31 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

More like the difference is the level of opposition. The only reason why they didn't score more goals was because De Gea pulled off 2 or 3 brilliant saves again. Burnley are a team fighting relegation, not a team trying to finish in the top 4. 

If we had 16 shots away to United with 68% possession and won 2-0, I would be over the moon. 

You also need to factor in when City scored their goals. They scored their goals at crucial moments. An early goal and a goal before half time are perfect times to score goals, it puts you complete control. Today, we had about 5 good chances in the first 10 minutes, and we didn't score one of them. We also had a similar spell in the second half and failed to score from it. If you don't score in those moments, then the opposition just grows in confidence.

De gea made some good saves as did Pope. 
City goals came from an awful own goal and a dreadful mistake by De Gea.

5 minutes ago, Deino said:

And Pope didn't pull off some saves to deny goals? These days happen. Heck Palace won against them just last week and Palace too was a team fighting relegation. 

Yes we didn't score at the right times today but so what? We still have 81 points to play for. What's more important is the issues are addressed going forward, it's not like the team gave up today is it? 

They were okay saves, not really saves that he shouldn't have made though. There were chances we missed that didn't even require him to make a save though. Hudson-Odoi on the rebound and Christensen's free header going wide in the first 10 minutes, Barkley blasting over and Thiago Silva hitting the post in the 2nd half. The only save I would say was good was the one from Hudson-Odoi in the first few minutes, but like I said, Hudson-Odoi should have scored from the rebound. Hudson-Odoi had another chance in the 2nd half too. He had plenty of time to find one of the corners, but he hit it straight at Pope's legs.

If this was a one off, I wouldn't be complaining as much as I am, but this has happened so many times to us in the past 3 seasons. The majority of the points we drop are from our own poor finishing, and we have come close to doing the same many times already this season. Today that caught up with us, and I don't exactly have much hope that we won't face the same issues many more times this season.

The simple fact is we miss from chances that Liverpool and City don't often miss from, and if they do miss them, it's usually once a game at most, not 5 or 6 times. The team we have has so much potential to be as good as any team around, but the ruthless side of our game is lacking and holding us back. We have grown in every area of our game in the past 3 seasons, but this side of our game is still the thing holding me back from believing we can be serious contenders for the Premier League title.

I really enjoyed our play. We played scintillating stuff at times and had enough chances to win 6-0. We were due a bit of luck not going our way.

We miss players who can score. Should have paid what ever it had taken for Haland in the summer. Watched City against Utd earlier. Boy are they on a totally different level than us. I think it will be between City and Pool again.

1 hour ago, Chelsbear said:

Can't see us winning anything of note this season, our finishing just isn't good enough. Like Arsenal of old who try to walk it in. 

January is around the corner thankfully 

What's January going to do for us, apart from maybe getting rid of a couple of players or loan one or two out.  Can't see us buying anyone of note unless one of our big name players leave.

10 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

They were okay saves, not really saves that he shouldn't have made though. There were chances we missed that didn't even require him to make a save though. Hudson-Odoi on the rebound and Christensen's free header going wide in the first 10 minutes, Barkley blasting over and Thiago Silva hitting the post in the 2nd half. The only save I would say was good was the one from Hudson-Odoi in the first few minutes, but like I said, Hudson-Odoi should have scored from the rebound. Hudson-Odoi had another chance in the 2nd half too. He had plenty of time to find one of the corners, but he hit it straight at Pope's legs.

If this was a one off, I wouldn't be complaining as much as I am, but this has happened so many times to us in the past 3 seasons. The majority of the points we drop are from our own poor finishing, and we have come close to doing the same many times already this season. Today that caught up with us, and I don't exactly have much hope that we won't face the same issues many more times this season.

The simple fact is we miss from chances that Liverpool and City don't often miss from, and if they do miss them, it's usually once a game at most, not 5 or 6 times. The team we have has so much potential to be as good as any team around, but the ruthless side of our game is lacking and holding us back. We have grown in every area of our game in the past 3 seasons, but this side of our game is still the thing holding me back from believing we can be serious contenders for the Premier League title.

I totally agree with you and I'm frustrated too but we are creating the chances and the lads pushed for goals every time. At least, we're not passing sideways, back and forth to Mendy as much anymore. 

Tony 'Arsey Gale, said in commentary, Werner would struggle to get back in the side, on the contrary, his Goals or more usual his assists are greatly missed, a very functional midfield, no guile, but chances created, now find a scorer, lol

 

1 hour ago, Deino said:

Exactly, even Pool will drop ridiculous points. 

