40 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Stop the “jumping off a cliff” football. The perfect illustration of this was the first leg against Roma they were getting carved open time after time and what does he do keep playing the same way. You need to recognise when it’s not your day and not get battered shut up shop.
He continued with high pressure passing out from the back game and continued to get caught out.

So pretty much like Pisstercockloo as Just would say 😂. 

I just don't see the appeal in a manger that's worse than our current in football status and achievement. 

His posttion is lower than us yet we see him as a viable option? Yes worse players, but that's debatable as sometimes the level of experience a squad has can make up a shortfall in quality to an extent and the Brighton team has a lot more experienced heads than us. 

Also he's a bit too abrasive for my liking. The arrogance goes with the territory of winners like Klopp, Mourinho and maybe to an extent Pep but when you've got zilch in your trophy cupboard but a puffy head as he does, it just comes off in a bad way. 

No matter how bad we have been under Poch I absolutely will take him over RDZ. 

15 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I rewatch the game a bit to get that screenshot.

 

Cucurella also benefit because as dm he has less responsibility offensively. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe less reponsibility but actually he is still getting forward as much or maybe more  than when he was a touchline hugger and as often as say caicedo.

Tuchel had the full backs  come inside as well but that was strictly as attackers, Cucu is just doing it from deeper and with a different purpose. It is interesting and has coincided with the team doing better, but my point is cucu is still getting forward aiming to make forward attacking passes. 

12 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

All the best managers adapt, even Pep. 

De Zerbi never does. In the same school of thought as Bielsa. 

I watched  Guardiola team in his 1st season got smashed by Everton because he insisted on playing crazy tippy tappy ball with two slow fb. 

Defend deep, long ball to Lukaku on the RW and it was chances after chances 

He adapted by spending 130m on fb in the summer and suddenly his system just magically works. 

 

 

 

Edited May 8, 20242 yr by Bob stark

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

No matter how bad we have been under Poch I absolutely will take him over RDZ. 

Other than Conte (lasted 1 season 😁😁), it is hard for top player to accept playing circuit ball. 

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

Maybe less reponsibility but actually he is still getting forward as much or maybe more  than when he was a touchline hugger and as often as say caicedo.

Tuchel had the full backs  come inside as well but that was strictly as attackers, Cucu is just doing it from deeper and with a different purpose. It is interesting and has coincided with the team doing better, but my point is cucu is still getting forward aiming to make forward attacking passes. 

https://mclachapp.streamlit.app/Match_Analysis

His passing to/in the final 3rd has almost  completely gone after villa game. 

Im personally 50/50 on poch. If we are incosistent in the next few games then I say he goes but if he strings up positive results in our remaining games id let him stay for atleast one more season.

Chelsea’s end of season review meeting members will include Todd Boehly, Behdad Egbhali, Laurence Stewart and Paul Winstanley. Together, they will decide Pochettino’s fate, who wants the injury crisis to be taken into account if he is deemed to have underperformed. (@NizaarKinsella) #CFC

9 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea’s end of season review meeting members will include Todd Boehly, Behdad Egbhali, Laurence Stewart and Paul Winstanley. Together, they will decide Pochettino’s fate, who wants the injury crisis to be taken into account if he is deemed to have underperformed. (@NizaarKinsella) #CFC

This bollocks about the injury crisis has to stop.

Yes, we have had horrible injuries, but that cannot mean that hat he downs tools and stops implementing an identity and style on the remaining squad.

He should still have done better in developing the squad style and play - and have done poorly - even when taking into account the injuries. 

Yes - I can accept that the results may have suffered because of injuries

Yes - I can accept that our preferred first team regulars may not have been integrated or successful because of injuries

But No - I don't accept that because of injuries it has been impossible to progress the rest of the squad, install a system, spirit and identity of how we play. -(even if it doesn't translate to immediate results)

He should be judged on his progress. And frankly - I think it is a flip of a coin that could go either way on if he has shown us enough glimmers of progress to justify his continued role. 

On balance, I would probably say yes...just. But not by much, and i don't think he can feel too hard done by if sacked 

 

 

Yeah if anything, the injuries excuse will actually work against him if we finish the season looking far better simply because of the tactical change. 

Saw this (not mine)

Positives this season:

1. Chelsea are now 7th in the LEAGUE!!!  That's already in European spots and we could go higher with Newcastle having to player Man United. Far far better than last season 

2. Chelsea has gone unbeaten at Home [Stamford Bridge] against the Big 6 this season. Yes no top 6 team has beaten us at home this season. Still co

3. So far Chelsea have played 18 home games and despite our terrible season, we've only lost 4. Just 4 teams have a better home record than us and they are the top 4 with Newcastle joint 

4. Last season, Chelsea ended the campaign with 44 points total, this season we are now at 54 points total with 3 games still left to go. 

