The daily news of 'there are no news on the Caicedo transfer' 😅 Just bid of Levia and get it over with. There are other viable options if we dig a bit deeper, even the players are a bit older and may not finish a 8 year contract.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Yeah, . There seems to be a lack of quality midfielders out there and we would need to overpay once again. 

It’s like every position, there are plenty of players but quality is by definition scarce. It’s just the same with defenders and even more so with strikers. 
 

Caicedo is young   Statistically the average premier league value is around 26 

“The main finding of the current study is that an aging trend has occurred in the last three decades in the Champions League. A significant increase in average players’ age (>1.6 years) was observed, rising from an age of 24.9 to 26.5 years. Goalkeepers and Center Backs tend to peak later than attackers, and their peak performance can last until an age of about 31 years.”
 

 that’s performance and for value

 

“peak value occurring in the 26–30 age range. These results are similar to those provided in other studies. For example, Anderson and Sally (2013) found that the peak value in the Premier League occurs at age 26. There is a substantial drop-off in the market value at the 31–35 age range. Finally, players over 35 have the lowest market value. In regard to playing position, attackers have a higher market value than defenders. That is, the closer the opponent penalty area, the higher the market value of the players, with forward having the highest market value.”

 

so if brighton and we judge Caicedo value well  and he is worth x$ now then he will be worth more in the future  

I guess Hudson Odoi is an exception, but put another way it’s less risky to buy a young player because there is a good chance their value will increase  overpaying for a lukaku age player is a disaster, expensive and only downside  

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 20232 yr by ozboy

So we could still sell eg havertz for a good price 

 

see study. 
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00076/full#:~:text=For example%2C Anderson and Sally,have the lowest market value.

Edited July 27, 20232 yr by ozboy

 

They can f**k off.

If we want a Dm destroyer, who doesn't score goals but has premier league experience, then buy Ndidi from leicester. £10m should get that done. 

I personally would go for Youseff fofanna  of Monaco, good player and half the price 

I am sure there is an alternative to Caicedo … we need to call Brighton’ bluff…

even javier pastore/ Andrea belotti/ Ross Barkley, delle alei.. we’re considered 100 mil players..

we need to give them a final offer and walk away.. no one is buying Caicedo.. and there maybe other options too in the market.. RM have 3-4 of them surely they will need to sell.

also Caicedo needs to do more.. if he wants to join us..

2 hours ago, Aussie79 said:

I personally would go for Youseff fofanna  of Monaco, good player and half the price 

It would have to be a big offer to get Monaco to sell. 

He's a great prospect. Already been called up to the National team a few times now

Move On, Don't Deal With Brighton Anymore, There's Other Options For Us To Get A DM

I’d be seriously looking at Alan varela, apparently looking to go to porto for 10-15 million euros. Seriously impressive in Argentina. Him and Enzo as a pivot would be very good. If he goes to porto it will be very similar to Enzo where he’ll get a big money move in a season or 2

4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

They can f**k off.

If we want a Dm destroyer, who doesn't score goals but has premier league experience, then buy Ndidi from leicester. £10m should get that done. 

Caicedo's way more than a pure destroyer. Brilliant on the ball as well so he's really the total package.
There are no great options left, Rice would have worked, Ugarte could have worked but they are both gone.

I see the shouts for Lavia but a Lavia-Enzo pivot would be comically bad defensively and physically and we'd be bullied. Especially with old man Silva behind them who needs protection.

With Pochettino insisting on Premier League experience which is no wonder really with how the squad currently looks then Caicedo's really the only option.

 

I bet if Man City had offered 80m they would have accepted it.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/amadou-onana/profil/spieler/485706

this would be the target I'd be looking at. Big unit. 

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

Caicedo's way more than a pure destroyer. Brilliant on the ball as well so he's really the total package.
There are no great options left, Rice would have worked, Ugarte could have worked but they are both gone.

I see the shouts for Lavia but a Lavia-Enzo pivot would be comically bad defensively and physically and we'd be bullied. Especially with old man Silva behind them who needs protection.

With Pochettino insisting on Premier League experience which is no wonder really with how the squad currently looks then Caicedo's really the only option.

 

Premier league experience is 1 full year in the premiership. Other options include Pallinha, varella, Redondo, onana, zubimendi, Lavia, kone, gourna and camera but I’m sure there’s more. Yes ugarte and rice have been snapped up but that doesn’t mean that Caicedo is the only option. For the 100 million we could get one of those players and one of Cherki, Olise or Kudos. 

5 hours ago, Jangz said:

I am sure there is an alternative to Caicedo … we need to call Brighton’ bluff…

even javier pastore/ Andrea belotti/ Ross Barkley, delle alei.. we’re considered 100 mil players..

we need to give them a final offer and walk away.. no one is buying Caicedo.. and there maybe other options too in the market.. RM have 3-4 of them surely they will need to sell.

also Caicedo needs to do more.. if he wants to join us..

But on the flipside Chelsea want Caicedo. Why would Chelsea give up on him if he's their no.1 target? People  can talk about price, but that's not Brighton's fault. They want to keep one of their best players. They've already sold MacAllister. Losing Caicedo is a big loss for them going into next season. We saw how much weaker they were without him in their midfield. Granted, they are still a capable team, but having an important player like that as glue in their midfield is the difference between competing for top 6/7 and falling down the table. Look at Leicester in their title winning season. Without Kante as that glue in midfield, would they have won the league? Prob not. 