The team needs to dust off this result, enjoy the break then go again against Leicester. 

It's still a long season yet

They’ll drop points tomorrow

53 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

They were okay saves, not really saves that he shouldn't have made though. There were chances we missed that didn't even require him to make a save though. Hudson-Odoi on the rebound and Christensen's free header going wide in the first 10 minutes, Barkley blasting over and Thiago Silva hitting the post in the 2nd half. The only save I would say was good was the one from Hudson-Odoi in the first few minutes, but like I said, Hudson-Odoi should have scored from the rebound. Hudson-Odoi had another chance in the 2nd half too. He had plenty of time to find one of the corners, but he hit it straight at Pope's legs.

The simple fact is we miss from chances that Liverpool and City don't often miss from, and if they do miss them, it's usually once a game at most, not 5 or 6 times. The team we have has so much potential to be as good as any team around, but the ruthless side of our game is lacking and holding us back.

This is it for me, we was very wasteful today for the chances we had.

We had 25 shots, 4 on target, 1 goal

Burnley had 5 shots, 2 on target, 1 goal

The fact is Burnley was more clinical than us today.

Our defence is good enough to win the league IMO but our attack could hold us back.

City will always score goals generally because they cut you open and make enough clear cut chances, sometimes tap-ins.

Liverpool have 3, maybe even 4 players who could reach 15 league goals this season so they are always gonna score enough goals to give them chance.

We are lacking behind in how City can give you a torrid time for 30 minutes and win the game in that spell and how Liverpool are just ruthless in attack.

At the end of the day we are top so we are are doing very well, better than I expected to be honest, it just seems a bit flat when you drop 2 points at home to a bottom 3 team right before an International Break.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, ashwin said:

I really enjoyed our play. We played scintillating stuff at times and had enough chances to win 6-0. We were due a bit of luck not going our way.

I’m back from the game and quite pissed off with dropping off points stupidly, but I agree with you. I’ve enjoyed the match, we’ve played fantastic football at times, and we have been the better team all over the pitch, sometimes wiping them off the pitch. I’m just worried because we lack a natural goal scorer and I’m not saying this just because of today. We’ve seen time and again how we can be the far superior team and just don’t score goals. Today we should have been 3 or 4 up by half time, but Pope and our lack of clinical finishing prevented us from scoring as many as against Norwich. It’s really annoying dropping points when you’ve been so much better.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

He's played 11 games this season and he's scored 4 goals, it's hardly spectacular numbers.

How many goals have our other strikers scored? 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

I know it's nothing to do with the result but why was Pope allowed to take extra 10-15 seconds every time he had a goal kick? Isn't there a limit to how long that supposed to take? It's the usual sh*thousery from Dyche and Co, but it's the ref's job to stop that.

P.S. I hope those c**ts are relegated.

The Newcastle goalie did the same thing last week but Paul Tierney gave him a yellow card and he stopped that sh*t.. 

Andre mariner is a sh*t referee and probably a sh*t human being

19 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

The Newcastle goalie did the same thing last week but Paul Tierney gave him a yellow card and he stopped that sh*t.. 

Andre mariner is a sh*t referee and probably a sh*t human being

The ref had a bad game, which was an easy game tbh, but my god the linesman on the Shed End side was absolutely blind. A shot on goal deflected by a defender to corner, he tells the ref is a goal kick, a kick in James’ bollocks and he tells the ref to play on, a slight touch on a Burnley player and he gives them a free kick, he was f**king useless.

 Not too bothered about the final score. We had four first team starters missing (Mason played a few minutes), no recognised strikers, and hence the result.

Our biggest problem is that the whole bunch of our players do not possess a cool head and when the opportunity opens up, the blood rushes into their heads and makes them momentarily blind as they just kick the ball in general direction of the goal without any awareness of the goalie or defenders positioning or indeed of the goal itself. That is a failure to operate under stress.

How to resolve it - I have no idea, maybe it is 90% natural ability and 10% training, or could be vice versa, but cool heads make good players great.

 

 

One mistake in defence and it cost us the goal, Rudiger was slow to step up and played them onside. We were unlucky not to win, but it shouldn't of come down to luck, we should of had at least been 2 goals ahead within the first 10 mins.

 

Annoying but sh*t happens…if we hadn’t created much, then I’d be more worried…almost got through period without our strikers with 100% win record, so overall, got to be happy with where we’re at.

Burnley did on several occasions make some very good blocks, and Pope pulled off two good saves.