5. Last season Chelsea scored a total of 38 goals and this season we've scored 69 goals, with 3 games to go, WE HAVE DOUBLED THE TALLY

6. Last season we had Kai Havertz as our PL highest goal scorer with 7 PL goals, this season we have Cole Palmer in contention for the Golden Boot with 21 goals, Jackson at 13 PL goals, Sterling at 6

7. In the last 18 home games across all competitions our record has been - 14 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss. (1 win on penalties). STAMFORD BRIDGE IS A FORTRESS AGAIN !!!

8. Last season, we finished 12th with a -9 goal difference far away from European spots, this season we are now 7th in European spot and 2 points away from Europa spot with 3 games to go still. 

What more? We are doing it with injuries having robbed us of our very best players. It may be slow and not as rapid but you cannot tell me we are not improving.

Todd Boehly: “We’ve seen the last two and a half games, at least in the second half at Aston Villa (2-2 draw) and Tottenham (2-0 win) and West Ham (5-0 win) where we played just beautiful football.

It was so fluid, it was exactly the way we drew it up, when we came out of the back, built up and we moved up the pitch, very organised and the number of shots we had on board. In those two and a half games, you could really start to see what we were working on coming together."

3 games ago Todd would have had every right to give Poch his marching orders.

Could be too little too late but with the way we're playing and dominating games now i think we'd be daft to let Poch go and start from scratch again in Summer. Poch only has 1 year left from Summer, doesn't he? Logical to let him start next season with the squad should the form carry on for the remaining 3 games.

20 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

This bollocks about the injury crisis has to stop.

Yes, we have had horrible injuries, but that cannot mean that hat he downs tools and stops implementing an identity and style on the remaining squad.

He should still have done better in developing the squad style and play - and have done poorly - even when taking into account the injuries. 

Yes - I can accept that the results may have suffered because of injuries

Yes - I can accept that our preferred first team regulars may not have been integrated or successful because of injuries

But No - I don't accept that because of injuries it has been impossible to progress the rest of the squad, install a system, spirit and identity of how we play. -(even if it doesn't translate to immediate results)

He should be judged on his progress. And frankly - I think it is a flip of a coin that could go either way on if he has shown us enough glimmers of progress to justify his continued role. 

On balance, I would probably say yes...just. But not by much, and i don't think he can feel too hard done by if sacked 

 

 

I get the point you are trying to make, but installing a spirit, identity and system is definitely affected by lots of injuries. How are players meant to get used to a system and players around them if either they or the other players are out for weeks and months at a time?

And I would argue that despite the injury situation, one thing he has been able to do is install a team spirit, and the identity and system are begining to show. 

Yes it COULD have been quicker. But look who is around us points wise. A spurs side tipped for the title in the early months of the season, a newcastle side still trying to kick on under new ownership and United (who are sh*te but should arguably be on about half of the points we are). We've made a cup final, a semi final and still have a somewhat realistic chance of a half decent European place for next year.

There is a world that isn't a million miles away where Villa and Liverpool fall down to a similar level to where we are next year (Villa with Europe distraction and Pool with a sh*te manager) and we have a solid foundation to build on for the first time since Tuchel left to potentially be one of the teams to replace them. 

I don't believe Poch is the man to win us the league, i doubt he is the man to win a cup at all. But where we are right now, we just need to be back in the top 4, sorting out the squad mess the owners have put us in and getting to point where we can begin to compete.

So my question to anyone who thinks that Poch should go, is not why, but who replaces him. If even one name can be provided that is both realistic and a guarenteed upgrade on Poch, then im all for it. But if there are any doubts that the name cannot at least match what we have done this season, then whats the point?

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Todd Boehly: “We’ve seen the last two and a half games, at least in the second half at Aston Villa (2-2 draw) and Tottenham (2-0 win) and West Ham (5-0 win) where we played just beautiful football.

It was so fluid, it was exactly the way we drew it up, when we came out of the back, built up and we moved up the pitch, very organised and the number of shots we had on board. In those two and a half games, you could really start to see what we were working on coming together."

It sure sounds like we are keeping Poch going forward if those comments are anything to go by!

2 minutes ago, Mod said:

It sure sounds like we are keeping Poch going forward if those comments are anything to go by!

Yeah MoP0 shall be with us another season. Not sure which available manager would be any better at this point. A Tuchel return? Cannot see the Todd going for that.

7 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

I get the point you are trying to make, but installing a spirit, identity and system is definitely affected by lots of injuries. How are players meant to get used to a system and players around them if either they or the other players are out for weeks and months at a time?

