I know they seem to want a young up and coming manager to lead this young up and coming project, but surely you need some experience somewhere? Who better to lead a bunch of youngsters than an experienced manager who has seen it all? Not someone who is going to be learning as much as the players.

31 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I know they seem to want a young up and coming manager to lead this young up and coming project, but surely you need some experience somewhere? Who better to lead a bunch of youngsters than an experienced manager who has seen it all? Not someone who is going to be learning as much as the players.

To be honest there isn't many managers around with that sort of pedigree. Most of the managers that would fit that criteria we've already had. Conte, Jose, Ancelotti and Tuchel for the bill but I can't see us wanting to bring any back. Aside from them there's Allegri, Emery, Simone Inzaghi, Simeone, Zidane, Luis Enrique  and to be honest I'm not overly keen on bringing any of them in.

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I don't see anything special about De Zerbi. In fact I don't even believe that we should be looking at a PL manager right now.

Michel looks like the perfect person for the job, Girona might not have the depth to win La-Liga but he made a good team;

His highest valued player is from Brazil that has 7 goals and 7 assists so far in 26 matches which is great for a 19 year old that is on loan, it shows that he can coach younger players and make it work fast.

Also his top buy was his striker, he signed Dovbyk for peanuts and so far he scored 14 goals in 24 appearances and made 5 assists.

Michel has managed borderline relegation teams but he's clearly a good manager that would be a great candidate for our squad.

 

There’s no forsure candidate. They’re all risky. 

5 hours ago, Zeta said:

I know they seem to want a young up and coming manager to lead this young up and coming project, but surely you need some experience somewhere? Who better to lead a bunch of youngsters than an experienced manager who has seen it all? Not someone who is going to be learning as much as the players.

I think we kinda have to. We need a manager who is willing to work with young player. It is difficult to find established manager who is willing to do this. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I think we kinda have to. We need a manager who is willing to work with young player. It is difficult to find established manager who is willing to do this. 

I agree with that, but next season the players will be a lot more developed. A long premier league season toughens you up fairly well I imagine. And physique will have improved.

 

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

In fact I don't even believe that we should be looking at a PL manager right now.

Other than that I think you need to speak reasonable english so as you can manage the media, and you do have to manage the media, then I agree. It's a big world. Talented new managers, not burned out, will surely emerge. We need to identify one. I also would hate to see us go for De Zerbi. We have done enough with Brighton, wouldn't even care if Klopp was their current manager. Still wouldn't go there.

There are also international team managers.

11 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

342 appearances in his career now, mainly in the lower levels of the game of course, and bizarrely just the 1 career goal ... makes John Obi Mikel look positively prolific LOL

He really did look the business in those handful of early appearances under Carlo.

He still makes a living out of football, the majority of players in any academy at 15 or so can't say the same. It's just in Josh's case expectations from the supporters were very high. In hindsight too high.

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

He still makes a living out of football, the majority of players in any academy at 15 or so can't say the same. It's just in Josh's case expectations from the supporters were very high. In hindsight too high.

Disagree, I still stand by my opinion at the time that we shouldn't sign Modrić because it would block McEachran's path to the first team.

Watching Arsenal today was depressing.

Arsenal, City and Liverpool are lightyears ahead of us. Lightyears. I predict we won't even compete for the title for at least another 4 seasons let alone win it. It'll be 12-13 years between our last premier league title and the next one. Forget about the champions league.

We've swapped places with Arsenal and we're now in our dark period. Osimhen or another manager isn't going to change any of that.

15 minutes ago, I am a CPA said:

Watching Arsenal today was depressing.

Arsenal, City and Liverpool are lightyears ahead of us. Lightyears. I predict we won't even compete for the title for at least another 4 seasons let alone win it. It'll be 12-13 years between our last premier league title and the next one. Forget about the champions league.

We've swapped places with Arsenal and we're now in our dark period. Osimhen or another manager isn't going to change any of that.

Arsenal 3-1 Chelsea: Gunners end winless run in Premier League - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55373755

This was only 3 years ago. 

