1 hour ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Auba wants to stay at Barcelona. Which is great. He should. He should stay at Barcelona.

Barcelona want to sell him, in fact they NEED to sell him, or rather they need his wages removed from their wage bill.

Barcelona could offload him, perhaps to a Saudi club like Al Nassr in Riyad or to a Qatar-based club. Other than that there are very few clubs in the world able to afford his wages and all of those clubs have better options.

 

Auba to Chelsea is a great deal. . . for Barcelona. 

 

Tuchel likes Auba, that is great nostalgia, I am sure he was a great player to manage, back when he was an above average player in Germany.

 

As a 'stop gap' for Chelsea's striker needs?  Meh. What would be the point?

I'd disagree, I think as a stop gap striker it's a great idea, he's a proven goal scorer in the premier league. His stint at arsenal didn't end well but as soon as he left he showed he's still a goalscorer. We're a team with virtually zero goalscorers and going into a season with Havertz and Broja we just aren't gonna have the firepower. 

 

I really like Broja but going into a season where we want to challenge for the league and champions league I don't think we can rely on him to come into the team and be the goalscorer we need. But with signing Aubameyang it doesn't effect Broja's long term prospects and he'll still get plenty of opportunities and at £20m it isn't a massive investment that would force Broja to look to leave

1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

Might be the only winger on the planet I rate less than our current bunch.

Rashford is a terrible footballer.  Didn't rate him when people were pretending he was a special talent.  Don't rate him now.

He's a less technically gifted and less intelligent Werner, can't dribble, can't shoot, can't play in tight spaces, can't pass, has terrible movement and is one of the laziest players in the country.

Unless we play exclusively on the counter Rashford would be utterly useless for us.

He's a centre forward not a winger. Centre forwards don't have to be intelligent, they just need to know how to put the ball in the net. A team doesn't need to be full of technically gifted players. Harry Kane I have known from u11 academy and he is not technically gifted, but he knows where to stand and how to score goals

12 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

He's a centre forward not a winger. Centre forwards don't have to be intelligent, they just need to know how to put the ball in the net. A team doesn't need to be full of technically gifted players. Harry Kane I have known from u11 academy and he is not technically gifted, but he knows where to stand and how to score goals

Harry Kane isn't technically gifted?

He literally spends half the game on the half way line creating for Son and Kuleveski and can recieve the ball in the box surrounded by defenders and still get his shot off, it's why he massively outperforms his XG each and every season, because he's so technically gifted. He's the complete striker.

Being technically gifted doesn't mean you have to be some tricky silker winger.  Kane is incredibly technically gifted.

Rashford isn't which is why he failed as a striker so badly he got moved out to the wing.  He didn't have the technique to recieve the ball with his back to goal and turn and he didn't have the intelligence to make the right runs in behind the defenders.

Edited August 14, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

25 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

He's a centre forward not a winger. Centre forwards don't have to be intelligent, they just need to know how to put the ball in the net. A team doesn't need to be full of technically gifted players. Harry Kane I have known from u11 academy and he is not technically gifted, but he knows where to stand and how to score goals

Harry Kane is the most technical CF we have in the league.

2 hours ago, Munkworth said:

What a magnificent, underrated player he was for us.

Just now, axman2526 said:

What a magnificent, underrated player he was for us.

Personally I am somewhat mystified as to why we have never produced a really good centre forward from the Academy.  Coming from Anderlecht Lukaku I don't think he spent much time if any at the Academy; Even with Tammy many of the managers bar Frank, didn't fancy him and now Broja who for what ever reason the manager doesn't really fancy.  Our trait as a club is to go and piss a boat load of money on a so called WC CF who somehow manages to stink the joint out at the first opportunity.  Why is it that the Academy can produce excellent defensive and midfield players but fail miserably when it comes to a CF?   Looking back in our history the CF's coming out of there are few and far between but hardly world class by any stretch of the imagination..Carlton Cole, Neil Shipperly (who) Domenic Solanke, Eddie Nketiah, Rhian Brewster, Frank Nouble - this is a sorry looking list of players.   

I'd give Broja a few starts rather than bin £10-15 mill on PEA and see how he does, he's strong, as well as a powerful willing runner and we know based on his time at Southampton he can score in the EPL.

22 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Harry Kane isn't technically gifted?

