17 minutes ago, abister1 said:

No need for the stereotyping. 

Idiots are idiots and they are everywhere.

You know one or more, I do too. 

He is right tbh, generalisation or not you do get a lot of foreign fans who have this mentality of being incredibly fickle and disrespectful. You get a lot of c**ts everywhere but online when you go on Chelsea's facebook feed and twitter feed it's ridiculous, honestly have a look for yourself. I can't even read the fan comments on social media anymore because of it, it's why I only discuss football in person with friends or on this forum, I won't discuss it on any other form of social media. 

24 minutes ago, Slojo said:

He is right tbh, generalisation or not you do get a lot of foreign fans who have this mentality of being incredibly fickle and disrespectful. You get a lot of c**ts everywhere but online when you go on Chelsea's facebook feed and twitter feed it's ridiculous, honestly have a look for yourself. I can't even read the fan comments on social media anymore because of it, it's why I only discuss football in person with friends or on this forum, I won't discuss it on any other form of social media. 

Yeah true. I understand you and his point but don't like it as the way its couched it's a potential fuel for much darker stuff.

96% pass accuracy is definitely an improvement to me.

I paid close attention to him today. There were so many occasions when he had oodles of space ahead of him, under no pressure and he plays a 5 yard pass back to a defender to make the forward pass. So the 96% is not surprising. If that's what he's going to offer then it's OK, but he shouldn't be starting for us and certainly not next to Kante. Kante's partner needs to be able to see the field, pick out passes as well do some dirty work.

Over the last run we've seen time and again the opposition pressuring near our box and our inability to play out from the back and then invite further pressure. When your transition players are Kante, Bakayoko, Alonso and Moses - it is not surprising in the least.

2 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

I paid close attention to him today. There were so many occasions when he had oodles of space ahead of him, under no pressure and he plays a 5 yard pass back to a defender to make the forward pass. So the 96% is not surprising. If that's what he's going to offer then it's OK, but he shouldn't be starting for us and certainly not next to Kante. Kante's partner needs to be able to see the field, pick out passes as well do some dirty work.

Over the last run we've seen time and again the opposition pressuring near our box and our inability to play out from the back and then invite further pressure. When your transition players are Kante, Bakayoko, Alonso and Moses - it is not surprising in the least.

He also lost his man for the free Brighton header that hit the bar, he had a free header unmarked, Bakayoko was the nearest man and was marking nobody in the box.

That's what's so hard about the Premier League compared to the French League, it's much quicker, you can't switch off not even for a second, Bakayoko still needs to get grips with the game. If they had scored that I can bet people on here would be saying different. 

I thought he was better yesterday. He still made mistakes but was more solid overall. He has a lot to learn but at 22 there is still time for him.

8 hours ago, Slojo said:

He is right tbh, generalisation or not you do get a lot of foreign fans who have this mentality of being incredibly fickle and disrespectful. You get a lot of c**ts everywhere but online when you go on Chelsea's facebook feed and twitter feed it's ridiculous, honestly have a look for yourself. I can't even read the fan comments on social media anymore because of it, it's why I only discuss football in person with friends or on this forum, I won't discuss it on any other form of social media. 

People on Facebook fan pages make  @OverAndOut look decent.

 

12 hours ago, Slojo said:

He is right tbh, generalisation or not you do get a lot of foreign fans who have this mentality of being incredibly fickle and disrespectful. You get a lot of c**ts everywhere but online when you go on Chelsea's facebook feed and twitter feed it's ridiculous, honestly have a look for yourself. I can't even read the fan comments on social media anymore because of it, it's why I only discuss football in person with friends or on this forum, I won't discuss it on any other form of social media. 

Sometimes the difference is just the quality of english tbh. There has been a lot of whacky stuff said about him on this very forum, not just by overandout

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11215910/tiemoue-bakayoko8217s-form-hope-for-chelsea-midfielder-in-brighton-win

Good one to read on people being hard on him after yesterdays game still.

The lumbering style remains and is unlikely to endear him to supporters, but the statistics suggest this can be misleading. For example, while appearing cumbersome in comparison to his more overtly industrious midfield partner N'Golo Kante, Bakayoko actually covered more ground - 11.15 kilometres - than any other Chelsea player at the Amex Stadium.

He also made more high-intensity sprints than Kante and, while his compatriot did win the ball back once more than him, it was Bakayoko who gave it away less than anyone on the pitch who played the full 90 minutes. He found a team-mate with 96.4 per cent of his passes and this was not because Bakayoko was taking the easiest option every time either.

Bakayoko covered more ground than any other player for Chelsea at Brighton

His use of the ball was hardly spectacular but there were hints of what Conte wanted when opting to replace Nemanja Matic in the summer. Bakayoko found some forward passes into Hazard's feet - feeding Chelsea's star man 10 times during the game - and showed signs that he can be a player capable of progressing the ball up the pitch for his side.

Former Chelsea midfielder Claude Makelele was Bakayoko's mentor at Monaco and remains insistent that this is someone who can do it all - a dribbler and a passer as well as a tackler. But Makelele's experience of working with Bakayoko also suggests that he is someone who needs lots of support if he is to fulfil his potential.

