7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Just out of interest. What's the cut-off point for some of Potters biggest supporters on here? Should he stay on if we fall into the lower half for example?

For me personally I’m willing to write the rest of this season off. I don’t think we will get into the top 4 (as much as I liked Tuchel I also think we would’ve finished outside the top 4 under him this year too, and if that was that case I still would’ve kept him). A new manager could well come in now and get us into the top 4, but then what happens if they start the season badly and we are off the pace at Christmas?
 

If 12 months from now we are no closer to the top 4 and are still massively under performing that’s when I think we should start asking questions. 
 

These guys on twitter make good points and how I see it too. 

 

Edited January 2, 20233 yr by enigma

1 minute ago, drjonesy1994 said:

For me personally I’m willing to write the rest of this season off. I don’t think we will get into the top 4 (as much as I liked Tuchel I also think we would’ve finished outside the top 4 under him this year too, and if that was that case I still would’ve kept him). A new manager could well come in now and get us into the top 4, but then what happens if they start the season badly and we are off the pace at Christmas?
 

If 12 months from now we are no closer to the top 4 and are still massively under performing that’s when I think we should start asking questions. 
 

Do you need to see improvement though? We are in January now, would you give him next season if we've generally looked this bad (with a few exceptions perhaps) from now until the season ends?

Just now, OriginalS said:

Do you need to see improvement though? We are in January now, would you give him next season if we've generally looked this bad (with a few exceptions perhaps) from now until the season ends?

I’ve said in a few different posts on this thread that I think there needs to be glimpses of what we are trying to do and what the end goal looks like. I’m ok with us losing or not winning as long as we put in a decent shift. Performances like yesterday, Arsenal and Newcastle were nowhere near good enough and if they become the norm over a period longer than 4 months then yeah that would be concerning. 

We did initially go I think 10 games unbeaten under him too. There have also been a handful of encouraging performances as well. Milan x2, Wolves, the first 60 mins V Bournemouth, Salzburg away. I’d also include City in the cup because despite losing we played well that night and were quite unlucky not to score at least twice. 

I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. We are a much better side with James and Chilwell in it, and I think he has only got to use them together once or twice. He’s not been able to pick Kante yet either.

Maybe I’m just clinging onto the idea of a manager working out in the long term for us. I wanted Lamps to be that man, then Tuchel, and now I want Potter to be that man. I think he does deserve a bit more time before we make that call on him. 

26 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Just out of interest. What's the cut-off point for some of Potters biggest supporters on here? Should he stay on if we fall into the lower half for example?

For them as long as we don’t relegate they will keep supporting him and hope he turns into arteta. People with low expectations and accept mediocrity will never actively change something unless it is absolutely necessary 

Perform like we did yesterday  and the matches before world cup over the next 3 games and Potter looses the bridge support lets see what happens then. We are currently playing like a bottom 3 team. If new players come in Jan and we still are watching these sh*t show performances during last part to the season there is simply no point in Potter The Americans no matter how stubborn are not gonna burn money for the sake of pride and keep Potter

10 hours ago, Dean said:

Yes. It beggars belief. I haven’t been an alarmist member of this forum in the past. Was intermittently really optimistic. I never even complained about Sarri (which is starting to look like a golden age).
 

This is a full-blown crisis, people. We have the wrong owners. And these wrong owners hired the wrong manager. That’s pretty bad. 
 

I think a lot of members aren’t seeing the forest for the trees, and are carrying on as if it’s business as usual- talking about the owners’ “vision” for the club, which players we need in which areas etc. I’m not criticising those of you who do. I hope you are right and I’m wrong. Because the view I’m forming is that nothing good is going to happen at Chelsea until this manager and these owners are gone. 

I think if you listened and watched the round table on Sportico with Egbahli and even the earlier interview with Boehly, I don't think there is much wrong with their vision, I think its the execution that's gone tits up.  IMO they should have waited until they brought everyone in that they wanted, Directors of Football etc, before selecting the Manager, (assuming TT had still not bought into their plans), and buying the players, instead Boehly was pulling the trigger on misguided deals and spunked a few £ in the process. 

It's clear to everyone that we need to get rid of the deadwood and bit part players and some if not all of those on loan if they are going to have a clear out.  Some may be gone in January, many hopefully will gone in the summer...who knows even GP may be gone by then if we are scrambling around the lower table. 

