6 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Wishing him the best on the reconstructive surgery and rehabilitation. 

Terrible news. Never really been injury free for a long time and have to wonder how his body recovers. Stay strong Wesley 

The grafting process is always the issue for chronic injuries arising (hamstring or patellar tendon). 

Think more recently they have been doing cadaver achilles tendon grafts which should prevent the surgeon from taking a tendon off of the player's hamstring or patellar tendon. It's also much stronger too. 

 

Wishing him all the best, terrible news. 
As for us though, if we play a back four surely we’re fine with Badiashile, Colwill, Chalobah and Silva?

Guess his wife won whatever fight they had.

 

More wasted money. He was knackered before we bought him.

Can't we get the Saudi medical team that spotted Ziyech's knee issue?

It was well publicised that we needed to extend the changing room last season, but we must have Europe's largest physio room too.

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The grafting process is always the issue for chronic injuries arising (hamstring or patellar tendon). 

Think more recently they have been doing cadaver achilles tendon grafts which should prevent the surgeon from taking a tendon off of the player's hamstring or patellar tendon. It's also much stronger too. 

 

Wouldn't thar cause rejection issues, so loads of medication?

6 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Wouldn't thar cause rejection issues, so loads of medication?

Tendon grafts tend to have a low probability of being rejected due to their relatively low antigenicity.

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35 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Fofana relies a lot on athleticism whereas Badiashile and Colwill are more technically gifted in composure and passing. 

It's why I was always under the impression Pochettino would prefer the latter two given he implements a system where the wingbacks bomb forward and the CBs remain high but with strict positioning. 

That sounds like you didn't watch him much at Leicester. Yes, he is (was) a superb athlete, but he was also excellent at bringing the ball out from the back. So versatile he could play anywhere across the backline. And often the on-pitch leader in that defence.

The kid must be absolutely devastated. His career could be over. 

I feel sorry for him, but we were incredibly stupid to sign him for such a ridiculous amount of money to begin with.

It's been a few days of pre-season and we still can't shake of this injury curse. It never ends.

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I feel sorry for him, but we were incredibly stupid to sign him for such a ridiculous amount of money to begin with.

It's been a few days of pre-season and we still can't shake of this injury curse. It never ends.

To be fair, Fofana hadn't had any serious knee injuries when we signed him.

He'd obviously recently broken his leg, but that's a completely different type of injury.

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19 minutes ago, just said:

That sounds like you didn't watch him much at Leicester. Yes, he is (was) a superb athlete, but he was also excellent at bringing the ball out from the back. So versatile he could play anywhere across the backline. And often the on-pitch leader in that defence.

The kid must be absolutely devastated. His career could be over. 

Yes and in a back 3 where he can be allowed to drive forward. 

When you consider how Pochettino likes to play he prefers his fullbacks to bomb forward with the DM dropping to space alongside the ball playing CBs and to provide that degree of cover for the fullbacks. 

It's why I questioned if Fofana was really guaranteed that starting RCB spot. 

 

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1 minute ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

To be fair, Fofana hadn't had any serious knee injuries when we signed him.

He'd obviously recently broken his leg, but that's a completely different type of injury.

Not sure if it’s the same knee, but he’s always had issues, even with us.

Feel bad for such a young lad with loads of potential being hampered with injuries.

Whilst its unlucky, there were clearly concerns before he signed. He was flown especially to the States to let a specialist check him out after something had shown up on his initial medical. One thing is clear now its a huge chance for Colwill to establish himself, as for the club we clearly need to start signing some established stars for the first team, having the next...( add name) is not going to cut it in the Premier League and long hard season could be instore. 

2 minutes ago, DukesOfHazard said:

Not sure if it’s the same knee, but he’s always had issues, even with us.

Feel bad for such a young lad with loads of potential being hampered with injuries.

He's had some serious knee injuries with us, but @Scott Harris was saying that we shouldn't have spent so much money on him given his injury record prior to signing for us.

However, your graphic shows Fofana only suffered one knee injury that had kept him out for longer than 3 weeks before he signed with us and that was back in 19/20. So the present calamity was actually hard to foresee when we initially signed him.

14 minutes ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

He's had some serious knee injuries with us, but @Scott Harris was saying that we shouldn't have spent so much money on him given his injury record prior to signing for us.

However, your graphic shows Fofana only suffered one knee injury that had kept him out for longer than 3 weeks before he signed with us and that was back in 19/20. So the present calamity was actually hard to foresee when we initially signed him.

A broken leg is a career altering injury. You don't go throwing £70m at a club for a player who just returned from such a serious injury. We should have been assessing if his body was still capable of performing to the same standard. Even before signing with us, he suffered 4 separate knee injuries.

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On 10/07/2023 at 09:09, ozboy said:

How fit will Wesley be this season? I read Si Phillips saying "unfortunately there is still some concern there". That wouldn't surprise me but does anyone have the skinny?

