How does everybody feel about the system?

Personally I think it’s silly, what’s the point of keeping the likes of Maddox, Nathan, Piazon, Rahman, Kane etc? We may as well let these players go and let them build a career for themselves rather than sending them somewhere different every year.

I understand loans like Bakayoko, Abraham, Batshuayi etc as we can recoup our fees or let these players develop so they can compete in our first team.

I really think we should cut our loans down to perhaps 10 players, ones that has the potential to develop into a first team player, or hope they have a great season so we can make our money back.

Majority of those on loan are youth players from the academy. The reason it looks bad is cause, for whatever reason, we don't see the value in selling our youth and would prefer to keep loaning them out so each year as another turns 18/19 the loaned list gets bigger and bigger.

Having said that, certain players really don't help themselves. I can't speak for the others but I know that Kane in particular refuses to leave Chelsea. He could have joined Blackburn years ago and would have developed into a better player than he is now. You would have to drag him out kicking and screaming before he leaves Chelsea. I admire his loyalty to the club and he's obviously a die hard fan but he's clearly never going to make an appearance for us.

If you're over the age of 22/23 there really isn't much reason for you to be on loan. 

9 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Majority of those on loan are youth players from the academy. The reason it looks bad is cause, for whatever reason, we don't see the value in selling our youth and would prefer to keep loaning them out so each year as another turns 18/19 the loaned list gets bigger and bigger.

Having said that, certain players really don't help themselves. I can't speak for the others but I know that Kane in particular refuses to leave Chelsea. He could have joined Blackburn years ago and would have developed into a better player than he is now. You would have to drag him out kicking and screaming before he leaves Chelsea. I admire his loyalty to the club and he's obviously a die hard fan but he's clearly never going to make an appearance for us.

Contract expires in summer, imagine he will leave then. 

 

There is enough money in that loan army we could pump into the first team and actually have one of the best squads in Europe. 

Probably close to £300m excluding Pulisic. 

Out of all of them there is probably only Abraham, Mount, James, and possibly Chalobah, Zouma and Batshuayi that have any chance of playing in our first team. 

The rest should just be sold, along with the likes of drinkwater and Zappacosta. 

I would be interested to see how much money we gain per season on loan fees. 

I think we hold onto players way too long, we should sell players when they are at their highest value and put in buy back clause and sell on fees. 

Teams know we will just keep players on loan for 4 or 5 years, so they don't want to buy the players. 

Hopefully the change in rules will encourage us to stream line the whole process, and make it a more efficient money earner.

16 minutes ago, big blue said:

There is enough money in that loan army we could pump into the first team and actually have one of the best squads in Europe. 

Probably close to £300m excluding Pulisic. 

Out of all of them there is probably only Abraham, Mount, James, and possibly Chalobah, Zouma and Batshuayi that have any chance of playing in our first team. 

The rest should just be sold, along with the likes of drinkwater and Zappacosta. 

I would be interested to see how much money we gain per season on loan fees. 

I think we hold onto players way too long, we should sell players when they are at their highest value and put in buy back clause and sell on fees. 

Teams know we will just keep players on loan for 4 or 5 years, so they don't want to buy the pla?yers. 

Hopefully the change in rules will encourage us to stream line the whole process, and make it a more efficient money earner.

I think you are being extremely generous mate. 

4 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I think you are being extremely generous mate. 

Is he though? That averages about 7m per player. I think he’s about right, considering some will go for a lot more like Baka and Morata, Batshuayi so it balances out.

But still, 7m for a player like Piazon isn’t beyond realistic.

7 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Is he though? That averages about 7m per player. I think he’s about right, considering some will go for a lot more like Baka and Morata, Batshuayi so it balances out.

But still, 7m for a player like Piazon isn’t beyond realistic.

We paid between £5m to £10m for Piazon 6 years ago and he's not improved in any regard apart from age. He doesn't even look like a Championship player. 

His contract is also up in the summer but assuming it wasn't, there's no way Maria could trick a club into paying £7m for Piazon. 

29 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I think you are being extremely generous mate. 

Abraham 25

Aina 10

angban 1

bakayoko 35

baker 5

Batshuayi 35

Baxter 1

brown 5

chalobah 8

jcs 5

Collins 1

dabo 1

dasilva 5

Eduardo 0

grant 1

hazard 1

Hector 5

James 15

Kalas 5

Kenedy 10

Maddox 1

Miazga 5

morata 40

Moses 15

mount 20

musonda 10

Nathan 1

omeroe 3

Palmer 5

pantic 3

pasalic 5

Piazon 0

quintero 1

baba 10

sterling 5

Thompson 1

wakely 1

ziger 1

Zouma 25

Thats over £300m I don't think any of the prices are unrealistic. Solanke cost Bournemouth £20m with barely any first team appearances. So I think a few of them are very conservative.

 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Remodez said:

We paid between £5m to £10m for Piazon 6 years ago and he's not improved in any regard apart from age. He doesn't even look like a Championship player. 

His contract is also up in the summer but assuming it wasn't, there's no way Maria could trick a club into paying £7m for Piazon. 

I wouldn't be surprised if she pulled that off 

Let's just say the state of the loan system does not keep me up at night. Of all the issues affecting the club this has to be one of the least important.

