Piss poor performance, far too many errors in defensive areas and for some reason we have decided to try to walk the ball in. Central defenders and keeper need to seriously look at themselves and the Azpi experiment at LB isn't working.  Not a great cameo from CHO who needs to step up a bit when coming on from the bench. January window approaches and some of our players should be worried for their places.

3 minutes ago, Wearyourblue said:

Frank trying to force Mount in the starting 11 when he shouldn't be, our midfield of Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho is a strength to play.

Play Kante as the attacking player of the 3 and we lose the defensive shield from midfield. 

Trending now on betfred#

Lamps to sacked?

Really? You seen our form since the break? 

What has that to do with this point? The claim that Jorginho wasn't in Lampard's plans is clearing daft when you see that Lampard was starting him in every game. Each time he was hooked becayse he was playing poorly, as were others. Eventually Frank dropped him. Fair enough if you play poorly in consecutive games and there are other options to try.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jorginho wasn't in Frank's plans but be was started in all those games because he won the card game on the bus.

Just now, coco said:

Kepa should but booting it up the pitch, last 10 mins, two strikers up front, and he passes to Zoumas back, then blames Zouma, what a slapstick keeper.

We do this far too much when we've got Tammy up front who is very good in the air. Just creates problems for ourselves. 

Kepa is the most expensive goal keeper in history

4 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

The defenders caused this goals today, it’s on them.

Evertons keeper didn’t make any saves of note either but he doesn’t have the chuckle brothers in front of him 

A season is more than a day. Can you genuinely say that Kepa hasn’t made an inordinate amount of errors for a top six keeper this season?

2 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

The defence has been a obvious issue since pre season, it’s now nearly Christmas and they are still making several ridiculous mistakes in games. It’s not improving as you will see when you see our goals against  

A few months is never going to be enough and, besides, we are missing a key player in Rudy.  Of course they are making mistakes - we have an inexperienced manager and team. 

3 defeats in our last 4.

Just now, ZouMan said:

Kepa is the most expensive goal keeper in history

Yeah, he costs us a lot these days.

Just now, loz said:

What has that to do with this point? The claim that Jorginho wasn't in Lampard's plans is clearing daft when you see that Lampard was starting him in every game. Each time he was hooked becayse he was playing poorly, as were others. Eventually Frank dropped him. Fair enough if you play poorly in consecutive games and there are other options to try.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jorginho wasn't in Frank's plans but be was started in all those games because he won the card game on the bus.

Frank changed his role and slowly took him away from his plans. This is very evident since the international break, Jorginho suddenly didn't look like a key player anymore, Frank changed his key role to a bench player.

I think both the cbs are. Not good enough.. AC cannot win a single header and zouma doesn’t tackle pass or position and then Kepa is average.. all 3 IMO are Everton quality not Chelsea quality.. 

 

frank made an error by starting Azpilicueta on Lb .. offers nothing going forward and not adding much at the back too.. ruined the weekend .. want to hide my head in sand..

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

I'm all for blaming kepa when he has a poor game or makes mistakes, but he couldn't have closed his legs any more or positioned himself better for that, it was unpredictable and with two men marking him, that ball should have been ours. 

Floated ball into the 6 yd box for the first, he should be clearing all in front of him for that and a comedy of errors for the third, get the simple pass out correct and the errors afterwards doesn't happen. Apart from that he did ok I suppose.

Not sure why Frank went with 4-2-3-1 today, 2 v 2 in midfield is a recipe for a defensive shambles.

I simply can't tolerate this.  I know the season is tough with highs and lows and we are rebuilding.  But regression is beyond painful, and the way we lost to West Ham and Everton shows a real lack of character.  This rests with Lampard - he is now picking the wrong 2-3 players for games and we are being exploited.

Dave - great servant, but sorry, bench player now.  If he can't hold down RB he should not play LB.  He offers nothing.  Every time he receives the ball he cuts back with a square 5 yard pass. 

Christensen - I don't recall him winning a single aerial duel today.  When he jumps he is looking at the attacker and not the ball.  He is absolutely wet for a CB.

Kepa - I don't know what to say.  Put the pass aside, we should have stopped that.  But the entire season has been way below standard.  He simply does not do his single job of stopping goals.  Does not offer any presence or leadership to the defence and it ripples.  When you see Allison play for Liverpool, well hes a man, but with Kepa we have a boy.

Zouma - can't fault his effort this season, and puts himself on the line.  But just not a leader or does not have the quality we need long term.  Squad player for sure.

