2 minutes ago, coco said:

We have plenty of viable scapegoats mate, namely the two center backs that form our worst defence in over 25 years. What is pathetic is the assumption that Tammy is blackmailing the club for a new contract by not attempting to get into the 6yd box. Even a pre-school kid could see their is no logic to that.

Is Frank Sinclair still available?

We have plenty of viable scapegoats mate, namely the two center backs that form our worst defence in over 25 years. What is pathetic is the assumption that Tammy is blackmailing the club for a new contract by not attempting to get into the 6yd box. Even a pre-school kid could see their is no logic to that.

You completely missed the point I was making. This wasn't me having a go at him for his new contract I was stating he's never in the 6 yard box to receive the ball he's always on his heels which is absolutely infuriating with the amount of crosses we put in the box. I haven't seen any improvement in this aspect of his game all season

41 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

come on @coco, we have to have a scapegoat, a player to moan about and blame, and Morata is gone, Jorginho wasn't playing and Mikel has retired or whatever.

We have Willian for that, i want to see no bad posts about Chelsea youngsters thank you. 

2 hours ago, Nevamind said:

He is so clumsy. Everytime the ball gets to him he is Bambi on ice,  nearly falling over, barely getting it under control. 

Further there were at least two times a cross came and a simple tap in was required. At the beginning of the season he ran, pressed like a madman but now he is strolling around making bad runs too. 

 

Gives me Dejavu of Morata! Let’s see next season...

1 hour ago, rtwelch said:

Gives me Dejavu of Morata! Let’s see next season...

bit harsh Tammy is 22 in his first proper season in the prem currently has 13 prem goals in 27 odd games thats 1 in 2 

Morata was a supposed fairly seasoned pro at 25 (or 26 ) when he cam here had already played for real madrid and Juve, and in his first full season scored 11 in 32 thats 1 in 3 

I admit Tammy isnt the finished article by a long shot and he may only ever become the back up striker but hopefully he will still develop, as with most of the young guys coming through this season is not the one to judge them on, the fact its the first in the big time and the fractured nature of the season itself means it is very hard to be consistent 

23 minutes ago, Bonzodog29 said:

bit harsh Tammy is 22 in his first proper season in the prem currently has 13 prem goals in 27 odd games thats 1 in 2 

Morata was a supposed fairly seasoned pro at 25 (or 26 ) when he cam here had already played for real madrid and Juve, and in his first full season scored 11 in 32 thats 1 in 3 

I admit Tammy isnt the finished article by a long shot and he may only ever become the back up striker but hopefully he will still develop, as with most of the young guys coming through this season is not the one to judge them on, the fact its the first in the big time and the fractured nature of the season itself means it is very hard to be consistent 

I just meant seeing the description Nevamind used. I'm in no way comparing Tammy with Morata overall don't worry

I just now saw his attempted clearance off the line.  That was incredibly awkward on his part.  I think even I could have saved that ball from crossing the line.

I just now saw his attempted clearance off the line.  That was incredibly awkward on his part.  I think even I could have saved that ball from crossing the line.

All he had to do was get his body in the way and keep his hands beside him

6 hours ago, Phillip said:

I just now saw his attempted clearance off the line.  That was incredibly awkward on his part.  I think even I could have saved that ball from crossing the line.

I thought that when I saw it last night, all he had to do was either get his body in the way or kick it without falling over.

15 hours ago, Bonzodog29 said:

bit harsh Tammy is 22 in his first proper season in the prem currently has 13 prem goals in 27 odd games thats 1 in 2 

Morata was a supposed fairly seasoned pro at 25 (or 26 ) when he cam here had already played for real madrid and Juve, and in his first full season scored 11 in 32 thats 1 in 3 

I admit Tammy isnt the finished article by a long shot and he may only ever become the back up striker but hopefully he will still develop, as with most of the young guys coming through this season is not the one to judge them on, the fact its the first in the big time and the fractured nature of the season itself means it is very hard to be consistent 

While I think that's fair, I also think we need to dissect the stats a little more:

• Aug - 4 goals (2 Norwich, 2 Sheffield)
• Sep - 3 goals (3 Wolves)
• Oct - 1 goal (1 Saints)
• Nov - 2 goals (1 Watford, 1 Palace)
• Dec - 2 goals (1 Villa, 1 Arsenal)
• Jan - 1 goal (Burnley)

7 goals in 3 early season games (nicely done).  If the 27 starts you note is accurate, that leaves 6 goals in 24 games, or 1 in 4.  That strike rate is not good enough to me, and while March - June are really a non-event, the strike rate says it all.  Other parts of his game receive less focus when he was scoring more freely, but without goals there has to be more contribution, which is really highlighting some weaknesses to a young footballer.

I welcome the upgrade of Werner.  Be equally hard for him against the low block, but Tammy does not look like a top 4 striker in the making to me and welcome the change.

 

Tammy did very well before Christmas yet has since not scored, I don't think he is able to vary his game and he does not seem to be able to convert crosses.

I think he will struggle next season to get minutes unless he can add more skills to his game this summer.

People are being harsh. We don't have the creativity for him to thrive. First season in the Prem and he's already surpassed my expectations. I thought double figures would be brilliant, so he's done that and then some. He's hit the post/bar multiple times, but he just needs to learn to stay onside more. There are far more experienced players who have adapted to the league who are barely better than he is. I would expect Ziyech and Werner to really help him blossom further. 