He literally spends half the game on the half way line creating for Son and Kuleveski and can recieve the ball in the box surrounded by defenders and still get his shot off, it's why he massively outperforms his XG each and every season, because he's so technically gifted. He's the complete striker.

Being technically gifted doesn't mean you have to be some tricky silker winger.  Kane is incredibly technically gifted.

Rashford isn't which is why he failed as a striker so badly he got moved out to the wing.  He didn't have the technique to recieve the ball with his back to goal and turn and he didn't have the intelligence to make the right runs in behind the defenders.

My point being that Harry Kane has flourished within the system that he plays in. I suspect he would probably also struggle here. If you had seen Harry Kane at U16 in the Tottenham academy he is not one that you would have thought you would be describing at incredibly technically gifted. 

My point was that if Tuchel wants to have a running system with overlapping wing backs and pacy wide men, then a pacy guy up top that knows where the goal is will be immeasurably better than some fat bloater who couldn't see a running his life depended on it.

I don't understand a set up where we go and get pacy forwards such as Werner and then play a slow possession based game that nobody in the team is good at.

I think I am trying to say that the striker is really the least important technically providing he can run fast and score. If we develop a system where the others are creating the opportunities then it doesn't have to be a Barcelona hand me down up top, a player like Rashford, or Watkins or Toney would be able to score and would be good enough for us.

14 minutes ago, STATS said:

Harry Kane is the most technical CF we have in the league.

Yes he is....now. That was my point. Harry Kane was certainly not that when he got his first pro deal, or after his loan at Norwich.  But he fitted a system upon his return to Tottenham and flourished. The system fitted him so well that they have developed a lot of their system around him. Of course he is an elite player at the top of his game now but he wasn't. 

My point was that we should be looking for players that suit the system we want to play and for us to turn them into elite stars.  Cos the elite stars don't seem to want to come here as things stand

Chelsea's first verbal offer of €14m for Aubameyang has been rejected as Barcelona will only accept a deal above €20m. Chelsea are willing to almost double the Gabonese's salary, who is now tempted financially despite being comfortable in Barcelona. (via @tjuanmarti) #CFC #FCB

5 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea's first verbal offer of €14m for Aubameyang has been rejected as Barcelona will only accept a deal above €20m. Chelsea are willing to almost double the Gabonese's salary, who is now tempted financially despite being comfortable in Barcelona. (via @tjuanmarti) #CFC #FCB

Jesus Christ.  If this is true we deserve all we get

3 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Jesus Christ.  If this is true we deserve all we get

And unlike Lukaku, Tuchel is solely to blame if this goes tits up. 

3 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

Personally I am somewhat mystified as to why we have never produced a really good centre forward from the Academy.  Coming from Anderlecht Lukaku I don't think he spent much time if any at the Academy; Even with Tammy many of the managers bar Frank, didn't fancy him and now Broja who for what ever reason the manager doesn't really fancy.  Our trait as a club is to go and piss a boat load of money on a so called WC CF who somehow manages to stink the joint out at the first opportunity.  Why is it that the Academy can produce excellent defensive and midfield players but fail miserably when it comes to a CF?   Looking back in our history the CF's coming out of there are few and far between but hardly world class by any stretch of the imagination..Carlton Cole, Neil Shipperly (who) Domenic Solanke, Eddie Nketiah, Rhian Brewster, Frank Nouble - this is a sorry looking list of players.   

I'd give Broja a few starts rather than bin £10-15 mill on PEA and see how he does, he's strong, as well as a powerful willing runner and we know based on his time at Southampton he can score in the EPL.

Abraham is very good, he just didn't fit our style. He'll crush it in the Serie A for the next few years

If Marcus Rashford is the answer you are either asking the wrong question, or you need to book an urgent appointment at Specsavers.

There is not one United player I would want for our squad ... but if my life depended on us having to have one of them, Rashford would be a very long way down the list ... 

32 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

If Marcus Rashford is the answer you are either asking the wrong question, or you need to book an urgent appointment at Specsavers.

There is not one United player I would want for our squad ... but if my life depended on us having to have one of them, Rashford would be a very long way down the list ... 

If Marcus Rashford is the answer I can only imagine the question was...

Who will be playing for Grimsby Town in two seasons?

I don't know, you guys are far better than me at the old stats game of Xg's and things but i just compared Rashford against Anthony Gordon who we have apparently bid £40m for.