And I would argue that despite the injury situation, one thing he has been able to do is install a team spirit, and the identity and system are begining to show. 

Yes it COULD have been quicker. But look who is around us points wise. A spurs side tipped for the title in the early months of the season, a newcastle side still trying to kick on under new ownership and United (who are sh*te but should arguably be on about half of the points we are). We've made a cup final, a semi final and still have a somewhat realistic chance of a half decent European place for next year.

There is a world that isn't a million miles away where Villa and Liverpool fall down to a similar level to where we are next year (Villa with Europe distraction and Pool with a sh*te manager) and we have a solid foundation to build on for the first time since Tuchel left to potentially be one of the teams to replace them. 

I don't believe Poch is the man to win us the league, i doubt he is the man to win a cup at all. But where we are right now, we just need to be back in the top 4, sorting out the squad mess the owners have put us in and getting to point where we can begin to compete.

So my question to anyone who thinks that Poch should go, is not why, but who replaces him. If even one name can be provided that is both realistic and a guarenteed upgrade on Poch, then im all for it. But if there are any doubts that the name cannot at least match what we have done this season, then whats the point?

Great post. You have encapsulated similar views I've expressed in a much more eloquent manner. 

This is the basis of what any rational assessment for end of season performance review will be around because whatever targets or objectives were set, will need to be given wiggle room as there have been extenuating circumstances. 

During our "glory" years, an injury to Drogba, Lampard, Terry or later on Hazard and mind you not even all at once just individually would have us feeling frustrated and feeling like it would hamper our achievements and rightly so. We have had most of our first team squad injured with key members in every area of the park out. 

We tend to consider the team performances in light of the Arsenal 5-0 thumping and being disappointed at not breaking into where we are now, when we should have, as had a few frustrating performances where we expected to grab 9 points (some may argue 6) but only took 5, and I mean Burnley, Man U and Sheffield Utd games. Other than those we have only lost since February to Liverpool in League Cup final, City FA Cup final and Arsenal as mentioned above. 

It very much seems most of us are coming from an emotional place, and that's typical of fans nothing wrong with it, but let's step back for a second, take emotions out of it and assess things across a wider time spectrum and consideration of all facts. 

On 06/05/2024 at 09:46, just said:

They are going backwards faster than an Italian tank under Pisstercockloo. Another drubbing yesterday. This is from the BBC match report:

"Tottenham's abject display for the first hour raised the prospect of humiliation at Anfield, and while they salvaged a sliver of pride with a Richarlison-inspired closing 20 minutes this was another day of disappointment for Postecoglou and his players.

As on so many occasions this season, Postecoglou's attacking approach left Spurs conceding too many chances and Liverpool followed recent opponents such as Newcastle United, Arsenal and Chelsea in taking full advantage."

His pub team tactics are taking them to a new level of Spursyness. Hope he is there next season.

I largely agree, most of all with the last sentence. I was at the game at their place, sat with their fans but upper tier behind the goal, and had an amazing view of the tactics on display. It was suicide, and had they done that against a team flying higher than we were at the time, it could have been 8-0. That said, my point is it's one season; they lost Kane and might finish 5th. This is not a bad return when you consider where we are and United. Historically, that 4th spot tends to come down to who can mess it up the least.

I do fully expect to be above them next season, but then again, I thought we would be looking at top 4 this year, so what do I know?

If he sticks to this system then I'm for Poch staying, but I don't trust him to stick to the system given that we switched away from the good set up we had in pre season. So 50/50 at the moment.

7 hours ago, JM7 said:

Todd Boehly: “We’ve seen the last two and a half games, at least in the second half at Aston Villa (2-2 draw) and Tottenham (2-0 win) and West Ham (5-0 win) where we played just beautiful football.

It was so fluid, it was exactly the way we drew it up, when we came out of the back, built up and we moved up the pitch, very organised and the number of shots we had on board. In those two and a half games, you could really start to see what we were working on coming together."

Sounds like people on this forum, we'll ignore the rest of the season but the last 2 and a half games 👌

5 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

I get the point you are trying to make, but installing a spirit, identity and system is definitely affected by lots of injuries. How are players meant to get used to a system and players around them if either they or the other players are out for weeks and months at a time?

And I would argue that despite the injury situation, one thing he has been able to do is install a team spirit, and the identity and system are begining to show. 

Yes it COULD have been quicker. But look who is around us points wise. A spurs side tipped for the title in the early months of the season, a newcastle side still trying to kick on under new ownership and United (who are sh*te but should arguably be on about half of the points we are). We've made a cup final, a semi final and still have a somewhat realistic chance of a half decent European place for next year.