It's all well and good as a supporter (not you personally, but fans on social media) of one of the bigger clubs to call Brighton fools etc for not accepting our bid. The fact is, the shoe was on the other foot and it came to someone like James, or even a few years ago, Kante, then we would want our club to take the same stance. Brighton are on the crest of a wave the past 2 seasons, they naturally want to continue that success, not regress. If we want him, and it seems he's our priority at the moment, then unfortunately we have to cough up one way or another. It's a lot of money, but it seems we have limited options to choose from and he's been our no.1 target for months. We already lost out on Ugarte, so losing out on another top target would be a blow.

Edited July 28, 20232 yr by enigma

If Mbappe turns down the Saudi switch, i would go for Marquinhos. PSG may well need to start selling off some players due to the hit they will get next year.

Marquinhos can play DM really well, is a really good CB covering for Fofana's absence, and is Brazilian so could help with the mentoring of the young Braazilian guys that we are signing.

This thing does remind me of the fofana saga last season except that Caicedo is not pushing as hard.  Hope it ends better. 

 

Reports coming in that Caicedo and his entourage are feeling a 'sense of disbelief' that Brighton spurned the £80m offer on the table.

£80m is a really good and reasonable offer in the view of most people, Chelsea fans and independents and pundits, etc.

So, drag this one to the final day and then sign him for £60m in January.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

But on the flipside Chelsea want Caicedo. Why would Chelsea give up on him if he's their no.1 target? People  can talk about price, but that's not Brighton's fault. They want to keep one of their best players. They've already sold MacAllister. Losing Caicedo is a big loss for them going into next season. We saw how much weaker they were without him in their midfield. Granted, they are still a capable team, but having an important player like that as glue in their midfield is the difference between competing for top 6/7 and falling down the table. Look at Leicester in their title winning season. Without Kante as that glue in midfield, would they have won the league? Prob not. 

It's all well and good as a supporter (not you personally, but fans on social media) of one of the bigger clubs to call Brighton fools etc for not accepting our bid. The fact is, the shoe was on the other foot and it came to someone like James, or even a few years ago, Kante, then we would want our club to take the same stance. Brighton are on the crest of a wave the past 2 seasons, they naturally want to continue that success, not regress. If we want him, and it seems he's our priority at the moment, then unfortunately we have to cough up one way or another. It's a lot of money, but it seems we have limited options to choose from and he's been our no.1 target for months. We already lost out on Ugarte, so losing out on another top target would be a blow.

I think if Brighton just said he's not for sale unless we get an offer we can't refuse similar to the Enzo saga then most of us would have no problem.  Difference is Brighton supposedly told Caicdeo he can leave, stupid agent or not they are screwing him over, and us in the process.   

Say we tell James he can leave in the summer, but when the summer comes we put a price tag on him that no sane club would pay, is that really allowing him to leave?  Its not a fair way to conduct business and Brighton while tough negotiators come across fair when selling players in the past (Mac Allister, Trossard, Bissouma etc).  I think most of us are just frustrated that we seemingly have just one target and the length of time this is dragging on for when its pretty apparent Brighton aren't selling.

Maybe they've had a change of heart/direction since January due to qualifying for Europe and told Moises he's not for sale.  Personally I still think Brighton/Bloom have some kind of grudge against Chelsea and if this was any other club he would have gone already for around £70 million.

On 11/07/2023 at 23:23, El regreso said:

If we pay another £100 million on the total package every club with a half-decent player will expect this.  If Brighton won't budge walk away!!!

 

 

 

On 19/07/2023 at 10:43, El regreso said:

Walk the f**k away we should not be paying anywhere near what they are asking for he messed up signing a extension that’s on him we should shift our resources to someone with a realistic price.

Brighton can get stuffed!!

 

On 20/07/2023 at 22:39, El regreso said:

Brighton will not back down from the £100 million and we would be wise not to pay it.

I suspect if Todd was still in charge we would be paying it but the new guys have said nah that’s that how we work anymore!!

Let me quote myself so I don’t have to type it all out again.

33 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

 

Reports coming in that Caicedo and his entourage are feeling a 'sense of disbelief' that Brighton spurned the £80m offer on the table.

£80m is a really good and reasonable offer in the view of most people, Chelsea fans and independents and pundits, etc.

So, drag this one to the final day and then sign him for £60m in January.

Including a buyout figure in his contract would have had to be a negotiated agreement between player and club. Perhaps because Brighton wanted a 'silly' number figure, perhaps for another reason, but it seems that there is no clause is in his deal. It was his choice to sign that deal anyway, so he has to live with that decision now.

17 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Including a buyout figure in his contract would have had to be a negotiated agreement between player and club. Perhaps because Brighton wanted a 'silly' number figure, perhaps for another reason, but it seems that there is no clause is in his deal. It was his choice to sign that deal anyway, so he has to live with that decision now.

Mac Allister and his agent managed it six months later and Mac Allister was, arguably, a bigger name.

We're not interested in Lavia it's just a ruse to spook Brighton. Just pay the money and get the player. We're still going to sell CHO, Ziyech and Lukaku to cover any additional funds.

Get him in the team and move on.

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

he has to live with that decision now.

Indeed.  Yes, he does. Brighton also have to live with it too. How disgruntled an employee will he be?  How much harmony will be in the Brighton dressing room?

IF players want to leave, clubs should let them go.  Chelsea will always let players go [ex.1. See Mason Mount].

Brighton are being unreasonable imho and so rather than walk away I would do the opposite and just start fcuking with that club big time.  Put in some bids for some of their other players, etc.