17 hours ago, Edjmendy said:

Wow we have become like Spurs...slowly. We definitely must win a trophy. A domestic one. No excuses 

You're telling me if we'd finished 4th in Conte's first season that would've been seen as a failure? I'm not saying we can't win anything, the squad is full of talent, but considering the quality of other teams at the top end of the league now, I think firmly getting ourselves back amongst the "Big Six"* again should be the priority

(I know that obviously we won the league that season, but I don't see another tactical switch like the 3 at the back with Moses in wingback that he switched to catching the entire league off guard ever again. There's more tactical variety throughout the league now.)

* Is Big Six even accurate anymore? Is it a Big Seven or Eight now?

10 hours ago, azpi28 said:

i never really disliked Pochettino even though he was the spurs manager

he is a Bielsa disciple 

as a manager he is charismatic, not so sure if he's capable of being an elite manager who wins trophies though

I just really dislike the dark shirt / dark tie combo. Hope he's moved past that phase in his life by now 😂

If Pochettino comes, would that influence Spit the Dog (Harry Kane) to come to the Chels?

Or is that just wishful thinking 

4 minutes ago, the real shed end said:

If Pochettino comes, would that influence Spit the Dog (Harry Kane) to come to the Chels?

Or is that just wishful thinking 

Personally I couldn't see that happening.
He might be ready to leave Spurs, but I can't imagine him pissing off their fanbase like Sol Campbell did. United or Bayern would be my guesses should he move club.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Not sure how he failed at PSG. He won three trophies with them in one and a half seasons. He spent half a season at PSG first time. Before Tuchel came to Chelsea his resume wasn't spectacular. Taking Spurs to a CL final is more impressive than taking PSG to a final in Europe tbh.

I have been a bit harsh on Pochettino in the past tbh, but reading more about him he is a good coach. People are blinkered by him being an ex spurs coach, but he did a better job with Tottenham, arguably than Jose and Conte, and they are top coaches. 

I won't elaborate too much as I want to be as optimistic as possible about Pochettino for our future. But PSG supporters couldn't stand his brand of football, bemoaned that he didn't use youngsters enough and that he used players in wrong positions, including old Messi as a traditional right winger which was never going to work. So there are some worries about that for me. Including quotes like this from journalists who follow that league

Pochettino has been at the club for a year, and the team is struggling to cohere. They cannot beat a press or build from the back. They have no circuits of passing. There is not enough movement; no triangles, no overlaps.

But again, hope he comes in and does amazingly well. But the league is different now compared to when he was here last.

18 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

I won't elaborate too much as I want to be as optimistic as possible about Pochettino for our future. But PSG supporters couldn't stand his brand of football, bemoaned that he didn't use youngsters enough and that he used players in wrong positions, including old Messi as a traditional right winger which was never going to work. So there are some worries about that for me. Including quotes like this from journalists who follow that league

Pochettino has been at the club for a year, and the team is struggling to cohere. They cannot beat a press or build from the back. They have no circuits of passing. There is not enough movement; no triangles, no overlaps.

But again, hope he comes in and does amazingly well. But the league is different now compared to when he was here last.

TBF that's more about PSG than Pochettino. Team of big egos that play for themselves rather than as a team, signing Messi, Donnarumma, Hakimi and Ramos just added to the problem that they already had with indivisuals like Neymar and Mbappe. 

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Immediate gutfeeling is that we will grow to regret that we appointed Pochettino over Nagelsmann. I actually think Pochettino is a good manager but he impressed in a very different era in the Premier League and I was surprised he failed that hard at PSG so hiring a manager who's not been convincing since 2018 is an obvious risk.

And one thing I already know is that his philosophy of slow build-up in possession will not be appreciated here but hopefully the results are good.

How can it be any slower than our sideways ,backward, sideways system we've played for the last few years.

Pochettino is still underwhelming signing. I don't disagree Tottenham was at their best with him but that isn't really saying much. 

Jose is always praising him which gives me a bit of confidence.

13 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

How can it be any slower than our sideways ,backward, sideways system we've played for the last few years.

I thought Jorginho left?

11 hours ago, Liam said:

From that article:

Everybody can tell or has told stories of Pochettino’s inclusivity, how he strives to make every member of staff – and not just the players – feel a part of the wider community at a club. Here is another. Bonfire Night 2017 at Spurs, and Pochettino gets everyone together for a barbecue; players and their families, staff and their families, too.

