Anyone who thinks fans booing Sarri has a major impact in him leaving is deluded. If he leaves it is down to him being 60, struggling with the language, not being able to smoke and having a chance of a lifetime to take over Juventus. 

If he really loves the Prem and is still hugely motivated in winning the Prem he will stay with us. 

I think if he leaves he will leave because of the transfer ban combined with Juventus dream. 

He wanted to stay for three years but he is set back a season with the ban which should be a major downer. 

1 minute ago, evissy said:

Anyone who thinks fans booing Sarri has a major impact in him leaving is deluded. If he leaves it is down to him being 60, struggling with the language, not being able to smoke and having a chance of a lifetime to take over Juventus. 

If he really loves the Prem and is still hugely motivated in winning the Prem he will stay with us. 

I think if he leaves he will leave because of the transfer ban combined with Juventus dream. 

He wanted to stay for three years but he is set back a season with the ban which should be a major downer. 

There were boos at times but that was for a reason. Supporters don’t just show their disapproval because it’s fun.

As I said elsewhere I am broadly neutral but at times his lack of plan b and his terrible substitutions have had most of those I sit near scratching their heads.

Sari unfortunately is one dimensional meaning he doesn’t adapt as a game evolves there is almost an arrogance in that he sticks to his game plan irrespective of how the opposition adapt.

I went to Bournemouth and left early, I went to City and left earlier on both occasions he was shown up by coaches and in the game at Bournemouth by a switch that all of us saw coming. 

 

18 hours ago, coco said:

Your'e not really grasping whats going on when that happens, we don't just pass it back for the sake of it, we are trying to manipulate the opposition and open up spaces between them. Surely after a whole season of watching us try it you can recognise it by now ? Granted it doesn't look to confident when we do it, but slowly were doing it more and more successfully.

This is what Prime Italy did in the 90s and exactly what my post said I love. Youre the one not grasping here what is happening. Useless possession will always be useless. Tottenham had 65% possession tonight and who lifted the trophy? 

“Defensive, pragmatic” whatever football hipsters want to call it, counterattacking with a purpose and having a unmovable defense will always be better then Percentage style useless possession...  Pass back to CB, CB to Fullback, Fullback to CM, CM to CB.... rinse and repeat *yawn*....

 

 

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

Anyone who thinks fans booing Sarri has a major impact in him leaving is deluded. If he leaves it is down to him being 60, struggling with the language, not being able to smoke and having a chance of a lifetime to take over Juventus. 

If he really loves the Prem and is still hugely motivated in winning the Prem he will stay with us. 

I think if he leaves he will leave because of the transfer ban combined with Juventus dream. 

He wanted to stay for three years but he is set back a season with the ban which should be a major downer. 

I think it's a lack of desire from the board to keep him. Which is stemmed from the fans indifference to him. If the board had truly backed him, I don't think he'd be leaving. He thought there was a chance he'd be sacked even after coming 3rd, that's not what he signed up for. 

Also we can't excuse the board from the fact we have a ban. Because that does make it easier - why stay at a club that's such a shambles they can't sign players for a year. 

Shambles. 

I think I know why Sarri is stubborn. I think he believes his style of football needs to be 100% his style with no exceptions. Even if the players are not executing it well he doesn't change anything and thus accepts a loss even if we could win the game with more negative approach. He sees the bigger goal instead of winning this season. He is not a pragmatist he is a dreamer. His dream is to see us play his style and win playing that style.

At this level to achieve this is extremely hard. You could see last night Klopp ditched his normal style to defend deep and it worked. He didn't want to gamble the win in a final once more. He compromised or at least his players did.

What Sarri needs is time and backing from the club. If he doesn't get it he might as well leave. 

