As Someone Posted, The Attack Looks Lost, We Look For Our Wingbacks To Provide And Essentially Do Everything, I Don't Think That's Down To Players That's Down To The System, It's Heavily Reliant On The Wingbacks, But If You Sacrifice Attackers To Play Through Wingbacks To Be Your Creators N All Then You Can't Complain About Lack Of Goals From Attackers, TT Needs To Let The Attackers Be A Bit More Free And Not Shackle Them

And Stop f**king Shoehorning Players Into Your System Who Can't Play In That System

4 minutes ago, USATim said:

I can say the same as Havertz. I will give Mount a great last season; this season he has been the most disappointing player on the pitch. Save some vitriol for him.

Feels like you get defensive whenever people criticize Pulisic. I get it that he is American and its nice to see that an American is playing for one of the top sides in Europe but that doesn't make him exempt from criticism. In fact, he is going to be criticized more considering the level he is playing at.

Sorry its not the managers fault the players didnt put in the effort. We were poor today all over the pitch. second to everything and giving the ball away. Personally i will put it down tothe team still gelling. BUt we need to get it together soon.

23 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

What bothered me most about this game wasn't so much the first half; we were mostly on top despite the questionable Jorginho-Gallagher midfield partnership

Nah, we weren’t on top for even a three minute spell all game.

Just now, USATim said:

That structure put two shots on goal, was held scoreless, gave up three goals, and got their collective arses kicked for 70 minutes. What game did you watch?

The structure after half time which led to us having four shots in fifteen minutes and conceding no goals? Yes, I think that was preferable to leaving Loftus-Cheek on his own in the middle, which led to us conceding another goal and a man being sent off. It's funny, because I specifically referenced that in my original post. It's almost like you have no interest in engaging sincerely and simply want to push your own idiotic agenda and wind people up. Funny that.

22 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

What's worrying is that these stats are very accurate. We are in serious trouble this season. Top 6 I'm certain of. Top 4 is a massive worry.

I'm going to wait until the transfer window closes, but as it stands, I don't see us getting anywhere near Arsenal or Tottenham, which is incredibly hard to accept after the progress we have made in recent seasons. It just feels like we have gone backwards this season. 

Just now, Nibs said:

Yeah, we all know he is not a DM, but he was still nowhere near our worst player.

He was imo. Mendy mistake was catastrophic. Havertz was nowhere.

But as you said Gallagher wasn't a dm and it showed. So many ball loses as dm and it was a nightmare

Usually you want his partner to take pressure off from the new guy. But his partner was Jorgi. 

30 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm struggling to understand what our plan is in all honesty. Boehly just seems to be chucking money around all over the place. Chukwuemeka 20m? Gordon 50m? CB's still not replaced, an 80m bid for potential on the cards, the midfield desperate for a rebuild, still no goalscore bought in. It all just feels like a bit of a mess doesn't it?

We seemed to have some sort of rhyme and reason at the start of the transfer window but after we missed out on our top targets it feels like we've been lost and scrambling on who to buy. A sporting director is really needed for the future beyond this transfer window. 

8 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Feels like you get defensive whenever people criticize Pulisic. I get it that he is American and its nice to see that an American is playing for one of the top sides in Europe but that doesn't make him exempt from criticism. In fact, he is going to be criticized more considering the level he is playing at.

No problem criticising Pulisic when it is warranted. However, when you criticize a guy who has played 20 minutes of mop up duty in three consecutive games (and starting off at midfield today? wtf?) and you conveniently leave off both Golden Boy Mason Mount (worst player on the pitch) and Kai Havertz from criticism, when both have NO GOALS and NO ASSISTS  between them while playing four times as much as CP, I feel the need to throw my two cents in. How many shots on goal do Mount and Havertz have between them this season?

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by USATim

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Gallagher is not a DM though. Why does Tuchel play him in that role?