I have done it like for like, taking Rashford's first four seasons to match Gordon's. Rashford had a goal rate of 1 in every 4 matches roughly and a rate for combined goals and assists of 1 in 2.5 games roughly. Not brilliant but hey just a kid breaking through. Similarly Gordon is only 21 so broke through at about the same age. Gordon's stats, 1 in 12.75 for goals and 1 in 7 games for combined goals and assists.

Despite the sh*t teams and sh*t managers Rashford has not only maintained that rate but improvced it a little to 1 in 3.5 games for goals and 1 in just over 2 for combined goals and assists. Gordon is yet to prove that he can do this.

Stats can tell you whatever you want them to though.

One thing that is known though, neither of them can head for sh*t. 

Barcelona have asked around €30m fee for Pierre Aubameyang during the weekend, Chelsea wanted to spend way less than this. Talks continue, as Marcos Alonso is still part of the conversations. 🚨🔵 #FCB

Tuchel, pushing for Aubameyang as priority… but Xavi insists to keep him.
 

Ouch. That seems a lot for Auba. 

8 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Barcelona have asked around €30m fee for Pierre Aubameyang during the weekend, Chelsea wanted to spend way less than this. Talks continue, as Marcos Alonso is still part of the conversations. 🚨🔵 #FCB

Tuchel, pushing for Aubameyang as priority… but Xavi insists to keep him.
 

Ouch. That seems a lot for Auba. 

tell them to do one, that is mental

They couldn't pay the reasonably cheap asking price for Azpi or Alonso. they stole half our targets, and now they want us to pay 30m euro for a player they got for free 6 months ago. 

1 hour ago, Oli said:

They couldn't pay the reasonably cheap asking price for Azpi or Alonso. they stole half our targets, and now they want us to pay 30m euro for a player they got for free 6 months ago. 

 

Auba wants to stay, Barca NEED him to go, due to his wages.  The salary mass at Barca is out of control and they will be pulling more levers - especially as Xavi has asked Barcelona to re-sign Argentina forward Lionel Messi. lol.

Auba should be FREE and we can pay his wages, something Barca are reluctant to do - even then I am not too keen on him as a player.

Why offer anything for him?  Who are we bidding against? Nobody wants him.

28 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

 

Auba wants to stay, Barca NEED him to go, due to his wages.  The salary mass at Barca is out of control and they will be pulling more levers - especially as Xavi has asked Barcelona to re-sign Argentina forward Lionel Messi. lol.

Auba should be FREE and we can pay his wages, something Barca are reluctant to do - even then I am not too keen on him as a player.

Why offer anything for him?  Who are we bidding against? Nobody wants him.

The fact we are bidding against no one is a reason to walk away. Loads of top teams have signed centre forwards this sign, & none of them were interested in him. 
Toney like someone said would be a smart long term signing on reasonable wages. If we had acted earlier in the summer we could have gotten him for under £40m. We will get ripped off for any signing now this close to the end of the window.

43 minutes ago, ducavis said:

The fact we are bidding against no one is a reason to walk away. Loads of top teams have signed centre forwards this sign, & none of them were interested in him. 
Toney like someone said would be a smart long term signing on reasonable wages. If we had acted earlier in the summer we could have gotten him for under £40m. We will get ripped off for any signing now this close to the end of the window.

Would love Ivan Toney. Hard worker, finisher, fast, decent touch and height, and already adapted to EPL.

4 hours ago, JM7 said:

Barcelona have asked around €30m fee for Pierre Aubameyang during the weekend, Chelsea wanted to spend way less than this. Talks continue, as Marcos Alonso is still part of the conversations. 🚨🔵 #FCB

Tuchel, pushing for Aubameyang as priority… but Xavi insists to keep him.
 

Ouch. That seems a lot for Auba. 

I don't understand why Tuchel can't see that they are just fkign with us for the fun of it. 

Step back and look at it. They are 500m and more in debt. They have just signed Lewandowski and now want to keep hold of a player that they have no space for. They are just fkign with us and more fool us for entertaining it. Dump every contact and watch them burn.

According to this spanish source we offered 14 mio Euros for PEA and Barca wants 20 mio Euros.

If this is correct, I think there will be a deal until the end of the week.

And Aubameyang will be a Chelsea player.

 

Edited August 16, 20223 yr by TheGermanOne