1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

We'll probably scrape wins over Southampton and Leeds and call it 'progress'

Two teams who have already beaten us this season ... one of them convincingly ... 

If we even get two draws it will be "progress" of a sort LOL

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Did people actually think Jorginho was the weak link in our team? He's had some great performances for us over the years, Champions League final the biggest example

I know at least 1 that told me that as soon as he's gone we'll be winning the title and that the sole reason why we haven't done it is because of him so... Yea some did truly believe that.

13 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I find Klopp extremely unlikeable but I think he's one of those managers that you'd absolutely love if he managed your club and hate if he manages a rival.

He's a bit like the Anti Potter,  Graham is a manager you typically hate if he's at your club and there's never a shortage of rival fans imploring you to keep him.

Well that's always the case, but I don't want him at Chelsea. It would genuinely switch me off. 

He won't come anyway, he'd see us as beneath him. Because he's a prick

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

At least we all got the proof as soon as possible that it wasn't Jorginho holding us back. Our last 2 managers simply don't know how to make an attack working and with that you simply won't win the league ever.

Even big teams that win the league struggle to get it done against smaller teams at times but when they figure it out it's those wins that ultimately make all the difference between winning the title or being in the top 6 and we have been struggling to score against any given opponent so the fact that we're still around 10th place shows that the single most damaging decision that set us back for a lot of time was to stop counting on Diego Costa which was our last real striker that could lead the line.

Ever since D.Costa we haven't had a top striker, Morata is at his best as a super-sub, Michy not good enough, Giroud a super-sub, Tammy not good enough, Werner needed a partner and Lukaku tragically not the player we should have splashed the cash on.

I believe that Potter is essentially not the kind of manager that knows how to make a great attacking team so he would need to improve his own level and the level of his staff in order to solve this problem, it has been a big problem for us after all.

Been waiting.

Thanks @Gol15 for justifying my faith in you in fighting the fight to the end...and beyond.

If only this side were half as consistent as you....fantastic. 

Of course we're all coming back at you when Jorginho sucks the life out of the gooners. You just wait until the wheels fall off over there..oh no wait!

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Been waiting.

Thanks @Gol15 for justifying my faith in you in fighting the fight to the end...and beyond.

If only this side were half as consistent as you....fantastic. 

Of course we're all coming back at you when Jorginho sucks the life out of the gooners. You just wait until the wheels fall off over there..oh no wait!

My favourite moment was when Enzo played that sublime pass to Mount, the commentator said "Chelsea fans are used to that type of thing from Jorginho" 

12 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Been waiting.

Thanks @Gol15 for justifying my faith in you in fighting the fight to the end...and beyond.

If only this side were half as consistent as you....fantastic. 

Of course we're all coming back at you when Jorginho sucks the life out of the gooners. You just wait until the wheels fall off over there..oh no wait!

I listened to Arsenal on the radio while running errands.  While the whole team was off, I couldn't help but chuckle when the commentator said "its all gone a bit sideways for Arsenal today".

19 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Been waiting.

Thanks @Gol15 for justifying my faith in you in fighting the fight to the end...and beyond.

If only this side were half as consistent as you....fantastic. 

Of course we're all coming back at you when Jorginho sucks the life out of the gooners. You just wait until the wheels fall off over there..oh no wait!

Yes I have been consistent, I have been saying all along that our problem is our attack. And it still is, and it's not going away. Yes Jorginho plays for Arsenal and they just lost a match against Everton that has a new manager, must all be because of Jorginho, just like all of our own problems only exist because of Jorginho too! I get it, you just want the easy way out.

14 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

I listened to Arsenal on the radio while running errands.  While the whole team was off, I couldn't help but chuckle when the commentator said "its all gone a bit sideways for Arsenal today".

To be fair, I can see Everton becoming a nasty team to play against under Sean Dyche. They'll be like Burnley on steroids

38 minutes ago, coco said:

How many weeks ?

We have these fixtures over the next four weeks.

We should win 3 of those games minimum with these players, that would be enough to relieve the pressure.

Hmm:

 

West Ham- loss

Saints - draw

Leeds - draw

Dortmund- loss 

Spuds - loss

Dortmund- draw

29 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

My favourite moment was when Enzo played that sublime pass to Mount, the commentator said "Chelsea fans are used to that type of thing from Jorginho" 

It was nice hearing "jorginho gives it away too easily" and actually been able to laugh rather ger infuriated today...

