Just now, loz said:

There is a broken record here.  They are both f**king awful. What's the point diluting the Jackson criticism by trying to compare him to Broja. Christ you could compare them both to Kezman and they'd both be 4th best.

There is nothing to work with with Jackson. His weaknesses will never be taught out of him to cope at the top level. He is a lower league striker at best. 

And that's where I disagree.

You see the difference because we have an actually lower league striker next to him.   Broja has 2 In 31 for us before that he was on a 5 month goal drought for Southampton so he's probably on about 2 from his last 50

He's a Donkey. 

Jackson isn't. He's a struggling player in his first season in a new country but He got 13 last season,  8 this year so far and has looked good in moments in games he hasn't scored.

Jackson isn't good enough to be leading our line and whoever decided we should start the season with him and Broja up front should be in a court of law for gross negligence but I don't think he should be written off yet.

If we'd actually built a real squad with a top number 9 and haf a fit Nkunku with Jackson filling in and coming off the bench I think he could grow into a decent player.

12 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

And that's where I disagree.

You see the difference because we have an actually lower league striker next to him.   Broja has 2 In 31 for us before that he was on a 5 month goal drought for Southampton so he's probably on about 2 from his last 50

He's a Donkey. 

Jackson isn't. He's a struggling player in his first season in a new country but He got 13 last season,  8 this year so far and has looked good in moments in games he hasn't scored.

Jackson isn't good enough to be leading our line and whoever decided we should start the season with him and Broja up front should be in a court of law for gross negligence but I don't think he should be written off yet.

If we'd actually built a real squad with a top number 9 and haf a fit Nkunku with Jackson filling in and coming off the bench I think he could grow into a decent player.

You seriously think Jackson has the potential to be a top striker, or even a back up to a top striker, in the Premier league? Fair enough but my flabber is gasted. 

There is nothing about Jackson that makes me remotely optimistic he can have a career in the Premier League.  Jeffrey Dahmer had a softer first touch and he has a composure on the ball that I've not seen since Boris Johnson played in a charity match. Its embarrassing that we are picking a player so out of his depth.

22 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

And that's where I disagree.

You see the difference because we have an actually lower league striker next to him.   Broja has 2 In 31 for us before that he was on a 5 month goal drought for Southampton so he's probably on about 2 from his last 50

He's a Donkey. 

Jackson isn't. He's a struggling player in his first season in a new country but He got 13 last season,  8 this year so far and has looked good in moments in games he hasn't scored.

Jackson isn't good enough to be leading our line and whoever decided we should start the season with him and Broja up front should be in a court of law for gross negligence but I don't think he should be written off yet.

If we'd actually built a real squad with a top number 9 and haf a fit Nkunku with Jackson filling in and coming off the bench I think he could grow into a decent player.

You're looking at the stats and nothing else. 3 of those goals were tap ins against Tottenham's 9 man suicide highline. Almost any team in the league would have put 6 minimum past that defence that day. 3 of his other goals came against Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United, the 3 worst teams in the league. 

His performances in almost every game has been abysmal. He's so bad at everything. First touch, hold up play, timing his runs, awareness, heading, work rate, movement, shooting, bravery, strength, none of this is Premier League standard. I never see him busting a gut to get on the end of a cross. Any half decent cross I see him hiding closer to the edge of the area rather than giving everything to get ahead of the defender to get a toe on the end of it. I never see him put his body in a position where he could get hurt, nobody is going to be worried playing against Jackson.

His touch is awful, he takes too many touches to even strike the ball, but the worse thing is which is basic and you will see most lower league strikers have is attitude and desire. He has no desire to get onto crosses or put his body in there. You see when Nkunku came on he was in the box trying to get onto the end of crosses whether good or bad. Dont worry Jackson will bust a gut when a sniff of a tap in is on and then it's still 50/50 to whether he scores or not.

Guys a fraud 

 

2 hours ago, Andy2461 said:

Guys a fraud 

Jackson or @Whats_The_Mata??

The problem with Jackson is that there are so many parts of his game that need to be fixed it's hard to know where to start. In pre-season friendlies he at least had a work rate and a level of physical presence that caused problems for half-fit defenders.

That's totally disappeared now. I thought Timo Werner had a terrible first touch but Jackson is every bit as bad. His movement is awful, runs in completely the wrong direction a lot of the time. His hold up play is non-existent and his finishing makes Danny Welbeck look like Gerd Muller.

