Declared fit for Newcastle hopefully our top assister can get us another cheeky assist 😉 who knows maybe we'll reinvent Timo as a top class playmaker

I am being honest him and Havertz are two of the most annoying players this season. All of this fans screaming, we don't play them correctly piss me off because when they play their natural role, they look good,when they don't they lool awful. Man, i thought they are supposed to superstar but freaking good is simply not good enough when the team have to cater to you, you need be at least great but spectacular is the word. 

 

 

43 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I am being honest him and Havertz are two of the most annoying players this season. All of this fans screaming, we don't play them correctly piss me off because when they play their natural role, they look good,when they don't they lool awful. Man, i thought they are supposed to superstar but freaking good is simply not good enough when the team have to cater to you, you need be at least great but spectacular is the word. 

 

I don't understand this lack of patient from some fans,  I understand a lot of money was invested into the players key word invested but that doesn't mean they were guaranteed to hit the ground running. They were brought in primarily for the future but also with a hope they could help us succeed in the present.

The most important thing is to look at the context of why they aren't performing as well as some of us had hoped.

Let's ignore covid, playing in a new league with a new team and a different style of play these are the explanations we have used since the start of the season.

I want to address this point about their supposed versatility, Havertz has played box to box 8, CAM, false 9, RW/RM/RA and left Fwd (floating 10) under Tuchel. Werner has played LW, LF, CF, SS, RW and CAM this season. 

Now I'm no expert but it can't be easy adapting to a new league being shuffled about so much. One of the reasons these players were brought were for their versatility that doesn't mean that should be the main focus and partially this is where lamps went wrong.

Rather than change his formation for them he spent most of his time trying to make them play in his formation fair enough but it didn't work, not to say he didn't try to play them in their favoured positions but injuries throughout the squad also hampered this.

This is by all accounts the hardest league in the world, Kai is a 21 year old expecting him to be performing a bit better is fine but anyone who thought he would come in and dominate needs a reality check. Hazard was an exceptional case. People point to Kai's price tag but that's irrelevant we payed for what he could be not what he is right now.

Werner is a different case he's 24 people are bound to expect more which is fair. However, you can complain he might not have adapted his game to suit the team (which I think he has).

But it begs the question why pay 50m on a player and then fail to utilise his strengths? What was the plan expect him to score 30 goals a season like last year in a completely different system because he's a 'world class prospect'?

He's a speed demon but doesn't get played in 1v1 nearly as often as he needs.I think the slump in form is just the reality of us buying the shiny toy in the shop but not reading the instructions and wondering why we can't get it to work.

6 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

I don't understand this lack of patient from some fans,  I understand a lot of money was invested into the players key word invested but that doesn't mean they were guaranteed to hit the ground running. They were brought in primarily for the future but also with a hope they could help us succeed in the present.

The most important thing is to look at the context of why they aren't performing as well as some of us had hoped.

Let's ignore covid, playing in a new league with a new team and a different style of play these are the explanations we have used since the start of the season.

I want to address this point about their supposed versatility, Havertz has played box to box 8, CAM, false 9, RW/RM/RA and left Fwd (floating 10) under Tuchel. Werner has played LW, LF, CF, SS, RW and CAM this season. 

Now I'm no expert but it can't be easy adapting to a new league being shuffled about so much. One of the reasons these players were brought were for their versatility that doesn't mean that should be the main focus and partially this is where lamps went wrong.

Rather than change his formation for them he spent most of his time trying to make them play in his formation fair enough but it didn't work, not to say he didn't try to play them in their favoured positions but injuries throughout the squad also hampered this.

This is by all accounts the hardest league in the world, Kai is a 21 year old expecting him to be performing a bit better is fine but anyone who thought he would come in and dominate needs a reality check. Hazard was an exceptional case. People point to Kai's price tag but that's irrelevant we payed for what he could be not what he is right now.

Werner is a different case he's 24 people are bound to expect more which is fair. However, you can complain he might not have adapted his game to suit the team (which I think he has).

But it begs the question why pay 50m on a player and then fail to utilise his strengths? What was the plan expect him to score 30 goals a season like last year in a completely different system because he's a 'world class prospect'?

He's a speed demon but doesn't get played in 1v1 nearly as often as he needs.I think the slump in form is just the reality of us buying the shiny toy in the shop but not reading the instructions and wondering why we can't get it to work.

Turn off,Turn on,

Install Werner 2.0,

Use better batteries.