The person flipping the burgers on the grill wears a cap and regular clothes, head down as he concentrates, and nobody really notices him until they go for their food. When he looks up, they see it is Pochettino. He loves to put himself at the heart of things, to be hands-on, together with his assistants Jesús Pérez, Miguel D’Agostino, Toni Jiménez and Pochettino’s son Sebastiano; to watch academy games, to connect his club from the bottom up.

Jaysus.

Fat-faced, crappy-bearded, Sp*** reject, woke softy.  

No anaemic vegan like Tuchel though, flipping burgers, which is something to fall back on after his inevitable sacking. I like a man with a plan B!

38 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

TBF that's more about PSG than Pochettino. Team of big egos that play for themselves rather than as a team, signing Messi, Donnarumma, Hakimi and Ramos just added to the problem that they already had with indivisuals like Neymar and Mbappe. 

Absolutely more about PSG than Pochettino. Witness TT re PSG just before they sacked him:

“Am I still a manager or am I a politician in sport, a minister for sports?” Thomas Tuchel asked on the eve of his sacking by Paris Saint-Germain on Thursday. “At its heart, I love the game and I can get this satisfaction in many ways as a manager … I only love football. And in a club like this, it is not always just football.”

1 hour ago, cfr95 said:

I just really dislike the dark shirt / dark tie combo. Hope he's moved past that phase in his life by now 😂

maybe it's an Argentinian thing, Simeone also wears black on black

1 hour ago, cfr95 said:

You're telling me if we'd finished 4th in Conte's first season that would've been seen as a failure? I'm not saying we can't win anything, the squad is full of talent, but considering the quality of other teams at the top end of the league now, I think firmly getting ourselves back amongst the "Big Six"* again should be the priority

(I know that obviously we won the league that season, but I don't see another tactical switch like the 3 at the back with Moses in wingback that he switched to catching the entire league off guard ever again. There's more tactical variety throughout the league now.)

* Is Big Six even accurate anymore? Is it a Big Seven or Eight now?

At the time probably not but a 4th place finish followed by the sh*t he pulled the following season and I'd have absolutely seen his tenure as a failure.

With the way he manages he has to produce hard results.

Pochettino wasn't my choice at the start of this process.  In fairness I didn't have a string favourite being unsure how the likes of Nagelsmann and Enrique would adapt to the EPL, I would have been happy to go back to Ancellotti, but that always seemed unlikely.  However, over recent days from stuff I have heard (on radio/podcasts) and read I am warming to Pochettino as the next manager.  Spuds played their best football in living memory under Pochettino, and remember that in recent years those who have managed at both clubs have been much more successful at the blues 🤣

Last time we had an inclusive manager, which admittedly is long time ago, his name was Graham Potter. 

Roman's choice would have been: Pochettino or Nagelsmann.

I Don't think there is a very good choice of managers for our situation so I think Pochettino is the best one. 

 

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

maybe it's an Argentinian thing, Simeone also wears black on black

All young people wear black these days especially at football the so called ultras. When we played Palace in the semi-final last year Palace fans tweeted we're meeting I think it was Blackfriars all wear black presumably it's supposed to make them look menacing 🤣

 

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Considering half the forum thought Potter would be great and the other half thought Tuchel would he great for Bayern Munich I'm just of the opinion that none of us know anything about managers and in that case we should appoint the manager that will annoy Tottenham fans the most. 

Best if we sit on the fence then we can always be right whichever way it falls without some bright spark dredging up any of our historical quotes. 

Personally, even if he doesn't turn out to be the ultimate one for the longer term project, i think that he is probably the best bet to take us from where we are now to where we want to get to and then who knows.

I am hoping that he hasn't got dated and stale over time and his coaching methods get these players to peak fitness levels. I think most of these players have got the ability already. I am not too fussed at the moment about tactics formations, high press, slow build up. I just want a team that is fully fit, runs a lot, on and off the ball, and are trying to implement some form of pattern of play. We can get to the merits of the system being employed when we can all see a system emerging.