People will have differing opinions on Sarri, but I have always been Sarri in. He needed at least another season here regardless of the Europa league win. Winning that proved that he should absolutely have a second season. The improvements in our style of play, especially playing out from the back were noticeable. We play out from the back so comfortably, and under pressure I rarely saw us boot the ball up the field. Seeing Kante adapting to, and beginning to flourish in, the new position was great. Also, Sarri playing Loftus Cheek in his natural position and doing really well.

On top of this, Hazard having arguably his best ever season for us stats wise. It will be a bitter bill to swallow to see Sarri go, as I truly think he could have made us even better with another season if we had a transfer window. I really don't see where we go from here now. It will have to, once again, be another change of styles. I don't know who we will even go for. The clubs right now showing strength are the ones who have shown their coaches the time, patience and support over 3/4 seasons and we are witnessing the success now. 

10 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think it's a lack of desire from the board to keep him. Which is stemmed from the fans indifference to him. If the board had truly backed him, I don't think he'd be leaving. He thought there was a chance he'd be sacked even after coming 3rd, that's not what he signed up for. 

Also we can't excuse the board from the fact we have a ban. Because that does make it easier - why stay at a club that's such a shambles they can't sign players for a year. 

Shambles. 

The board also spent a whole summer chasing Sarri, on the belief that they were going to change their ways and stick by the coach, as well as Roman's desire for a change of style. They would have known about this potential ban well before they signed Sarri, so why did they bother to sign him and not just keep Conte? They paid out nearly 20m to secure/release two coaches.

After all this, we go and let him go 10 months later. Without the backing and support from the club, any manager will struggle here. We have seen it for the last 5 years at least. The club are not backing coaches for whatever reason. It's all well and good bringing in one of two players here and there, but they do this then sack the manager when he doesn't do well, which leads to again more disruption, style changes, and no stability in the side. The league is only getting stronger. Our rivals will strengthen this summer and we'll be left behind because of the illogical decision not to at least try have a transfer window to buy.  

Edited June 2, 20197 yr by enigma

I think the club would have supported Sarri in the summer if it was possible. 

12 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Conte's second season was the same as this season football wise, the football was bad. The season he won the league he played good counter attacking football which goes against rhe way Liverpool and City play so it shows it can be done.

I dont think it's fair to lable the first season as just being defensive, countee attacking football. Imho, it was a good mix of regular/normal football of getting enough men forward when you've got the ball, which as we know, that season included our excellent wing backs bombing forward, and men behind it when you dont have the ball. We attacked teams well, and yes, we also counter attacked. There were also games when we were off it, but the team dug in and scratched and fought their way to get reults typified by Costa who had a great ability to get the team and fans going in such games. The team also played with great passion, which refected the manager that season.

24 minutes ago, evissy said:

I think I know why Sarri is stubborn. I think he believes his style of football needs to be 100% his style with no exceptions. Even if the players are not executing it well he doesn't change anything and thus accepts a loss even if we could win the game with more negative approach. He sees the bigger goal instead of winning this season. He is not a pragmatist he is a dreamer. His dream is to see us play his style and win playing that style.

At this level to achieve this is extremely hard. You could see last night Klopp ditched his normal style to defend deep and it worked. He didn't want to gamble the win in a final once more. He compromised or at least his players did.

What Sarri needs is time and backing from the club. If he doesn't get it he might as well leave. 

Exactly this. Sarri has talked about implementing his style and that being key. Hes talked about planning to use a small squad to achieve this. 

Why waste anytime by playing a different formation when things aren't going well. 

If he broke his stubbornness he may as well quit. Once the system is in place, change it up when necessary. That's what pep did, he was stubborn in the first year. Now he's pragmatic because the system is embedded. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Anyone who thinks fans booing Sarri has a major impact in him leaving is deluded. If he leaves it is down to him being 60, struggling with the language, not being able to smoke and having a chance of a lifetime to take over Juventus. 

If he really loves the Prem and is still hugely motivated in winning the Prem he will stay with us. 

I think if he leaves he will leave because of the transfer ban combined with Juventus dream. 