6 minutes ago, just said:

The problem with Jackson is that there are so many parts of his game that need to be fixed it's hard to know where to start. In pre-season friendlies he at least had a work rate and a level of physical presence that caused problems for half-fit defenders.

That's totally disappeared now. I thought Timo Werner had a terrible first touch but Jackson is every bit as bad. His movement is awful, runs in completely the wrong direction a lot of the time. His hold up play is non-existent and his finishing makes Danny Welbeck look like Gerd Muller.

Jackson outscored Werner already while featuring in half of the matches in comparison and he's younger than Timo was. Just saying.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Jackson outscored Werner already while featuring in half of the matches in comparison and he's younger than Timo was. Just saying.

Yeah Jackson need two players of Spurs to be sent off, another two to got injured and yet he barely scored with his two left legs. Great player :D

I'm sloshed on Christmas Eve,  but this guy is sooooo bad. Whyyyy the f**k did we sign him!!!!????

 

 

 

We should cut our losses on Jackson and Broja. We should’ve sold Broja after he came back from loan when we could’ve got a decent price for him and we could still fool clubs into thinking he’s got potential. I’d be amazed if there are many takers now. He was pretty useless before his injury, and he looks pretty useless now. Jackson is nowhere near Premier league level. Not even as a third choice striker. He’s literally a waste of space. 

We should also sack the Board member who decided to go into the season with those two upfront. Such a calamitous judgement has destroyed the season and likely set us back years and cost us millions in lost revenue. They should not be allowed to oversee any more decisions at the club. Period.

Just about perfect.

 

Can someone rename this thread...

 

NIcolas Jackson - Pub League Player

His worst game in a Chelsea shirt. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25157686/chelsea-christmas-eve-wolves-nicolas-jackson-premier-league/

Yep.

Unfortunately for Nico, Nkunku showed in 15 minutes yesterday why we need to move swiftly on from him and Broja.

The contrast was stark to say the least !

8 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Jackson outscored Werner already while featuring in half of the matches in comparison and he's younger than Timo was. Just saying.

Like @Scott Harris said though, these figures are a bit false. He scored three of these goals against 9 man Spurs where any decent side would have scored double the amount.

Was hopeful at first, but I'm starting to change my tune with this fella. 

Awful performance that was, he's doing my f**king nut in. Doesn't help with him making an absolute arse of himself off the pitch aswell.

At the end of the day, the board took a gamble on him and I don't particularly blame them. There are just no options out there right now without having to spend an absurd amount of money. 

58 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Was hopeful at first, but I'm starting to change my tune with this fella. 

Awful performance that was, he's doing my f**king nut in. Doesn't help with him making an absolute arse of himself off the pitch aswell.

At the end of the day, the board took a gamble on him and I don't particularly blame them. There are just no options out there right now without having to spend an absurd amount of money. 

This is the bit I dont agree with....

There absolutely MUST be a serviceable striker somewhere in the world that can come in and do a decent job for us. Someone who can control a ball, pass and shoot. We have a network of scouts, all over the globe, and I do not believe that there is not 1 decent player out there, currently under the radar.

27 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

This is the bit I dont agree with....

There absolutely MUST be a serviceable striker somewhere in the world that can come in and do a decent job for us. Someone who can control a ball, pass and shoot. We have a network of scouts, all over the globe, and I do not believe that there is not 1 decent player out there, currently under the radar.

What do you make of Jackson slowly regressing since preseason? Or every other player for that matter? 

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

This is the bit I dont agree with....

There absolutely MUST be a serviceable striker somewhere in the world that can come in and do a decent job for us. Someone who can control a ball, pass and shoot. We have a network of scouts, all over the globe, and I do not believe that there is not 1 decent player out there, currently under the radar.

You just proved my point Jim, WHO?? You can't just throw "Someone" in there. 

I would've taken Harry Kane as my ideal candidate, but Tottenham would've wanted about 200m for him. Victor Osimhen will cost over a 100m and we've signed far too many sh*t strikers from that league for silly money as is. 

The club took a gamble on Jackson, I understood it. Hindsight is a bitch, at the time the club made the sensible move. 