I posted a few months back he’s David Moyes 2.0 and he hasn’t done anything to dispel that yet 

I saw this posted and thought it was interesting for context:

The most underperforming teams in PL are Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham.

Last 2 seasons, most games in Europe: 
1) CFC 122 games (!!) 
2) Liverpool 117

Since last season: 
1. CFC 
2. LFC 
3. City (slightly underwhelming by their standards) 
4. West Ham (2 EL long campaigns).

Less games played since last season?
Newcastle and Arsenal. The most overperforming teams in PL as opposed to preseason expectations.

Both Liverpool and Chelsea have quite literally played an extra half season than those teams. 
Both on their last legs.

Injuries:
Liverpool had 54 injuries in 20/21
Chelsea had 97 (!!) injuries in 21/22

This season:
Liverpool and Chelsea the most affected by injuries yet again.

My conclusion from this:

The past 2 seasons might have done irreparable damage to both these teams, and the reality is that some of their players are basically done.
Fabinho’s legs are gone at 29, VVD is mortal. Kante and Kovacic might never recover. Mount is exhausted.

Good post JM7

37 minutes ago, JM7 said:

I saw this posted and thought it was interesting for context:

The most underperforming teams in PL are Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham.

Last 2 seasons, most games in Europe: 
1) CFC 122 games (!!) 
2) Liverpool 117

Since last season: 
1. CFC 
2. LFC 
3. City (slightly underwhelming by their standards) 
4. West Ham (2 EL long campaigns).

Less games played since last season?
Newcastle and Arsenal. The most overperforming teams in PL as opposed to preseason expectations.

Both Liverpool and Chelsea have quite literally played an extra half season than those teams. 
Both on their last legs.

Injuries:
Liverpool had 54 injuries in 20/21
Chelsea had 97 (!!) injuries in 21/22

This season:
Liverpool and Chelsea the most affected by injuries yet again.

My conclusion from this:

The past 2 seasons might have done irreparable damage to both these teams, and the reality is that some of their players are basically done.
Fabinho’s legs are gone at 29, VVD is mortal. Kante and Kovacic might never recover. Mount is exhausted.

This makes a lot of sense seeing how both teams are performing now.

3 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Did people actually think Jorginho was the weak link in our team? He's had some great performances for us over the years, Champions League final the biggest example

No, not at all. He was UEFA Player of the Year. Nuff said. And then Lukaku. All 105 million euros of him. How Tuchel never managed to win the EPL, or even get us close, with those kind of resources I will never know. Maybe this year, with Aubameyang, it would have happened. I think so.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Jezq8 said:

I can’t see him leaving sadly at least not until the summer. And even that is being hopeful 

I thought that too until I saw Boehlys expression last night. Frustration and disappointment. 
 

More poor performances, particularly with everyone fit, I think it’ll happen. Maybe after Dortmund. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I thought that too until I saw Boehlys expression last night. Frustration and disappointment. 
 

More poor performances, particularly with everyone fit, I think it’ll happen. Maybe after Dortmund. 

Hmm no I don't think so.

I could be wrong but I believe Todd and the Eggman, while they make the final call, will be leaning heavily on their new boardroom teams advice. Aside from Paul Winstanley most of them only started over the past month or so, Stewart and Shields started at the end of January.

I believe these guys will want to get a feel for Potter, and I would not be surprised if they are given a remit to assess him/his staff and advise about his position in the summer.

7 hours ago, JM7 said:

I saw this posted and thought it was interesting for context:

The most underperforming teams in PL are Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham.

Last 2 seasons, most games in Europe: 
1) CFC 122 games (!!) 
2) Liverpool 117

Since last season: 
1. CFC 
2. LFC 
3. City (slightly underwhelming by their standards) 
4. West Ham (2 EL long campaigns).

Less games played since last season?
Newcastle and Arsenal. The most overperforming teams in PL as opposed to preseason expectations.

Both Liverpool and Chelsea have quite literally played an extra half season than those teams. 
Both on their last legs.

Injuries:
Liverpool had 54 injuries in 20/21
Chelsea had 97 (!!) injuries in 21/22

This season:
Liverpool and Chelsea the most affected by injuries yet again.