Clearly his biggest initial challenge isn't even going to be on the pitch. Its going to be about moving players out without taking too much of a bath on teh fees, because its not just about trimming the squad, the two areas that we need to recruit for are probably the most imprtant and difficult to cover in the market and wil need funding. If we go all in for say Diogo Costa and Osimhen, Vlahovic, Kane or Ramos, its going to cost dough i suspect.

 

1 minute ago, bluehaze said:

All young people wear black these days especially at football the so called ultras. When we played Palace in the semi-final last year Palace fans tweeted we're meeting I think it was Blackfriars all wear black presumably it's supposed to make them look menacing 🤣

 

antifa also think they are intimidating when wearing black, i think they are pathetic 

if you are though you don't need to dress a certain way 

2 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

antifa also think they are intimidating when wearing black, i think they are pathetic 

if you are though you don't need to dress a certain way 

I don't know, i think black can be pretty intimidating

Are we really going to be stuck with a bag of Porch from the outback? If todays headlines are correct, its going to be a dull, trophy less few years ahead - we may just get back to celebrating top four like a gooner or spud... Colours to the mast, don't want this scummer near the club. 

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

I won't elaborate too much as I want to be as optimistic as possible about Pochettino for our future. But PSG supporters couldn't stand his brand of football, bemoaned that he didn't use youngsters enough and that he used players in wrong positions, including old Messi as a traditional right winger which was never going to work. So there are some worries about that for me. Including quotes like this from journalists who follow that league

Pochettino has been at the club for a year, and the team is struggling to cohere. They cannot beat a press or build from the back. They have no circuits of passing. There is not enough movement; no triangles, no overlaps.

But again, hope he comes in and does amazingly well. But the league is different now compared to when he was here last.

Strangely enough I saw a Tuchel thread on reddit when we appointed him where multiple PSG fans said near enough the exact same thing.

I couldn't find that particular thread but on the link below there's a comment from @Imran_CFCthat says one of his work colleagues didn't have a positive thing to say about him.

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/34625-official-thomas-tuchel-now-sacked/page/4/#comments

PSG are just a 'unique' club and Pochettino wasn't a great fit given his pressing style and use of younger players. That said I don't think his style at Spurs was athestically pleasing as people make out, brutally good at forcing opposition mistakes but were known to struggle against stubborn buses at times.

He turned Walker and Rose into the best fullback pairing in football however (if not the best outright in their positions) so a exciting very thought if he can repeat the trick with James and Chilwell who start at a much higher point as to what the former two did when Pochettino inherited them.

32 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Are we really going to be stuck with a bag of Porch from the outback? If todays headlines are correct, its going to be a dull, trophy less few years ahead - we may just get back to celebrating top four like a gooner or spud... Colours to the mast, don't want this scummer near the club. 

Hey @Munkwortha post after your own heart! After enduring this season now we are set to have an ex Southampton and Spurs manager, clearly you have been a very naughty cat...

At PSG nobody will be truly successful, all those mega egos, and owners who want to buy the best and see them on the field together. For many years that approach worked for Real Madrid, and to an extent with us. Because the players wanted to play for them and us, now it's more of who pays the most. But everyone else improved a lot, so there is much more competition. Pottchetino may not be the long term answer. But for the here and now, i feel he is likely the best at the moment. If he can instill a proper team spirit, and develop the younger players, as his track record would suggest. then i feel that's all we can really ask for.

Pochettino's 4 man recruitment wish list? Emilio Martinez, Declan Rice, James Ward-Prowse and Dusan Vhlaovic.

Edited April 25, 20233 yr by axman2526

10 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Don Hutchison, who made 220 Premier League appearances for five clubs, thinks Chelsea should be considering Brighton boss Roberto di Zerbi.

"I don't think he [Boehly] should look any further than Roberto di Zerbi," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"Brighton gave them an absolute footballing lesson last week. Chelsea have gone soft and I've never associated that with them.

"Chelsea fans and Todd Boehly might be thinking 'we can't go back to Brighton again' after what happened with Graham Potter but actually be courageous, if you have to go back to Brighton to get the right man then be courageous and put your neck on the line and get the best manager for the job.

"If you bring De Zerbi in, give him money, give him licence to bring players in, but also choose the 12-15 that go out the door."

 

He's spot on there.

Quite a sensational headline but we’ll be seeing more and more reputable accounts using similar over the coming seasons.