Willian / Mount / Pulisic / Abraham - you have to shoot.  Just please shoot.  The front four really get exploited when our defense continues to let us down

Nice goal Kova, and performance.  Kante industrious as ever and always a great player, but think he did swap his left and right boots today. 

If Rudiger can stand, lace his boots, and speak, play him.  Just have him stand on the penalty spot.

Edited December 7, 20196 yr by PhilH930

Frank changed his role and slowly took him away from his plans. This is very evident since the international break, Jorginho suddenly didn't look like a key player anymore, Frank changed his key role to a bench player.

He benched him because he was playing badly! It happens.

Its laughable to say he wasn't in the plans when he was starting matches. He then got hooked because of his performance. He doesn't get a veto from being subbed!

Jorginho should be playing

Mount isn't good enough

Kepa is a fraud 

Willian back in his natural form

Abraham may aswell have been on holiday 

3 minutes ago, Dr Gonzo said:

Wonder what's happened with CHO he looks so short of confidence.

He has not been the same player since his injury. Same thing happened to Michael Owen after he started to have the hamstring problems. Don't get me wrong he still had a good career, but that early Owen was like lightning. The test is now becuase its not just about pace, you have to be able to play as well. CHO probably needs a run but you've got to earn your place as well.

This team doesn’t function without Jorginho this should be clear now 

May be a knee jerk reaction but can we sign a goalkeeper in January please?

Awful all over today. Our form has nose dived since the international break. The attack was saving the defense a month ago, but now that our attacking play has gone flat, the defense is really being exposed.

Since Jorginho's form dipped and he ended up getting dropped, our attack has turned to sh*t. He was the one that got us ticking, even if he wasn't great defensively. Lampard needs to find a way to get him on the pitch without losing that defensive shield in midfield.

Just now, loz said:

He benched him because he was playing badly! It happens.

Its laughable to say he wasn't in the plans when he was starting matches. He then got hooked because of his performance. He doesn't get a veto from being subbed!
 

He didn't play poorly just because, his role in the squad changed. This is what happen, you don't suddenly stop playing 1-2 with Jorginho unless Frank is doing something else in practice. You are missing the cause and effect. 

16 minutes ago, cuppaT said:

We lose against any side with more than 3 good players. When does the good patch start?

the win against amsterdam ? and the 4 4 too ? the 6 wins in a row ? the fact a team mostly comprised of U23 are actually in good position to qualify for the R16 of the UCL ? the fact that the defeats vs the two OP teams that are pool and city were really harsh on the team and 2 draws would have been deserved ? I l mean I understand most people here only react on the heat of the moment after a 3rd defeat in 4 games. And I also agree that the defense is not good at all and it's becoming really problematic. Also agree that kepa is far from his best tot say the least ... But isn't that supposed to happen when up until yesterday, chelsea were banned from recruiting anyone ? Or that the team is REBUILDING and that the team is : still in the UCL, fighting for top 4 ? I mean some people need to reevalute their expectations and accept that the mourinho years are long gone now ...

 

Also : arsenal are 10th, spurs are 8th (ok they won 2 games for the first time in a month, but that tells you of how poor they really are) man utd are dead men walking against the likes of sheffield utd ... Really it could have been much worse for the team. top 4 is tough sh*t. UCL is tough sh*t. Rudiger and RLC still injured. Kanté has just recovered from a huge injury (it was way worse than most believed. Kanté almost missed 2 months of games). The club can buy this january. Abraham is experiencing a rough patch too like any striker of his age at some point at top level would too .... No really some people should calm down. Although they need to show up big time tuesday, I believe this team can do better in the future.

 

Edited December 7, 20196 yr by Londonisblue

Well that teaches us if only seasons end in  oct then.. top teams or our teams of the past too had comedy days... but this was shambolic .. 

7 minutes ago, loz said:

What has that to do with this point? The claim that Jorginho wasn't in Lampard's plans is clearing daft when you see that Lampard was starting him in every game. Each time he was hooked becayse he was playing poorly, as were others. Eventually Frank dropped him. Fair enough if you play poorly in consecutive games and there are other options to try.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jorginho wasn't in Frank's plans but be was started in all those games because he won the card game on the bus.

So you think our form has improved since lampard fulfilled his plan to drop Jorginho? Ffs we’ve been terrible since he did it and if you can’t admit it then that’s on you. I don’t know what plans you speak of but since he stopped starting him after the break we’ve won one game lost three and drawn one. 

Edited December 7, 20196 yr by IndianaBlue85