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Arsenal 3-1 Chelsea: Gunners end winless run in Premier League - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55373755

This was only 3 years ago. 

Yep, like I said, another 4 seasons to compete for the title if we're following that trajectory.

10 minutes ago, I am a CPA said:

Yep, like I said, another 4 seasons to compete for the title if we're following that trajectory.

They completed for the title last year! 2 years after that game they were top of the table. 

With a decent coach and 2 signings we could be competing for the title next year. But definitely within 2. 

34 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

With a decent coach and 2 signings we could be competing for the title next year.

I love your optimism but I think you might be setting yourself up for a rough time next year.

2 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Disagree, I still stand by my opinion at the time that we shouldn't sign Modrić because it would block McEachran's path to the first team.

10/10 for the new profile pic btw ... always had a thing for Sherilynn Fenn back in the day. Never been able to look at a cherry in quite the same way since Twin Peaks ... :-) 

Two Moon Junction too ... yum yum LOL

 

Difference between Chelsea and Arsenal, we're entering the cycle they've and united have been in for 10 years. They had Emry and then spent 3 seasons backing Arteta. Look how that has worked out for them. It took pep 12 months to work his magic at city, and longer for Klopp... United hired some of the best names including Jose and couldn't clean the S**t off the shovel. 

Chelsea fans at the start of the season = give Poch two years to sort this mess out, will play youth, must give them time... 

Chelsea fans mid season = club clueless, players S**T, Poch the worst manager ever, life is S**t. who can we replace his with!!! 

 

 

1 minute ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Difference between Chelsea and Arsenal, we're entering the cycle they've and united have been in for 10 years. They had Emry and then spent 3 seasons backing Arteta. Look how that has worked out for them. It took pep 12 months to work his magic at city, and longer for Klopp... United hired some of the best names including Jose and couldn't clean the S**t off the shovel. 

The other thing to note is both Pep and Arteta had the skeleton of a good side already in place, established and settled players in a squad that needed fine tuning. Funnily enough the only thing Arsenal have won under Arteta came before he shipped out a lot of their veteran players (Aubameyang, Lacazette, Xhaka etc). We've instead almost completely replaced our entire squad.

Also on Jose, he did manage United's best points tally since SAF left, and a European trophy. If I remember correctly, he asked for five signings after the season they came 2nd so he could kick on but got none of them. For all the noise around him being bad with kids I personally think not many know how to build a squad quite like he does.

7 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Difference between Chelsea and Arsenal, we're entering the cycle they've and united have been in for 10 years. They had Emry and then spent 3 seasons backing Arteta. Look how that has worked out for them. It took pep 12 months to work his magic at city, and longer for Klopp... United hired some of the best names including Jose and couldn't clean the S**t off the shovel. 

Chelsea fans at the start of the season = give Poch two years to sort this mess out, will play youth, must give them time... 

Chelsea fans mid season = club clueless, players S**T, Poch the worst manager ever, life is S**t. who can we replace his with!!! 

 

 

I do appreciate your backing of Poch, you have a lot more patience than most, but the position Poch has us in is WAY worse than anything United or Arsenal have had to deal with. Jose, Emery, Klopp and Pep were never 11th and then putting out a defensive team against a team near the relegation zone.
 

The backing of Poch was always dependant on progress and he has us on roughly the same points as we had last season with no signs of improvement. A run to the Carabao Cup final where we lost a game against an injury hit Championship team and then suffered one of the most embarrassing losses since I've been a Chelsea fan in the cup final isn't progress.

I am happy to back a manager for the long project. I have said that for the last 10-15 years. I am happy to stick with someone and give them time. However, as I have always said - it has to be the right person. If we'd given Avram Grant 5 years, or Scolari 5 years, or AVB 5 years, would we have been successful? Probably not. Long term project is pointless if the person leading it is wrong. I don't think this manager is the right person for it.

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

I do appreciate your backing of Poch, you have a lot more patience than most, but the position Poch has us in is WAY worse than anything United or Arsenal have had to deal with. Jose, Emery, Klopp and Pep were never 11th and then putting out a defensive team against a team near the relegation zone.
 

