7 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Given the only attacking threat of the match was 1 winger I personally don’t mind us investing in our attack. But yeah we definitely need at least 2 defenders this window

 

Both wingers looked good after a little while.  Of course it's my understanding that Willian's contract is up and he hasn't signed a new one.

Edited July 1, 20206 yr by Valpo

5 minutes ago, Dr Gonzo said:

Cannot wait for Timo and Ziyech next season!

Why does this matter if we can't defend? The Havertz talk needs to stop. We need defenders and a new goalkeeper. 

1 minute ago, Jangz said:

i dont agree on the banging on .its a simple question - which of these are not individual errors ? I agree about the corners but they have been bad since Sarri was here .  My question is specific to the game.. how would any amount of coaching change that?

No one covering back posts, no cover too high up when attacking, not picking up a man or an area of the pitch, our CB not even in the 6 yard box when defending a corner, giving 5’10 Azpi their biggest players and Christensen  picking the easiest man, Showing attackers into their strong foot...

Thats all learned on the training ground, everybody knows their job it becomes second nature 

Can we bring Terry back as a defensive coach? We’ve got Lamps but he’s really needing some help at the back. 

7 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

It hurts me to say this but I’m jealous of the way Man Utd are improving under Ole.  They pass and move quickly and look so dangerous while being solid at the back.  I worry about the FA cup game.

They splashed out on the best cb available. We need to do same 

We should have settled for a point. It obviously wasn’t our night. 

Honestly I’m still puzzled how Tammy didn’t clear off the line, he missed the ball completely and fell over.

There was nobody near him and the header wasn’t even that powerful.

6 minutes ago, Jangz said:

i dont agree on the banging on .its a simple question - which of these are not individual errors ? I agree about the corners but they have been bad since Sarri was here .  My question is specific to the game.. how would any amount of coaching change that?

You can train individual errors away you know...we couldn't keep a stable possession whole game and in the end lost it and got punished for it, our strikers barely got to feel the ball today while Antonio looked like a tank that could do whatever he wanted. Moyes was at the Leicester game he scouted us and won this game tactically against Lampard.

The biggest threat for them were the crosses of Willian and Alonso, as soon as Pulisic starts running they chop him down, that resulted in 2 goals for us, that's not training we simply have a talented player like Pulisic who can make things happen and Willian that sometimes just shows up. We could have lost this game with a little less luck with a much worse scoreline.

Edited July 1, 20206 yr by Gol15

Just now, ChitownBlue said:

Why does this matter if we can't defend? The Havertz talk needs to stop. We need defenders and a new goalkeeper. 

We'd at least create more going forward, at the moment it's pass around at the back. Get it out wide and whip in a cross to no-one

Honestly, Wolves and United look in a far better position to secure top 4 than us and Leicester 

7 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

It hurts me to say this but I’m jealous of the way Man Utd are improving under Ole.  They pass and move quickly and look so dangerous while being solid at the back.  I worry about the FA cup game.

Difference is Ole is selecting the correct team, Lampard isn't, he was before the break and we were better than United currently are.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Can we bring Terry back as a defensive coach? We’ve got Lamps but he’s really needing some help at the back. 

Villa are in the process of getting relegated. Their defence is as poor as ours

Lampard keeps messing with the team and tinkering with it. It doesn’t help things. 

i tried to calm down but i am still furious, the reality is we have a group of spineless players with no leaders in this group, and it will stay like that for years. how i miss JT !!

We are light years away from top 3 unless we completely change our defense.. and it is my personal opinion that Frank lacks tactical knowledge and experience to bring us to the top. not in the near future at least.

Unfortunate start for the new kit as well losing to this lot, embarrassing all around

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

You can train individual errors away you know...we couldn't keep a stable possession whole game

Almost as if a regista is crucial to ball retention, color me shocked!

2 minutes ago, Jangz said:

i dont agree on the banging on .its a simple question - which of these are not individual errors ? I agree about the corners but they have been bad since Sarri was here .  My question is specific to the game.. how would any amount of coaching change that?

Jangz, the manager picks the team. He picks the system to mitigate the individual errors. He also makes the changes during the game. Take the last goal, blind Freddy could see that Antonio was always winning the first ball on Christensen and that was the way they would get at us. In that situation Frank can:

- Bring Zouma on to win more of the first balls

- Instruct Christensen to foul him if he can't win the challenge

- Have more than 2 or 3 players behind the ball so we can win the second ball.

None of those things happened. Now that's fine, you make a decision in the moment and sometimes as a young manager you get it right and sometimes you dont. But let's not pretend he holds no responsibility. 

3 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

You are clearly unable to analyse football games if you cannot see the sheer lack of organisation we have from set plays and defending in general.
 

You’re really struggling to understand this aren’t you? So for you, every single corner and set piece against us this season has been an individual error? So you don’t think there’s a flaw in the overall plan if that keeps happening on EVERY defensive set play?

 

If you want to bury your head in the sand and act like Frank and Jody’s grandma and defend everything they do, be my guest. But they’re at fault for how weak we are defensively at set pieces.

i think i will not dignify the majority of your post with a response since laced with personal attacks.. 

the only question i asked you was which of the goals today were not down to individual errors.. which you ignored.. so once you are want to respond to that.. we can have a conversation.. else we will just let it rest.

I don't think we played badly just didn't create enough good chances and Moyes got his last sub right.

Just feel it was slack not having Kante back with the CBs to stop the counter attack.

 

I didn’t think that we would win all of our remaining games but with Liverpool and Wolves still to play, it is going to be tough to get top 4. I said before this game that one slip up from any of the top 4 makes a huge difference. That slip up has been us tonight 

Just now, JM7 said:

Lampard keeps messing with the team and tinkering with it. It doesn’t help things. 

But every team is having to do this because of the number of games.  The players are supposed to be top professionals being paid top dollar because they are the cream of the crop. Each one of them should be able to slip into the overall framework at any time.

We could well be 6th by the time we play on Saturday

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Almost as if a regista is crucial to ball retention, color me shocked!

Remember how much sh*t he was giving you the other day for pointing this out? Now earlier in the thread he said the last 3 results were papering over the cracks, oh the irony... 

3 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

They splashed out on the best cb available. We need to do same 

Do you mean Maguire? The guy turns slower than a canal barge and Lindeloff has the physical stature of Christensen if he went to the gym once.

4 minutes ago, Jangz said:

i think i will not dignify the majority of your post with a response since laced with personal attacks.. 

the only question i asked you was which of the goals today were not down to individual errors.. which you ignored.. so once you are want to respond to that.. we can have a conversation.. else we will just let it rest.

There’s not a single personal attack in my post. 
 

Multiple people have tried to explain this and you refuse to or are unable to understand so you’re right. Best to leave it there.

5 minutes ago, SFL82 said:

No one covering back posts, no cover too high up when attacking, not picking up a man or an area of the pitch, our CB not even in the 6 yard box when defending a corner, giving 5’10 Azpi their biggest players and Christensen  picking the easiest man, Showing attackers into their strong foot...

Thats all learned on the training ground, everybody knows their job it becomes second nature 

didnt we have tammy covering the back post .. till he fluffed his lines.. ? 

Agree on Azpi covering the big lad.. 

Not letting Yaramelenko come on the his favored foot.. was on Rudi.. I am sure that information is given to players.. My reading is that Rudi panicked and was worried about getting caught in a 2v1 .. since Christensen didnt take out the man he lost..

-- having said that the play preceding the first goal or when AC lost his man for the second or the keeper jumping out where much bigger contributors to the goals which were individual errors