My conclusion from this:

The past 2 seasons might have done irreparable damage to both these teams, and the reality is that some of their players are basically done.
Fabinho’s legs are gone at 29, VVD is mortal. Kante and Kovacic might never recover. Mount is exhausted.

And UEFA and FIFA want MORE football. Crazy.

10 hours ago, just said:

Huh? Likeable in the same way as Jamie Carragher?

I like to listen to Klopp when he talk purely about tactic and what adjustments he did.  

But when he start talking about other stuff, he is just annoying 

Edited February 5, 20232 yr by Bob stark

If you want to understand what was wrong to us against Fulham. Just watch the first 20 second of this video. 

 

20 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Everton put a shift in. Could have done that under Lampard but couldn't be arsed.

Dyche won the tactical battle, against a team everybody has been trying to find weaknesses in; he’s a top coach and deserves all credit. The 451 mid block / temporary 442 when Zinchenko was trying to dictate things matched them up, Dyche had them organised, compact, clear instructions on the press, doubled up on wingers; their midfield was positionally disciplined throughout too. This comes from studying the opposition and game management. 

If they ‘couldn’t be arsed’ with Frank that is down to him as a coach as someone trying to relay ideas clearly and implementing them to resonate with the profiles available. 

 

44 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Dyche won the tactical battle, against a team everybody has been trying to find weaknesses in; he’s a top coach and deserves all credit. The 451 mid block / temporary 442 when Zinchenko was trying to dictate things matched them up, Dyche had them organised, compact, clear instructions on the press, doubled up on wingers; their midfield was positionally disciplined throughout too. This comes from studying the opposition and game management. 

If they ‘couldn’t be arsed’ with Frank that is down to him as a coach as someone trying to relay ideas clearly and implementing them to resonate with the profiles available. 

 

Lampard is not a good coach it’s that simple he hasn’t learnt anything from his days with US and repeated the same mistakes.

he needs to spend time in the lower leagues here/across Europe or be assistant to a top level coach.

15 hours ago, JM7 said:

I saw this posted and thought it was interesting for context:

The most underperforming teams in PL are Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham.

Last 2 seasons, most games in Europe: 
1) CFC 122 games (!!) 
2) Liverpool 117

Since last season: 
1. CFC 
2. LFC 
3. City (slightly underwhelming by their standards) 
4. West Ham (2 EL long campaigns).

Less games played since last season?
Newcastle and Arsenal. The most overperforming teams in PL as opposed to preseason expectations.

Both Liverpool and Chelsea have quite literally played an extra half season than those teams. 
Both on their last legs.

Injuries:
Liverpool had 54 injuries in 20/21
Chelsea had 97 (!!) injuries in 21/22

This season:
Liverpool and Chelsea the most affected by injuries yet again.

My conclusion from this:

The past 2 seasons might have done irreparable damage to both these teams, and the reality is that some of their players are basically done.
Fabinho’s legs are gone at 29, VVD is mortal. Kante and Kovacic might never recover. Mount is exhausted.

Interesting there’s definitely something to this but on Friday only Silva, Mount and Havertz could claim to be over played and Tiago Silva is playing like he’s as fresh as a daisy.  James just coming back from injury and a lot of new player’s doesn’t help, but I doubt they’re knackered and should be able to put a shift in.

7 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Interesting there’s definitely something to this but on Friday only Silva, Mount and Havertz could claim to be over played and Tiago Silva is playing like he’s as fresh as a daisy.  James just coming back from injury and a lot of new player’s doesn’t help, but I doubt they’re knackered and should be able to put a shift in.

Good points.

Also not fitting the narrative is that last season we only had one outfield player who started more than 41 games, and that was Rudiger ... who now plays for Real Madrid LOL.

And the season before that, there were only three starting more than 39 games ... Mount (48), Dave (41), and Werner (44) who is also no longer here of course.

Mount is most likely off the boil due to a combination of his relationship break up, and Potters' elite "coaching", the latter of course affecting 99% of the squad 🙂  

The other elephant in the room is the possible effects of long Covid or vaccine side effects. I know from personal experience that the Pfizer vaccine has issues, as even 15 months after I had that jab, it is still leaving me totally exhausted after a simple round of golf. Would not surprise me in the slightest if many of our squad have energy issues due to something similar going on with their physiology.