He wanted to stay for three years but he is set back a season with the ban which should be a major downer. 

You might have hit a nail on the head. Sarri hasn't got to grips with the PL, at times he's looked overwhelmed by the intensity of it and maybe there's part of him that feels his game is more suited elsewhere. 

Am I the only one that finds it a bit distasteful that Sarri would automatically get in Juventus?
For all that he represents in Napoli, this move would be worse for those fans than Higuain doing the "if you can't beat them join them"...

Allegri on the other hand is a great manager and a clear upgrade from Sarri...

1 hour ago, Hazard STAY said:

This is what Prime Italy did in the 90s and exactly what my post said I love. Youre the one not grasping here what is happening. Useless possession will always be useless. Tottenham had 65% possession tonight and who lifted the trophy? 

“Defensive, pragmatic” whatever football hipsters want to call it, counterattacking with a purpose and having a unmovable defense will always be better then Percentage style useless possession...  Pass back to CB, CB to Fullback, Fullback to CM, CM to CB.... rinse and repeat *yawn*....

 

 

I get where your coming from however we’ve been subjected to counter attacking tactics for so long now our support has become radicalised. ( this style of football brought home the bacon and was exiting to watch at times- Duff, Robben- but was mostly dull IMO )

JM’s on record saying that the team without the ball is more dangerous than the team in possession. Bollox in my opinion but each to their own

So who's the replacement now frank?

Can't wait for the season to start to see what we look like

8 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I get where your coming from however we’ve been subjected to counter attacking tactics for so long now our support has become radicalised. ( this style of football brought home the bacon and was exiting to watch at times- Duff, Robben- but was mostly dull IMO )

JM’s on record saying that the team without the ball is more dangerous than the team in possession. Bollox in my opinion but each to their own

It is definetly easier to be more dangerous without the ball. You need certain type players to play like City. 

Fact is the fans are impatient. We have no experience (Roman era) in having a project even for 3 seasons to go from A to B. That is in fact the Chelsea-way. 

2 hours ago, wallosh said:

I think having the ball most times and passing it around to get more possession without much threatening the opposition is what some people find exciting about our games this season.

Shots per game for the season....

All we needed was a 25+ goal scorer up front to convert possession into goals.

I really enjoyed us taking the game to arsenal in a cup final, its something we have really seen at chelsea for a long time. Usually we tend to keep it tight and take our chances on the counter. 

That being said i have no real preference for how we play as long as it is executed well. 

If we can build a tough defence, that is lethal on the counter, and can cause problems for any team, then great. 

If we can build a team that dominate possession and score goals at the end of long intricate passing sequences, then id love to that too. 

The trouble is we dont commit to either style, so the football has been pretty turgid for large parts of 3 out of the last 4 seasons. 

Out of the 3 managers linked to replace to sarri, Allegri is the other end of the spectrum to sarri, Blanc is bang in middle, but has been out of football for 3 years, and Lampard hasnt really been managing long enough to fall in any category yet. 

Not sure where we headed on the style front now. It go either way.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Anyone who thinks fans booing Sarri has a major impact in him leaving is deluded. If he leaves it is down to him being 60, struggling with the language, not being able to smoke and having a chance of a lifetime to take over Juventus. 

If he really loves the Prem and is still hugely motivated in winning the Prem he will stay with us. 

I think if he leaves he will leave because of the transfer ban combined with Juventus dream. 

He wanted to stay for three years but he is set back a season with the ban which should be a major downer. 

nail head hit.  Why people have to assume its because of the board or fans is really grating on me. We'd all like to see how a second season would have turned out, but we wont fall out of top 4 just because Sarri has gone.  He's being made out to be a lot better than he is.  And the Sarri 'cult' on Twitter are f**king embarrassing, sad acts

What if his wife wants to go back to Italy and thats where the 'family reasons' reports are coming from? What if Sarri just prefers Italy and Serie A, afterall that is his country, where he still has a home.   What if he thinks Juventus are better than us and would just rather manage them? Maybe all that plus more money is what he'd prefer.   Or he always wanted to go back to Serie A depending on the offer; but rather than go straight from Napoli to another, he experienced a different league first. 