The maddest one of that list is Michael Hector. Wasn't he already something like 35 when we signed him from Reading and immediately sent back on loan? Has he even ever been to Stamford Bridge or even Cobham? That was at the time a very weird £4M signing and one that hasn't looked to make any sense in the four seasons since. Having checked, he's very nearly 27 now and it seems very unlikely that he's ever going to oust Rudiger or Christensen or Luiz from our side, and neither does it seem that a Championship side are going to offer £20M for him. If we're still holding out for a 5 or 6 million quid transfer, after wages and what not that is surely still a loss. The mind boggles as to how this player farming is supposed to have a wider benefit to anyone.

2 hours ago, Remodez said:

We paid between £5m to £10m for Piazon 6 years ago and he's not improved in any regard apart from age. He doesn't even look like a Championship player. 

His contract is also up in the summer but assuming it wasn't, there's no way Maria could trick a club into paying £7m for Piazon. 

The market has changed drastically compared to 6 years ago.  I'd be surprised if we lost money on him.

Obviously, this is assuming he doesn't leave on a free.

Edited February 4, 20197 yr by mwblue10

20 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Oh, goody, my favourite f**kwit is back.  This could be fun

 

I have banned them on the username alone...

he or she seems to have quite an unhealthy interest in children and an inability to spell.

Edited February 4, 20197 yr by yorkleyblue

Our loan system has been a way round ffp, I would like to see how much a year we actually make from them but I bet its 10's of millions easily. The fees we paid for players are amortised across the length of their contract, loan fees are added to the top line so it makes financial sense to keep loaning them rather than selling them. Morally it's pretty questionable. 

maybe one day i'll get under someones skin so much that they create an entirely new account to only have it banned within hours... you're a freakin celeb m8

At least having 42,000 players out on loan keeps Tore Andre Flo busy. 

6 hours ago, Remodez said:

We paid between £5m to £10m for Piazon 6 years ago and he's not improved in any regard apart from age. He doesn't even look like a Championship player. 

His contract is also up in the summer but assuming it wasn't, there's no way Maria could trick a club into paying £7m for Piazon. 

 

5 hours ago, Valerie said:

I wouldn't be surprised if she pulled that off 

Papi Djilobodji, Sunderland, £8m.........if she could manage that, then £7m for Piazon shouldn't be too difficult.

 

I don't know why people get so uptight about the loan system, it generates funds for us to get around ffp, I see nothing wrong with that. Maybe it would be better to just sell some of the older ones though if they have no chance of making the first team.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Our loan system has been a way round ffp, I would like to see how much a year we actually make from them but I bet its 10's of millions easily. The fees we paid for players are amortised across the length of their contract, loan fees are added to the top line so it makes financial sense to keep loaning them rather than selling them. Morally it's pretty questionable. 

I would to see the figures as well. I don't think it is as much as you think, the academy boys and the players on loan outside of the top 5 leagues, generally are just straight loans with clubs picking up their wages.  

We probably get a fair bit from the more senior players, zouma cost Everton around £7m, but you could also argue bad loans and holding on to players too long has reduced their value. 

The point about FFP is good though, it's a fairly steady income stream, however if we were to sell alot of the players that are unlikely to have a future here, we still have the next crop of youngsters that can go out loan. 

 

I'm also not totally convinced that the loan system is the magic trick to defeat FFP. Certainly not as effective as getting your family and friends to sign unprecedented and ludicrously over the odds sponsorship deals.

I think DKW touched on it when he mentioned it being morally questionable. You can't help but wonder how many careers have actually been held back by this trade. Ok, nobody has had a gun held to their head and they're all financially well rewarded, but if in the name of easing FFP issues we have disrupted some young players development, then it is morally questionable.

Aren't the loan rules changing next season? I could have sworn I saw an article about UEFA imposing a maximum on the number of loans per club  Something like 10 if I remember.

12 hours ago, Snedger said:

I'm also not totally convinced that the loan system is the magic trick to defeat FFP. Certainly not as effective as getting your family and friends to sign unprecedented and ludicrously over the odds sponsorship deals.

I think DKW touched on it when he mentioned it being morally questionable. You can't help but wonder how many careers have actually been held back by this trade. Ok, nobody has had a gun held to their head and they're all financially well rewarded, but if in the name of easing FFP issues we have disrupted some young players development, then it is morally questionable.

Yeah that’s how I’m feeling too. The likes of Hector could have been a legend/cult hero at some league 2 club, having a great career.

Pretty certain we’ve held a lot of these players back, especially Piazon. He would have been a solid championship regular by now.

Of course it benefits us and these players probably get well paid, better than they would have at a different club. It’s just the morals of it I disagree with.

Like I said in the other thread, it certainly feels like we take them, chew them, and then spit them out.

Matej Delac for example, we sent him on 10 loans, and he only played 72 games in 7 years. Certainly feels like a wasted career.

3 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Yeah that’s how I’m feeling too. The likes of Hector could have been a legend/cult hero at some league 2 club, having a great career.

Pretty certain we’ve held a lot of these players back, especially Piazon. He would have been a solid championship regular by now.

Of course it benefits us and these players probably get well paid, better than they would have at a different club. It’s just the morals of it I disagree with.

Like I said in the other thread, it certainly feels like we take them, chew them, and then spit them out.

Matej Delac for example, we sent him on 10 loans, and he only played 72 games in 7 years. Certainly feels like a wasted career.

No one is forced to sign a contract and I imagine they are free to demand a move. It's not a moral question at all. 

Chelsea provide career opportunities for a lot of footballers, we produce a significant amount through our academy. It's a genuine career path and finishing school for footballers. Being a league 2 legend isn't really a thing either....we are talking about a league where the average footballer earns 40k a year. A lot of footballers in League 2 are journeymen, going from team to team. At Chelsea, they just have a long term contract to fall back on.