46 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I’ve said in a few different posts on this thread that I think there needs to be glimpses of what we are trying to do and what the end goal looks like. I’m ok with us losing or not winning as long as we put in a decent shift. Performances like yesterday, Arsenal and Newcastle were nowhere near good enough and if they become the norm over a period longer than 4 months then yeah that would be concerning. 

We did initially go I think 10 games unbeaten under him too. There have also been a handful of encouraging performances as well. Milan x2, Wolves, the first 60 mins V Bournemouth, Salzburg away. I’d also include City in the cup because despite losing we played well that night and were quite unlucky not to score at least twice. 

I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. We are a much better side with James and Chilwell in it, and I think he has only got to use them together once or twice. He’s not been able to pick Kante yet either.

Maybe I’m just clinging onto the idea of a manager working out in the long term for us. I wanted Lamps to be that man, then Tuchel, and now I want Potter to be that man. I think he does deserve a bit more time before we make that call on him. 

I agree. Get them fitter, start to show us glimpses of a pattern during an entire match, not 20 mins or just one half and stick to your convictions without taking the soft option (Ziyech over Hutchinson for example).

I think we could end up 10th - 12th this season, so I think there needs to an embryo that we can see for the future.

26 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I agree. Get them fitter, start to show us glimpses of a pattern during an entire match, not 20 mins or just one half and stick to your convictions without taking the soft option (Ziyech over Hutchinson for example).

I think we could end up 10th - 12th this season, so I think there needs to an embryo that we can see for the future.

lmao finishing 10-12th should be enough to sack anyone as a Chelsea manager

since when finishing 12th is acceptable lol, even before Roman came it is unacceptable to finish 12th

Can any of Potters supporters provide a defence?

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

lmao finishing 10-12th should be enough to sack anyone as a Chelsea manager

since when finishing 12th is acceptable lol, even before Roman came it is unacceptable to finish 12th

Get ready

3 hours ago, enigma said:

These guys on twitter make good points and how I see it too. 

 

I have talked about how bad our summer recruitment was while we were doing it, and continued on since. 

So yes I agree with what they are saying.

This Chelsea team is full of nothing players that are not good enough, don't give a sh*t, mercenaries and the odd gem like Silva.

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

lmao finishing 10-12th should be enough to sack anyone as a Chelsea manager

since when finishing 12th is acceptable lol, even before Roman came it is unacceptable to finish 12th

Not sure when you became a fan - but I remember old division 2 days, and scraps down the bottom half of div 1/EPL.

The self entitlement about what we "deserve" is a problem with a lot of fans. 

I would love us to be winning, and up the top of the table challenging, but more than that, I want to see players play with a bit of effort, desire and love for the shirt.

Very few are doing that recently. Azpi does, Timo did, silva does (more out of professional pride probably), mason tries, - the rest don't seem to give a sh*t. 

4 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Not sure when you became a fan - but I remember old division 2 days, and scraps down the bottom half of div 1/EPL.

The self entitlement about what we "deserve" is a problem with a lot of fans. 

I would love us to be winning, and up the top of the table challenging, but more than that, I want to see players play with a bit of effort, desire and love for the shirt.

Very few are doing that recently. Azpi does, Timo did, silva does (more out of professional pride probably), mason tries, - the rest don't seem to give a sh*t. 

Difference is back then we were doing about on par scaled for squad quality.

Not the case these days, and that's before we get into the tickets and merchandise prices.

51 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Get ready

if that happened I will try my best to go to the Bridge and put banners up and call both the board and Potter out

I dont mind if a plane is needed either

20 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Not sure when you became a fan - but I remember old division 2 days, and scraps down the bottom half of div 1/EPL.

The self entitlement about what we "deserve" is a problem with a lot of fans. 

I would love us to be winning, and up the top of the table challenging, but more than that, I want to see players play with a bit of effort, desire and love for the shirt.

Very few are doing that recently. Azpi does, Timo did, silva does (more out of professional pride probably), mason tries, - the rest don't seem to give a sh*t. 

This kind of mentality stinks to high heaven

'BaCk WhEn ThOsE dAyS' sorry, it is 2023, Chelsea is no longer a mid table club nor a championship club. Consider how much they charged for the ticket it is not too much to ask for to have a proper performance on the pitch.