If product is still faulty, wrap securely and return to our sales department, for attempted refund..

No exchange for the Haaland is permissible at this present time😜

Edited February 14, 20215 yr by Ballack & Blu

10 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

I don't understand this lack of patient from some fans,  I understand a lot of money was invested into the players key word invested but that doesn't mean they were guaranteed to hit the ground running. They were brought in primarily for the future but also with a hope they could help us succeed in the present.

The most important thing is to look at the context of why they aren't performing as well as some of us had hoped.

Let's ignore covid, playing in a new league with a new team and a different style of play these are the explanations we have used since the start of the season.

I want to address this point about their supposed versatility, Havertz has played box to box 8, CAM, false 9, RW/RM/RA and left Fwd (floating 10) under Tuchel. Werner has played LW, LF, CF, SS, RW and CAM this season. 

Now I'm no expert but it can't be easy adapting to a new league being shuffled about so much. One of the reasons these players were brought were for their versatility that doesn't mean that should be the main focus and partially this is where lamps went wrong.

Rather than change his formation for them he spent most of his time trying to make them play in his formation fair enough but it didn't work, not to say he didn't try to play them in their favoured positions but injuries throughout the squad also hampered this.

This is by all accounts the hardest league in the world, Kai is a 21 year old expecting him to be performing a bit better is fine but anyone who thought he would come in and dominate needs a reality check. Hazard was an exceptional case. People point to Kai's price tag but that's irrelevant we payed for what he could be not what he is right now.

Werner is a different case he's 24 people are bound to expect more which is fair. However, you can complain he might not have adapted his game to suit the team (which I think he has).

But it begs the question why pay 50m on a player and then fail to utilise his strengths? What was the plan expect him to score 30 goals a season like last year in a completely different system because he's a 'world class prospect'?

He's a speed demon but doesn't get played in 1v1 nearly as often as he needs.I think the slump in form is just the reality of us buying the shiny toy in the shop but not reading the instructions and wondering why we can't get it to work.

I don't care if they don't hit they ground running. I have major doubt on how to them fit into the team before we signed them but it's not important I don't see us signing superstar when we signed them. With werner I see good fast striker that can only play in two st format, Havertz as young player with massive potential. 

My frustration comes down to we need to build around them nonsense and cater the team to their strength. Why? Have they shown anything that tell me ahh we need to build around these two guys? Nope. 

13 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I don't care if they don't hit they ground running. I have major doubt on how to them fit into the team before we signed them but it's not important I don't see us signing superstar when we signed them. With werner I see good fast striker that can only play in two st format, Havertz as young player with massive potential. 

My frustration comes down to we need to build around them nonsense and cater the team to their strength. Why? Have they shown anything that tell me ahh we need to build around these two guys? Nope. 

 

Then who do you think we should build the team around? We don't have any stand out players

 

3 hours ago, Deino said:

Then who do you think we should build the team around? We don't have any stand out players

I don't know long term wise but this season, it is as simple just play whoever is in form and show that they are better. In our case mount and cho. Play Mount as am/attacking cm, cho as rw/lw, and adjust the rest of the team based on opp. 

4 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

 

I don't know long term wise but this season, it is as simple just play whoever is in form and show that they are better. In our case mount and cho. Play Mount as am/attacking cm, cho as rw/lw, and adjust the rest of the team based on opp. 

I think it’s under appreciated just how difficult football has been since the return after lockdown in the summer. Playing every three or four days will have fatigue effects along with the muscular injuries it will bring. All players and clubs will suffer at differing times in this strange season and playing those in form and building around them makes perfect sense. 

17 hours ago, Bob stark said:

My frustration comes down to we need to build around them nonsense and cater the team to their strength. 

Building a team around a single player is daft, almost as daft as spending sh*t loads of money on a player and giving up on him half way through the season.

He'll probably start today and I wouldn't be surprised if he scored. He's building up to a goal with his recent performances an assist, making runs and winning penalties. Fingers crossed today is the day!

Edited February 15, 20215 yr by LongtimerLurker

On 07/02/2021 at 22:11, Gol15 said:

Looking better, MOTM with 2 assists.

Another MOTM game but most importantly - A GOAL! Finally! 

1 goal and 3 assists in 2 games. Tuchel is doing something right.

He's definitely doing a lot better, still though, and it goes without saying, he has to be better in front of goal, had two good chances in the game there and squandered them. 