We have no DM forbzy. Not one that is an effective defensive screen, can tackle consistently and impose themselves physically and mentally on the opposition. It's an important role. It provides an extra defender when needed and gives the back line a breather and more to time to reshape against quick counters. Though just as importantly they shouldn't have to be a purely "deep sitting" DM. Most DMs aren't. They best ones can also carry the ball, break forward into space when the circumstances dictate and yet also have the pace, stamina and football brain to know whe n to get back and cover. 

This is not a knee jerk reaction but I think a collective exasperation on how the coach is not seeing what any average fan is seeing.. i see him still talking about 5 to attack and 5 to defend .. but it doesn’t help when 3 of the attack are wingbacks and by the time they get up the pitch the opposition is already set..

we were completely over run in the midfield today.. our 2 simply couldn’t compete with their 3 .. that out too much pressure on the defence.. our service was a hopeful punt forward or a hopeless cross..

complete utter garbage.. 

The more I think about, the problem here is simply that our time is over and despite a European Cup that came out of absolutely nowhere (made Leicester’s title win look expected), we’ve been in slow decline for a good few years.

We now have probably not a single player that would break into the top two’s teams and a manager that can’t coach attacking football, make changes in game or create a strong mentality with what he has. And the amounts of money we have and FFP etc mean that we will not be able to change that now. This is just the way it is now.

It’s not easy, but I could get used to this in time (I do remember when we won nothing but the occasional second division title), but all I ask is that we play with effort and try to play an entertaining style of football.

Hearing Tuchel talking about having to travel on a bus as one of the reasons .. I am sure a club our size doesn’t make such lame excuses..

he is talking about an own goal .. yes we conceded silly but we aren’t the first team to concede .. plus there were 70 mins to play.. so why did his team collapse ??? 
 

what are they doing during the week if they aren’t able to tell their players to remain calm in these scenarios.. 

Tuchel should accept the blame and admit he got it wrong .. players aren’t always to blame.

18 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

Sorry its not the managers fault the players didnt put in the effort. 

It's literally his job to make sure this doesn't happen.

From Sky Sports: Leeds covered 11km more in this match than Chelsea. That will be the plan of attack for every team playing Chelsea going forward. Relentless pressing especially in the defensive half of the pitch. Chelsea's biggest need, in my opinion, is a creative attacking mid that can break the pressure, push upfield and distribute. As most have pointed out, waiting for the wingbacks to overlap allows the defense to get back. 

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by USATim

Are we now the team that doesn't have a striker in the whole match day squad, Really  dont hope Tuchel is going to be his own downfall with his stubbness, I fear there will many results like this today this season

19 minutes ago, Jangz said:

This is not a knee jerk reaction but I think a collective exasperation on how the coach is not seeing what any average fan is seeing.. i see him still talking about 5 to attack and 5 to defend .. but it doesn’t help when 3 of the attack are wingbacks and by the time they get up the pitch the opposition is already set..

we were completely over run in the midfield today.. our 2 simply couldn’t compete with their 3 .. that out too much pressure on the defence.. our service was a hopeful punt forward or a hopeless cross..

complete utter garbage.. 

Great points. That is where the game was lost today. Especially Leeds defensive midfield pressure. Adams was their player of the match, and Gallagher and Jorginho were very pedestrian today.

Hey its not just us being outplayed 2-1 to the Geordies against Citeh

2 minutes ago, USATim said:

Great points. That is where the game was lost today. Especially Leeds defensive midfield pressure. Adams was their player of the match, and Gallagher and Jorginho were very pedestrian today.

I'm watching Citeh and half the time they look like they are playing with a back 2

32 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

Sorry its not the managers fault the players didnt put in the effort. We were poor today all over the pitch. second to everything and giving the ball away. Personally i will put it down tothe team still gelling. BUt we need to get it together soon.

When players don’t have a clear sense of their roles, or how to complement their teammates, it often looks like an effort problem. How many attacking players have to look consistently worse under Tuchel before anyone stops blaming players?

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by Danp2311

18 minutes ago, Mod said:

I mentioned after the first game/or the friendlies where Sterling (and the new blood) looked bright and hope they didn't fall into this lull the rest are (and have been) in.