The backing of Poch was always dependant on progress and he has us on roughly the same points as we had last season with no signs of improvement. A run to the Carabao Cup final where we lost a game against an injury hit Championship team and then suffered one of the most embarrassing losses since I've been a Chelsea fan in the cup final isn't progress.

Mate, We're not even giving managers more than six months. I just dont get how a new manager every six months works when you do need just a grain of stability for ideas and tactics to develop. 

We've been absolutely spoiled with the names of the best managers to have graced the game coming and going from CFC. right now, I think we've exhausted most options. 

I dont know who is better than poch who will come and work with the constraints imposed on the manager here currently or do a better job. 

Someone said it above. Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool chased the golden goose for over 15 years. MU is still doing it and Arsenal haven't really won anything major but they are close. Pochettino was very close before we ruined their party at the Battle of the Bridge. We also ruined Liverpool's party at Anfield when they had a potent side. 

Liverpool got to the level with Klopp and with intelligent recruiting. 

Arsenal is close there under Arteta who is basically mini-Pep. 

We can't just buy ourselves out of the troubles. FFP and the massive competiton did it. We need to be smart in every decision and also be very lucky. 

Pochettino's role in all this is much more insignificant at this point in time for me. Let Enzo play 200 games in England and face mist teams multiple times. After that we can actually start seeing whether he is anything close to his price tag. 

I trust Pochettino to build us an identity and he is good with young people.

Lots of rumours that it’s between Aniroum (Sporting) and De Zerbi. Winstanley is pushing for De Zerbi. It kind of makes sense and it seems that the clubs anmbition is  to be Brighton 2.0. 
 

I would rather go with Aniroum because he has at least won something. Brighton even made Potter look good. 

42 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Difference between Chelsea and Arsenal, we're entering the cycle they've and united have been in for 10 years. They had Emry and then spent 3 seasons backing Arteta. Look how that has worked out for them. It took pep 12 months to work his magic at city, and longer for Klopp... United hired some of the best names including Jose and couldn't clean the S**t off the shovel. 

Chelsea fans at the start of the season = give Poch two years to sort this mess out, will play youth, must give them time... 

Chelsea fans mid season = club clueless, players S**T, Poch the worst manager ever, life is S**t. who can we replace his with!!! 

 

 

Arsenal when they beat us on boxing day 2020 had one player playing who is now in their team. Saka. The team is completely transformed in 2 years and if it wasn't for City they would win the league.

We have a better team now than they did when they beat us. Poch still has until the end of the season. Maybe we win the FA cup and suddenly next year looks brighter with a couple of changes to the forward line. 

What we've needed since Hazard left is a player who can win us games on his own. 

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Lots of rumours that it’s between Aniroum (Sporting) and De Zerbi. Winstanley is pushing for De Zerbi. It kind of makes sense and it seems that the clubs anmbition is  to be Brighton 2.0. 
 

I would rather go with Aniroum because he has at least won something. Brighton even made Potter look good. 

I'm pretty certain that either de zerbi turns us down. Or he joins and he's sh*t. I've got no enthusiasm for us chasing him at all. 

Amorin I have doubts on as well. The more I think about it the more I'd rather we back and then struggle with Poch (or succeed) for another season and then we go for a new manager. There's too many clubs looking for a new coach this year that we will either f**k it up or end up with Poch with no credibility with the players. 

I think it is now more likely he goes in the Summer.

He has had to deal with a number of injuries in the squad  as we all know and I also think he has been brave by dropping Silva and then trying to find a niche to fit Mudryk in as the No.10.

He also put Pamer and put him straight in, he could have prioritised the others suggesting he does recognise talent and has moved him around a bit to try to find his best position.

I just think he might be good in the longer term yet the reaction of the home crowd will not give him time and that will determine the situation. 

If the likes of James, Nkunku, Cucu, Chukwu, Ugoch, Lavia, Badiashile are either finished or just down to being fit for a handful of games a season and with FFP as it is we could be heading for stormy waters with Poch or with another.