Overall I felt we played really well, we were fluid and moved the ball well and quickly. Burnely had little threat. Unfortunately a random swing in to our box caught Rudiger out and we paid the price.

Most importantly though we were back to our levels of wastefulness from a lot of league games last season.

Our defence are entitled to the odd mistake they have been brilliant, our finish was appealing though. All of our forwards wasted good chances, and it cost us.

And it is November again and the cycle begins again. I thought it would start with Leicester but sadly it has popped up one game early.

3 hours ago, abramovich said:

I know it's nothing to do with the result but why was Pope allowed to take extra 10-15 seconds every time he had a goal kick? Isn't there a limit to how long that supposed to take? It's the usual sh*thousery from Dyche and Co, but it's the ref's job to stop that.

P.S. I hope those c**ts are relegated.

This happens with pretty much every team outside the ‘bigger clubs’, time waste from minute one until they go behind. Refs should book early for this sh*t to make it stop, not only towards the end of the matches when it makes no difference!

Chelsea dominating and then somehow inconceivably dropping points to a single shot on target? Must be November/December!

Hard to be too critical about that. We played some superb stuff, yes you could argue that Havertz, Barkley and Christensen should have scored, but Pope pulled off some ludicrous saves in that first half. On another night we could have won by five.

I would say that defensive concentration is very important to win a title particularly when you don't have much to do. Let's hope Andreas learns from today and doesn't lose his man like that again. Similarly Rudiger has got to be aware there.

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3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

They were okay saves, not really saves that he shouldn't have made though. There were chances we missed that didn't even require him to make a save though. Hudson-Odoi on the rebound and Christensen's free header going wide in the first 10 minutes, Barkley blasting over and Thiago Silva hitting the post in the 2nd half. The only save I would say was good was the one from Hudson-Odoi in the first few minutes, but like I said, Hudson-Odoi should have scored from the rebound. Hudson-Odoi had another chance in the 2nd half too. He had plenty of time to find one of the corners, but he hit it straight at Pope's legs.

If this was a one off, I wouldn't be complaining as much as I am, but this has happened so many times to us in the past 3 seasons. The majority of the points we drop are from our own poor finishing, and we have come close to doing the same many times already this season. Today that caught up with us, and I don't exactly have much hope that we won't face the same issues many more times this season.

The simple fact is we miss from chances that Liverpool and City don't often miss from, and if they do miss them, it's usually once a game at most, not 5 or 6 times. The team we have has so much potential to be as good as any team around, but the ruthless side of our game is lacking and holding us back. We have grown in every area of our game in the past 3 seasons, but this side of our game is still the thing holding me back from believing we can be serious contenders for the Premier League title.

Still top of the league

3 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Still top of the league

I think the difference between those turgid draws of recent years is that we created 5 or 6 great chances. It wasn't a case of needing a top striker to finish our only half chance. 

For me I think we look good if we can keep the points rolling in and avoid our classic November December slump.  

44 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Still top of the league

Aye, better to be top than not.

1 point above Pool and 3 over City is nothing but better than being behind them.

39 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

For me I think we look good if we can keep the points rolling in and avoid our classic November December slump.  

You ask for too much there. Performance was rank at Malmo, today's we were really reall good, a joy to watch. Had the game been in September or March we win 3-0, easy peasy. 

Cause it is November we gift them a point.

We are so charitable in Novemeber and December United even stand a chance against us!

Just back,pissed as a fart . ..UP THE CHELS !

10 minutes ago, Hemel Blue said:

Just back,pissed as a fart . ..UP THE CHELS !

Post of the day.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Burnley did on several occasions make some very good blocks, and Pope pulled off two good saves.

Overall I felt we played really well, we were fluid and moved the ball well and quickly. Burnely had little threat. Unfortunately a random swing in to our box caught Rudiger out and we paid the price.

Most importantly though we were back to our levels of wastefulness from a lot of league games last season.

Our defence are entitled to the odd mistake they have been brilliant, our finish was appealing though. All of our forwards wasted good chances, and it cost us.

And it is November again and the cycle begins again. I thought it would start with Leicester but sadly it has popped up one game early.

They managed so many blocks because none of our players know how to feint a shot. Most of our shots are always so obvious, and it's no surprise they are either saved or blocked. The way the league is tight, we might regret dropping points in this manner. I don't know if it can be trained but it's getting embarrassing how so many of our players are not ruthless in front of goal. I do agree that it's encouraging that we created so many chances. Let's hope it's "one of those days" and not the familiar pattern we were so used to last season.