If they go back and charge us 1p per ticket like in the 80s, and shirts are like 5p per kit then they might be able to play like a championship team like back in the 80s

Never understood that rational. 

Expectations and investment aren't mutually exclusive. 

7 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

if that happened I will try my best to go to the Bridge and put banners up and call both the board and Potter out

I dont mind if a plane is needed either

Oh f**k off....

43 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Not sure when you became a fan - but I remember old division 2 days, and scraps down the bottom half of div 1/EPL.

The self entitlement about what we "deserve" is a problem with a lot of fans. 

I would love us to be winning, and up the top of the table challenging, but more than that, I want to see players play with a bit of effort, desire and love for the shirt.

Very few are doing that recently. Azpi does, Timo did, silva does (more out of professional pride probably), mason tries, - the rest don't seem to give a sh*t. 

The old division 2 days didn't have players that earn a monthly salary that most of us won't reach in a lifetime. 

The club is paying Potter obscene amounts of money and he gets a free pass for the season because "he doesn't have his players yet". 

We might as well have Potter sit at home until we've assembled the perfect team for him if we aren't going to hold him accountable

Look it's a matter of time there's two schools of thought regarding Potter. Either he needs time and he will prove his doubters wrong. Or he's not good enough for this level and the longer he stays in the job the more this will become apparent. 

Either way there will always be people trying to justify either stance, whether he gets fired too soon or gets given more time than any other previous manager would have got, given the state of our current playing performance. 

What I will say is, the majority of people that question Potter don't want the managerial merry go round to continue. The point is it's fine to back a manager long-term providing they're the right man for the job. I'm not saying Potter is or isn't but those arguing in his defence have you considered we have the right idea but the wrong man? .

We can go round and round all day and blame the old board, the new board, TT, Potter or the players. Either way at the end of the day the single biggest influence on a team's results is the coach. Is it fair he hasn't been able to rely on James, Chilwell or Kanté top class players? No, is it fair that football is a results based industry and he is expected to have some sort of positive impact on the team early into his tenure? Yes because it works that way for every single club in the world why should we be any different? If you as a coach cannot motivate your players to win 50/50s, turn up for every single game of the season and to play your style of football then clearly you're not the right man for the job.

33 minutes ago, dkw said:

Oh f**k off....

no i am serious

I am not going to watch the club I loved accepting mediocrity and became Arsenal/Spurs for the last 20 years.

If they want to bury their head in the sand, my job is to tell everyone to look at them and make sure they know it stinks

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Can any of Potters supporters provide a defence?

 

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

You just answered your own question. 

Those wanting Potter out, who’d you bring? If it’s that Spud reject who managed to lose the French league with PSG, I’m not in.

We’re playing sh*t, Potter looks out of his depth, but this group of players is weak physically and mentally. This group of players have been struggling to perform consistently for a few seasons now. Yesterday’s goal is just an example of how weak they are. Change Potter and we’ll still struggle to win games. 

I just want to see a glimpse a small look into what our future could be like if/when we get it right but currently it’s nothing absolutely nothing. I don’t see any desire or drive, If we are not playing well at least show us you can fight for the club, but these players are gutless at the moment and show up when they want which is rarely.

I remember pundits saying the same about Arsenal and United , soft and gutless that’s us now we are a bunch of boys against men every team we play.

Willian and Luiz use to get so much sh*te about their qualities but one thing you could never every question is his desire and work-rate for the badge that was NEVER in question something the majority of this squad lack now and what we need during this difficult moment. 

I use to get me upset but now I switch off once the match is over, I stay away and block anything to do with football so I don’t have to think about it. I visit this forum and our subreddit that’s it.
I only switch on about 5 minutes before the match, this is my way of coping with the current situation and probably will stay this way for the foreseeable future.

I moan about Potter and called him moyes 2.0 but even if we got Tuchel back or never sacked him we would still have this problem of soft gutless players, the profile of players we sign need to change until that happens we will continue to be bullied like under 16s.

I will probably moan about Potter again and again during the season but I don’t want him sacked I want the gutless bunch of overpaid twats out of the club then I will judge Potter.

 

Also having a strong manager as leader is ideal during times like this, Potter on the outside looks as soft as a wet paper bag during a storm.

Edited January 2, 20233 yr by El regreso