It seems not very.

Gutted for the lad as I do rate him, but this is a serious blow.

The only silver cloud is Colwill will now get plenty of game time so shouldn't be going anywhere.

 

8 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

A broken leg is a career altering injury. You don't go throwing £70m at a club for a player who just returned from such a serious injury. We should have been assessing if his body was still capable of performing to the same standard. Even before signing with us, he suffered 4 separate knee injuries.

Time is on his side, and the leg break + first knee injury were unfortunate incidents. Unknown if he really is injury prone. 

Chilwell seems to have been doing fine since his ACL tear so hopefully the right graft is done for Fofana, ideally an achilles cadaver. 

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

A broken leg is a career altering injury. You don't go throwing £70m at a club for a player who just returned from such a serious injury. We should have been assessing if his body was still capable of performing to the same standard. Even before signing with us, he suffered 4 separate knee injuries.

But like I said, before signing with us Fofana had only suffered one knee injury that had kept him out for longer than 3 weeks and that was back in 19/20.

Leg breaks meanwhile are pretty freakish injuries that don't tend to reoccur nor impact on that player's long-term fitness. Luke Shaw, Seamus Coleman & Andre Gomes are probably the highest profile examples of Premier League players who have suffered the injury in recent years, with all of them recovering to put multiple full seasons behind them.

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Time is on his side, and the leg break + first knee injury were unfortunate incidents. Unknown if he really is injury prone. 

Chilwell seems to have been doing fine since his ACL tear so hopefully the right graft is done for Fofana, ideally an achilles cadaver. 

I wouldn't exactly call Chilwell fine. He picked up another injury pretty much as soon as he got back into the first team and then again at the end of the season. They are very different injuries, but injuries like an ACL is a disrupter to your entire fitness. Other parts of you body becomes weaker the longer you're away from the same intense training, which then puts you at more risk of different kinds of injuries when you come back.

As for Fofana, it doesn't matter if he was or wasn't injury prone before we signed him, he only just returned from a serious leg break. We should have waited a year to see if he was the same player.

12 minutes ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

But like I said, before signing with us Fofana had only suffered one knee injury that had kept him out for longer than 3 weeks and that was back in 19/20.

Leg breaks meanwhile are pretty freakish injuries that don't tend to reoccur nor impact on that player's long-term fitness. Luke Shaw, Seamus Coleman & Andre Gomes are probably the highest profile examples of Premier League players who have suffered the injury in recent years, with all of them recovering to put multiple full seasons behind them.

Luke Shaw took years to recover. Seamus Coleman was never the same player after that injury and Gomes dropped off so badly that he ended up at Lille last season.

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I wouldn't exactly call Chilwell fine. He picked up another injury pretty much as soon as he got back into the first team and then again at the end of the season. They are very different injuries, but injuries like an ACL is a disrupter to your entire fitness. Other parts of you body becomes weaker the longer you're away from the same intense training, which then puts you at more risk of different kinds of injuries when you come back.

As for Fofana, it doesn't matter if he was or wasn't injury prone before we signed him, he only just returned from a serious leg break. We should have waited a year to see if he was the same player.

Chilwell's missed 30% of last season's matches coming off an ACL tear. That's pretty good.

This is where 9 months of rehab become crucial, and the areas most at risk are where they take the graft from, IE the hamstring or patellar tendon as a muscle is genuinely being taken. In this day in age high performing athletes have been using an achillies cadaver graft which is not only stronger than a hamstring/patellar graft, but it prevents a muscle being taken. 

I do agree though that buying him at the time for that much was daft when it still is yet to be seen if his injuries are a cause for concern. Time is on Fofana's side. 

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Chilwell's missed 30% of last season's matches coming off an ACL tear. That's pretty good.

The time it took him to get back up to match fitness after his ACL tear and after his hamstring injury meant he only started in 23 games in all competitions last season, which was less than 50% of the season. He spent half of the season out injured or trying to regain his fitness. 

Pochettino needs to decide if he wants to back Trev to play a decent amount, or sell Trev and replace him with a top right-side center back.

Sad truth is we cannot rely on Wes Fofana.

Doesn’t seem that long ago our medical staff and lack of injuries were the envy of the football world. 🤔

10 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The time it took him to get back up to match fitness after his ACL tear and after his hamstring injury meant he only started in 23 games in all competitions last season, which was less than 50% of the season. He spent half of the season out injured or trying to regain his fitness. 

I think with us signing Cucurella for £60m, and what with Cucu's previous history with Potter, it was always quite likely that Chilwell was going to get less starts last season than if he was available and up against Alonso and Emerson. Chilwell missed 15 games, and so he was in the match day squad for 35 out of our 50 fixtures. Pretty good availability after a serious injury - got to side with Sconnie on this one !