I mean Suarez first couple seasons weren't any better than Abraham's, so he does need time. We also have to remember that he doesn't take penalties either, so every goal he scores is from open play. Rashford has 14 goals this season, but 5 of those goals were from penalties. Go back and look at Rooney's stats around the time he was Abraham's age. He had around a similar amount of goals too, give or take one or two. He only started scoring many goals when he got to mid 20's. Only this season that Martial has scored one more goal than Abraham, but before this season he hasn't scored more than Tammy. Gabriel Jesus hasn't scored more than Tammy in a season either. I think people need to relax and hold back from the hard criticism. 

The difference being with Suarez, Rooney, Martial etc, they were far more of a threat than Tammy. At the moment he is coming on and trying to close down, when it comes to hold up play, winning headers etc he is pretty weak at the moment.

It is a shame as I want to see him do well, so I really hope he can score against Watford if he is involved as his confidence has taken a huge knock. As a team looking to challenge you cannot afford to be a passenger.

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by Malcolm9

Not responded to Giroud taking his place, let alone imminent arrival of Werner. He better wake up or his chance will be gone. Not just at Chelsea, England too. Players like Calvert-lewin and greenwood have had much better 2020's than him so far.

8 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Not responded to Giroud taking his place, let alone imminent arrival of Werner. He better wake up or his chance will be gone. Not just at Chelsea, England too. Players like Calvert-lewin and greenwood have had much better 2020's than him so far.

It was interesting to note that he didn't celebrate Barkley's goal at all. Desperately wanted the pass to get a goal. 

I feel for him, the games haven't suited his style as much, Giroud is scoring too. Needs to work hard and build other aspects to his game. I really hope he can do that, because as we've seen with Michy, just being a striker in the 6 yard box who needs service to suceed, won't be enough in the long run here.

9 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

It was interesting to note that he didn't celebrate Barkley's goal at all. Desperately wanted the pass to get a goal. 

I feel for him, the games haven't suited his style as much, Giroud is scoring too. Needs to work hard and build other aspects to his game. I really hope he can do that, because as we've seen with Michy, just being a striker in the 6 yard box who needs service to suceed, won't be enough in the long run here.

Yes the style we play under Lampard does not suit his game nor Gilmour's either. I don't see Lampard changing that so either the players adapt or their future is on the bench or elsewhere. 

Football is a hard world when you are aiming for the top. 

Bit of an interesting situation with Tammy. He's only got two years left on his contract and doesn't want to sign the extension the club have offered to him. Which is his right and fair enough.
But the problem is that he isn't performing either. He's not been anywhere near Girouds level since Giroud finally got some chances to prove himself. And with Werner coming in its looking very, very likely that he'll be the third-choice striker this coming season. I don't think he's going to accept that and in that case there could be a sale on the cards.

Tammy had an opportunity this year that very few people have in a team of this level.
He started well but it is not the first time that he starts well and ends so badly.

His level does not allow him to play for Chelsea.
I hope he is realistic about his quality.

Folk need to calm right down. Tammy is 22 years old for f**ksake. It’s his first year in our first team. He was on fire in the first half of the season and he’s badly out of form now. If anyone didn’t see this coming from a young striker they were kidding themselves on. This is some of the same people who were saying we should get rid of Giroud in January because he was finished and are now saying he’s the definitive number 1 striker.

 

He’s still young and has time to improve. Having said that, his new contract should be nowhere near the £170k that he’s rumoured to be looking for. 
 

This is what happens when we were all screaming play the kids for years. They’re not going to all come in to the team and perform for the full season. Their form will go up and down, that’s part and parcel of blooding them in to the team. Thankfully, I’m sure Frank and Jody in particular are fully aware of.

Edited July 5, 20206 yr by EdinburghBlue

My MD is a Villa Fan goes to every game basically what we are seeing from Tammy from his opinion that's his level he told me he missed so many chances last season.

If he doesn't learn or improve in the next couple of seasons he will follow the path of most hyped English strikers

9 minutes ago, Brutos said:

My MD is a Villa Fan goes to every game basically what we are seeing from Tammy from his opinion that's his level he told me he missed so many chances last season.

If he doesn't learn or improve in the next couple of seasons he will follow the path of most hyped English strikers

I'm glad you said that as I don't think he will make it at Chelsea though he did well in the first part of the Season as the 'new boy' at Chelsea yet teams realised if you stop him getting the ball through the middle he is largely redundant as a threat.  

I think Broja might prove to be a better long term option though only seen glimpses of him so far. 

Sadly he's not even 1/3 of the player he was prior to the pandemic. He took a huge nose dive, from being a real difference maker and making everything easier for so many players on the pitch, he has been totally useless, I can't believe how bad he became and I simply don't understand it, his runs make no sense he's so soft for no reason...what happened?

His lack of movement and constant falling over is a real issue but his obvious lack of confidence is the biggest problem right now. No idea how to overcome that as we need to work on the whole teams attacking play but Giroud should be starting and Frank should have recognised that putting Abraham up in his current state against 3 strong, disciplined and dependable centre backs was never a good idea!

Looks well out of his depth currently ... and his body language shows that in spades ... I'd sell him and Batshuayi, and take a punt on Odsonne Edouard from Celtic as their replacement ...