There have been setbacks on and off the pitch. The failure to earn a place at the famed French football academy Clairefontaine and a broken leg before the decision to refocus during his third season at Monaco, selling his pink Porsche and working with Makelele to get back on track. The two spoke every day for a month to help him turn things around.

Bakayoko's use of the ball was good in Chelsea's win over Brighton

"Claude sought me out immediately and told me that he believed in me, counted on me, and [telling me] what I had to work on so I could offer more on the pitch," said Bakayoko himself in a recent interview with The Guardian. "So to have the chance to follow in his footsteps here at Chelsea is a real motivation."

It has not started well and Bakayoko is now 23. He is at an age where he needs to take more responsibility and embrace the challenge ahead of him. He has acknowledged that Conte is asking more of him than he has been used to. There is more running required, more work to do without the ball and more tactical work in training.

"If I follow his orders, my game will rise to a new level and I can fulfil the potential he sees," added Bakayoko. His encouraging efforts against Brighton were a start. But Conte and Chelsea's supporters will want to see a lot more of that before they are convinced that he can begin to justify his fee and be a real factor in taking the club forward.

Nice read!

I like Baka, esp when he sprints forward, he just need to do more in his delivery in opposition half.

11 hours ago, Stim said:

 

Sometimes the difference is just the quality of english tbh. There has been a lot of whacky stuff said about him on this very forum, not just by overandout

 

True, although it isn't as bad as it is elsewhere, did you not see the talkchelsea thread I posted a few pages back? The stuff they're saying to Bakayoko is disgusting. 

(Just checking Bakayoko for some illegal substances.... No. Nothing this time. Clean. 

I'll get you next time! )

Much better.

Best player yesterday... Nothing else to say. 

It reminds me a bit of the beginning of Ramires' Chelsea career (not in style of play, just in general quality) - absolute pony for the first six months, then hit form and rest is history.

Central midfielders should influence the game, he doesn’t, it’s as simple as that. People are praising him for 3 performances against poor opponents, against these opponents he should be taking control of the game and absolutely bossing it!

last night he actually chased after his mistake & won the ball back, why should I notice that? I shouldn’t, it should be the very least he does.

People are praising him up when in reality he’s doing very standard things, our expectations are so low that some are grasping at straws to make him seem better.

You better watch out Moses (and Alonso), they'll be after you next if Baka keeps improving!

49 minutes ago, EmeraldBlue said:

You better watch out Moses (and Alonso), they'll be after you next if Baka keeps improving!

Would you pay £40m for either of Moses or Alonso after 1 good season? I know I wouldn’t.

I think our expectations are so low by now, if Bakayoko doesn't make any serious mistakes during his performance, it's considered good.

7 minutes ago, abramovich said:

I think our expectations are so low by now, if Bakayoko doesn't make any serious mistakes during his performance, it's considered good.

Surely if someone makes no mistakes then that is infact a good performance?

 

3 hours ago, Cyborg7 said:

Best player yesterday... Nothing else to say. 

Was he actually?  I did not get to watch the match

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Surely if someone makes no mistakes then that is infact a good performance?

 

That depends on your expectations. If a player doesn't take any risks, passes the ball to the nearest teammate, doesn't attempt any passes that can lead to a goalscoring opportunities and generally avoids taking any initiative, that may count for a good performance in a sense that he hasn't done much wrong. I just expect more from our starting midfield. I want a much more dynamic player, someone who can drive with the ball forward, spray the passes around and pick the players' runs, anticipate the opposition movement and deal with it accordingly, break up their attack before it's too late and fouling should be your last resort. Constantly move into postions where he can offer himself to his teammates and at least on occasion shoot the ball on goal, preferably away from the keeper.

Also, Bakayoko has a tactical awareness close to zero. He strikes me as someone who hasn't had much coaching, or has started getting it only recently. Hopefully he's a fast learner but he's very much a work in progress at the moment and the team suffers for it, because he plays a key position.

Edited January 25, 20188 yr by abramovich

I actually thought he was pretty decent yesterday, and i have been one of his biggest critics. I thought he did what he was mostly signed to do. Break up play, get us out of tight situations and occasionally burst forward with power. Also, that pass into Hazard in the second half was spot on. If Hazard didn't lose his balance and scores from it, everybody would be praising that pass.

21 hours ago, mwblue10 said:

Was he actually?  I did not get to watch the match

Yes, big game he took all space on the pitch, very physical impact and accurate in his passes, he gave one wonderful pass to Hazard alone in front of Ospina, but Hazard slipped...

On 21/01/2018 at 15:37, RIP Mourinho said:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11215910/tiemoue-bakayoko8217s-form-hope-for-chelsea-midfielder-in-brighton-win

Good one to read on people being hard on him after yesterdays game still.

His use of the ball was hardly spectacular but there were hints of what Conte wanted when opting to replace Nemanja Matic in the summer. Bakayoko found some forward passes into Hazard's feet - feeding Chelsea's star man 10 times during the game - and showed signs that he can be a player capable of progressing the ball up the pitch for his side.

 

Pretty sure A) Conte didn't want Bakayoko and B) didnt want to let Matic leave.

it's funny how when he has a good game, there's a sentence or two on his performance, but when he has a bad game there's page after page of pointing out his flaws and poor performance. i swear some people feed on negativity.