Looking at it today, I think that has already happened.

Sterling looked ok, he can't do it all on his own, but Cucurella looked a completely different player to last week.

 

He looked ok but he's also not yet registered a goal or an assist.

The worst thing though is most of the team look lost when facing a strong press.

I think it's foolish to blame individual players at this point.  If it was only 1 or 2 players you could say oh well they just can't handle the EPL.  But it's kind of everyone.

What is worse is we need a striker but Tuchel sold Abraham who immediately started lighting it up in Italy then buys Lukaku for a hundred million then benches him cause Lukaku was frustrated with the system.

Honestly I am starting to wonder if Lukaku was not right.  Not saying he should have told the press that but he might be far off.  

Everyone we bring in has played well elsewhere, sucks when they get here, then when they leave they light it up elsewhere.

Even if it was really just the players Tuchel has to take responsibility for spending 300 million quid and somehow making the team worse.  It's not like any of these players were bought without his ok.  

1 minute ago, Valpo said:

He looked ok but he's also not yet registered a goal or an assist.

The worst thing though is most of the team look lost when facing a strong press.

I think it's foolish to blame individual players at this point.  If it was only 1 or 2 players you could say oh well they just can't handle the EPL.  But it's kind of everyone.

What is worse is we need a striker but Tuchel sold Abraham who immediately started lighting it up in Italy then buys Lukaku for a hundred million then benches him cause Lukaku was frustrated with the system.

Honestly I am starting to wonder if Lukaku was not right.  Not saying he should have told the press that but he might be far off.  

Everyone we bring in has played well elsewhere, sucks when they get here, then when they leave they light it up elsewhere.

Even if it was really just the players Tuchel has to take responsibility for spending 300 million quid and somehow making the team worse.  It's not like any of these players were bought without his ok.  

Sterling assisted Reece James goal against Spurs....

But you have to look at the players he's playing alongside.  The only chances he's getting are those he creates off the dribble.

Mount is off form and none if Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic or our midfielders are going to supply him with chances or finish the ones he creates.

Sterling will know himself he's playing with a much much less talented set of players than what he's used to.

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

2 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Sterling assisted Reece James goal against Spurs....

But you have to look at the players he's playing alongside.  The only chances he's getting are those he creates off the dribble.

Mount is off form and none if Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic or our midfielders are going to supply him with chances or finish the ones he creates.

Sterling will know himself he's playing with a much much less talented set of players than what he's used to.

My mistake, he did get an assist.  Point still stands.  Tuchel spent 300 million quid and made this team worse.  Gallagher was the player of the year for another premier league team who would buy him in a heart beat if they could afford him.  

He needs a striker but sold a good one and bought another for 100 million, couldn't get along with him and shipped him back.  Shipped Werner back as well.  

Now he has had the genius idea of playing one of the best wingbacks in the game as a CB while Trevoh Chalobah is mysteriously locked out of the lineup.

 

Everything went wrong today, from the 1st minute miss by Sterling that should of given us the early lead, to Mendys absolute brainstorm, the wrong formation, the wrong tactics. It's not all down to Kante and Kovacic missing, but if they were fit to play i would be confident we would of won this game, and seeing as they are regularly injured we should be bringing in another midfielder, else it's going to be a long season.

Getting bored of the excuses Tuchel is making now, talking about getting coaches rather than a plane, it's just bullsh*t. What is his excuse for this mish mash team of players who are all playing out of position because he's playing them out of position? I like Tuchel, I respect that he stayed with us with the Abramovich issues/sanctions, but he's surely running out of excuses.

We have money to spend but it's not being spent in the right areas, and I'm struggling to see what he's trying to achieve as his tactics were found out mid way through last season and nothing much has changed, if anything in general it's getting worse. I don't think he's gonna get sacked any time soon, but unfortunately I don't think we're gonna get anywhere in the league any time soon either. It's frustrating to see.

Edited August 21, 20223 yr by AlwaysRight