Just because he thinks we played like his team in the final or says he loves the prem and England, does not mean he is 100% staying.  More fool those people for being gullible.   Take everything said by managers or players in public, with a pinch of salt when it comes to rumours.

Obviously he could still stay, nothing is ever certain until they're unveiled officially, but if he goes it's not our fault or the clubs, it's just a career choice. 

 

Edited June 2, 20197 yr by RickUK

CarefreeYouth on twitter reckons it will be official inside a day or two. He flew to Italy to talk to Juventus yesterday according to him.

Well Sarri is gone. Banging on about the same points on why he is leaving over and over again is pointless since we have nailed down all the possible reasons already. 

Focus should turn to our next manager and the squad for next season. Once again top 4 will be our aim seems like thats the best we can do these days. I am not expecting the board to put any thought into the next appointment or future signings. Coutinho is being chased imagine spending Hazard money on him. Feel emotionally detached from the club and people who think we will keep winning trophies carrying on like this will realise that the reason why we kept winning despite managers being turned over was because of the players we had. Drogba/Cech/Lampard and Hazard after them carrying us. We have no one in this team who can lead or on Hazards level now. 

Funny how we look amazing when winning a title (on highlights!) against a transition year in actual time. Contes second season was awful to watch, that style of football just doesn't cut it anymore. 
Anyway, no Sarri in fan thinks we've been playing great, why do so many people think that's the argument! That's not what anyone says. I think we've improved during the season and I think we've become exciting at times. But was really excited to see what could happen next year with a full pre season. 

The point is we were more exciting to watch under Conte than this just concluded season under Sarri. In fact, since January, am always nervous in every EPL game we play because I know if by any way the opposition score ahead of us, it's almost certainly a game over. I wasn't that anxious under Conte.

12 minutes ago, wallosh said:

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Funny how we look amazing when winning a title (on highlights!) against a transition year in actual time. Contes second season was awful to watch, that style of football just doesn't cut it anymore. 
Anyway, no Sarri in fan thinks we've been playing great, why do so many people think that's the argument! That's not what anyone says. I think we've improved during the season and I think we've become exciting at times. But was really excited to see what could happen next year with a full pre season. 

The point is we were more exciting to watch under Conte than this just concluded season under Sarri. In fact, since January, am always nervous in every EPL game we play because I know if by any way the opposition score ahead of us, it's almost certainly a game over. I wasn't that anxious under Conte.

So you were more anxious this year than under Conte last year? How.

Before he started we just wanted CL football, and maybe a trophy.

Before we won the Europa he was taunted for no silverware.

Post Europa it's all about entertainment......

1 hour ago, Ewell CFC said:

I get where your coming from however we’ve been subjected to counter attacking tactics for so long now our support has become radicalised. ( this style of football brought home the bacon and was exiting to watch at times- Duff, Robben- but was mostly dull IMO )

JM’s on record saying that the team without the ball is more dangerous than the team in possession. Bollox in my opinion but each to their own

This season has been such a joy to watch 

Biggest problem I have at the moment is we will replace Sarri with a manager we will sack next year if (when) we come 6th. 
Frank / Allegri / blanc / whoever
This cycle will repeat and we won't be any nearer breaking it which is what we need to do if we are going to compete with the two clubs at the top of the league.
Hopefully I'm proved wrong. But I'm worried we hire Frank and sack him. He needs to be given assurances we will stick by him long term. The cycle of sacking and hiring managers for short term success is over. The club's above us are too good.
 

If Sarri stays, I can put my money on him being sacked before the end of the season. So what's your point? Stop acting like Sarri staying will win us the EPL title next season.