There is a world that isn't a million miles away where Villa and Liverpool fall down to a similar level to where we are next year (Villa with Europe distraction and Pool with a sh*te manager) and we have a solid foundation to build on for the first time since Tuchel left to potentially be one of the teams to replace them. 

I don't believe Poch is the man to win us the league, i doubt he is the man to win a cup at all. But where we are right now, we just need to be back in the top 4, sorting out the squad mess the owners have put us in and getting to point where we can begin to compete.

So my question to anyone who thinks that Poch should go, is not why, but who replaces him. If even one name can be provided that is both realistic and a guarenteed upgrade on Poch, then im all for it. But if there are any doubts that the name cannot at least match what we have done this season, then whats the point?

Yeah - good points well made, and ultimately I think that the lack of a genuine alternative manager may be a big factor in him staying, alongside the cost of paying him off, and likely the cost of releasing any potential replacement fro, their current contract (assuming they are currently employed).

I have been consistent from the start that Poch should not be judged this season on results, but on progress. I think we have had snippets of progress at times, not least in the last couple of games - and there have been other bits through the season as well. Unfortunately, this progress has been undone quite often by a lack of progress elsewhere, not least his inability to coach a team that can defend a cross, and our general lack of spine.

I am not convinced - but as previously stated, if it was my decision, I would probably keep him on, by the skin of his teeth....

 

51 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

If he sticks to this system then I'm for Poch staying, but I don't trust him to stick to the system given that we switched away from the good set up we had in pre season. So 50/50 at the moment.

Its the lack of options why people want him to stay. 

Like you I am not expecting him to adapt to adversities the way top managers should. 

7 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

I get the point you are trying to make, but installing a spirit, identity and system is definitely affected by lots of injuries. How are players meant to get used to a system and players around them if either they or the other players are out for weeks and months at a time?

And I would argue that despite the injury situation, one thing he has been able to do is install a team spirit, and the identity and system are begining to show. 

Yes it COULD have been quicker. But look who is around us points wise. A spurs side tipped for the title in the early months of the season, a newcastle side still trying to kick on under new ownership and United (who are sh*te but should arguably be on about half of the points we are). We've made a cup final, a semi final and still have a somewhat realistic chance of a half decent European place for next year.

There is a world that isn't a million miles away where Villa and Liverpool fall down to a similar level to where we are next year (Villa with Europe distraction and Pool with a sh*te manager) and we have a solid foundation to build on for the first time since Tuchel left to potentially be one of the teams to replace them. 

I don't believe Poch is the man to win us the league, i doubt he is the man to win a cup at all. But where we are right now, we just need to be back in the top 4, sorting out the squad mess the owners have put us in and getting to point where we can begin to compete.

So my question to anyone who thinks that Poch should go, is not why, but who replaces him. If even one name can be provided that is both realistic and a guarenteed upgrade on Poch, then im all for it. But if there are any doubts that the name cannot at least match what we have done this season, then whats the point?

Perfect post, can’t add more just wanted to highlight it. 

8 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

I get the point you are trying to make, but installing a spirit, identity and system is definitely affected by lots of injuries. How are players meant to get used to a system and players around them if either they or the other players are out for weeks and months at a time?

And I would argue that despite the injury situation, one thing he has been able to do is install a team spirit, and the identity and system are begining to show. 

Yes it COULD have been quicker. But look who is around us points wise. A spurs side tipped for the title in the early months of the season, a newcastle side still trying to kick on under new ownership and United (who are sh*te but should arguably be on about half of the points we are). We've made a cup final, a semi final and still have a somewhat realistic chance of a half decent European place for next year.

There is a world that isn't a million miles away where Villa and Liverpool fall down to a similar level to where we are next year (Villa with Europe distraction and Pool with a sh*te manager) and we have a solid foundation to build on for the first time since Tuchel left to potentially be one of the teams to replace them. 

I don't believe Poch is the man to win us the league, i doubt he is the man to win a cup at all. But where we are right now, we just need to be back in the top 4, sorting out the squad mess the owners have put us in and getting to point where we can begin to compete.

So my question to anyone who thinks that Poch should go, is not why, but who replaces him. If even one name can be provided that is both realistic and a guarenteed upgrade on Poch, then im all for it. But if there are any doubts that the name cannot at least match what we have done this season, then whats the point?

This is a fair post Niall. My concern however continues to be the root cause analysis of these injuries. If this is pure bad luck and the way the season has naturally unfolded then so be it. If however there is a fundamental issue around the training and conditioning methods that are causing injuries and re-injuries then we must look to make a change to a more stable and productive environment behind the scenes.

There have been recent anonymous comments disparaging some of the training methods and if there any real truth to these, then this should also be taken into account 

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