Two MoTM running and well deserved, i still don't think the players play him in often enough, and his Goalscoring position will be Just left of centre, not as a winger, even though his pace and crossing are producing the goods, i want to see him attacking the goal more...

Haven't been that worried about his goal drought for these reasons.

A) He wasn't down the middle for most of it.

B ) He was still contributing with top class contributions, first goal tonight, SHU away, Spurs away, WHU home, Leeds away, Newcastle away where he made top contributions to a goal during his drought.

I thought he would score today, he had two chances which he missed but the movement was good. Especially themovement for his goal which was very smart. He noticed the space at the back post, spun and arrived just as the ball came.

To some it might seem like a lucky goal, maybe it was but its the vision to see the space and attack that he does time and time again. Now the team are starting to look for him more and exploit the space in front of him when he makes these runs.

Edited February 15, 20215 yr by LongtimerLurker

I don't know if it's Tuchel or him but his game is clearly being reinvented at the moment. 

He is no longer just a speed merchant that finishes goals. His overall play has changed to more of a supporting role.

That said, he needs to start cutting one in and shoot. It'll add a huge difference to his overall game. 

Will be interesting to see how Timo handles the tough fixtures coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if he kicks on after that performance/goal last night, he looked happy and confident in the post match interview.

40 minutes ago, coco said:

Will be interesting to see how Timo handles the tough fixtures coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if he kicks on after that performance/goal last night, he looked happy and confident in the post match interview.

It would definitely be a great time for his to get scoring again!

There are three players in the team that is at best at attacking that left channel so you need to produce big time like what Hazard has done for us and what Pulisic produced last season

Werner has produced number but that is not good enough, he need to be more clinical otherwise sit on the bench, there are two other players that want this spot. 

Yet another game, yet another subpar performance.

 

God, he really does fit into our recent form of fielding weirdly flawed players, doesn't he?

 

Alonso - the wing-back who can't run - can't defend in any meaningful way, but is the best finisher in the team;

Jorginho - the static holding midfielder with no presence off the ball, but who also provides zero incision in possession;

Kovačić - three seasons in and it's still not particularly clear what it is he does - great when he does do 'it', a total liability when he doesn't;

Barkley - the wonderful natural talent, oddly adaptable for an Englishman, great instincts - a disaster when he's ever allowed to think;

Willian - the attacking midfielder who will never contribute to a goal - practically flawless in every other aspect of his play, fundamental to the function of the team somehow;

Werner - the forward with great urgency and great work rate who can't kick a ball.

 

5 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

God, he really does fit into our recent form of fielding weirdly flawed players, doesn't he?

 

Alonso - the wing-back who can't run - can't defend in any meaningful way, but is the best finisher in the team;

Jorginho - the static holding midfielder with no presence off the ball, but who also provides zero incision in possession;

Kovačić - three seasons in and it's still not particularly clear what it is he does - great when he does do 'it', a total liability when he doesn't;

Barkley - the wonderful natural talent, oddly adaptable for an Englishman, great instincts - a disaster when he's ever allowed to think;

Willian - the attacking midfielder who will never contribute to a goal - practically flawless in every other aspect of his play, fundamental to the function of the team somehow;

Werner - the forward with great urgency and great work rate who can't kick a ball.

 

Deserved more than just a "like".

 

Edited February 20, 20215 yr by Nibs

One thing is for sure, even if Werner finds his scoring boots again one day he has to improve his first touch and passing drastically in order to be a key player for us going forward. The amount of bad touches during a game is unreal and his passing is just not reliable enough either. All he has proven so far is that he can run fast and puts in effort which is really not enough for a 50m striker.

25 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

God, he really does fit into our recent form of fielding weirdly flawed players, doesn't he?

 

Alonso - the wing-back who can't run - can't defend in any meaningful way, but is the best finisher in the team;

Jorginho - the static holding midfielder with no presence off the ball, but who also provides zero incision in possession;

Kovačić - three seasons in and it's still not particularly clear what it is he does - great when he does do 'it', a total liability when he doesn't;

Barkley - the wonderful natural talent, oddly adaptable for an Englishman, great instincts - a disaster when he's ever allowed to think;

Willian - the attacking midfielder who will never contribute to a goal - practically flawless in every other aspect of his play, fundamental to the function of the team somehow;

Werner - the forward with great urgency and great work rate who can't kick a ball.

 

Fecking hell. Spot on!