In pre-season he looked so confident hold up was good he brought in players around him then as the season gone on he’s got progressively worst and you can see his confidence shot. It’s a confidence issue he’s absolutely shot.

Even though we haven’t had any luck with attackers something I have seen over the last 5 years is Chelsea strikers get so much more media attention compared to other big club strikers who have failed. 
It seems we are in a self defeating cycle fans get on the back of our strikers/attacking players media get their nails in and push the failed attackers narrative and nothing improves.

I get the feeling Halaand and Kane would fail here.

13 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Like @Scott Harris said though, these figures are a bit false. He scored three of these goals against 9 man Spurs where any decent side would have scored double the amount.

It's not false, the fact is he scored 7 goals so far in 17 matches that he has featured in. Compare him to anyone else part from Haaland and you'll see he's not that bad and we really need those goals;

Arsenal's Nketiah and G.Jesus put together scored 8 goals.

Liverpool's Gakpo and Nunez put together scored 6 goals. ✔️

Man United's Martial and Hojlund put together scored 1 goal.  ✔️

Spur's Son and Richarlison put together scored 16 goals.

Our Jackson alone outscored 2/4 striker duo's from our rivals.

Jackson when compared to those players while they were or are in the first season:

Nketiah first season - 2 goals.  ✔️
G.Jesus first season - 7 goals. (While playing 10 matches but he was in Man City and not Arsenal)  ✔️

Gakpo first season - 7 goals.  ✔️
Nunez first season - 9 goals.

Martial first season - 11 goals. 
Hojlund first season - So far 0 goals.  ✔️

Son first season - 4 goals.  ✔️
Richarlison first season - 5 goals.  ✔️

Our Jackson already outscored 4 and is already equal to 2 players when compared just by the first season, only Martial and Nunez had more goals than him for their first PL season.

Nkunku during his first 30 minutes of the PL experience had 3 shots on target and scored once, Jackson is taking far too many touches and is playing nonchalantly so he clearly has an attitude problem and he isn't that good but it's not like we spent crazy money for him either. Caicedo cost over 100m and he's not a difference maker nor has he been nearly influential enough. Jackson after all came into a team that had already massive attacking problems, our midfield before Caicedo and Enzo had Kante and Jorginho so the standard there is much higher.

Edited December 25, 20232 yr by Gol15

13 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

It's not false, the fact is he scored 7 goals so far in 17 matches that he has featured in. Compare him to anyone else part from Haaland and you'll see he's not that bad and we really need those goals;

Arsenal's Nketiah and G.Jesus put together scored 8 goals.

Liverpool's Gakpo and Nunez put together scored 6 goals. ✔️

Man United's Martial and Hojlund put together scored 1 goal.  ✔️

Spur's Son and Richarlison put together scored 16 goals.

Our Jackson alone outscored 2/4 striker duo's from our rivals.

Jackson when compared to those players while they were or are in the first season:

Nketiah first season - 2 goals.  ✔️
G.Jesus first season - 7 goals. (While playing 10 matches but he was in Man City and not Arsenal)  ✔️

Gakpo first season - 7 goals.  ✔️
Nunez first season - 9 goals.

Martial first season - 11 goals. 
Hojlund first season - So far 0 goals.  ✔️

Son first season - 4 goals.  ✔️
Richarlison first season - 5 goals.  ✔️

Our Jackson already outscored 4 and is already equal to 2 players when compared just by the first season, only Martial and Nunez had more goals than him for their first PL season.

Nkunku during his first 30 minutes of the PL experience had 3 shots on target and scored once, Jackson is taking far too many touches and is playing nonchalantly so he clearly has an attitude problem and he isn't that good but it's not like we spent crazy money for him either. Caicedo cost over 100m and he's not a difference maker nor has he been nearly influential enough. Jackson after all came into a team that had already massive attacking problems, our midfield before Caicedo and Enzo had Kante and Jorginho so the standard there is much higher.

As a striker, he's crap and anyone who says different is talking out their arse imho - you only have to watch him play to know that - it's bloody painful.

What you could argue in addition to the fact it is only his first season and many/most? strikers who come to the Bridge fail anyway, is that he (like the most of our team) is lacking in confidence...

So it's all a bit egg and chicken at the moment... hopefully this Nkunku guy is going to do the business, we get a decent run of results... the confidence levels raise and we all start believing in "the project"... then we'll be in a better position to assess him.