This arsenal Arteta benchmark is doing my head in now

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Good post apart from this bit, which on the face of it is rubbish. You think that the fans that wanted Tuchel to go was because he wasn't English.  What rubbish. Three of the best managers we have ever had are Tuchel, Mourinho and Ancelotti. In fact in the "modern" era I can only think of Lampard and Hoddle who were English other than interims like Eddie Newton, Graham Rix and Ray Wilkins. All of our great managers and in fact notmso great have come from abroad. We have a rich modern history of it.

I genuinely cannot recall a single post from anybody calling for TT to be sacked because he was German. What do you mean?

 

I'll admit it was more off the back of replacing Lampard who is a club legend, remember all the "Roman OUT, stop the circus" after Lampard got the sack? The Rory Jennings crowd asking Roman to step away. 

But I think there is an unnecessary favourable bias towards English managers, which is why Potter gets a lot of protection from the media. However, I've also seen it on the other side where people don't rate British managers and go over the top by mocking the likes of Sam Allardyce and Harry Redknapp who by all accounts were decent managers.

 I think a majority of the Potter support comes from the fact he's English, so that gets him brownie points which I think is ridiculous. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

This arsenal Arteta benchmark is doing my head in now

He’s achieved nothing since the dire form.

They won FA cup before bad form didn’t they?

27 minutes ago, The Liquidator said:

Can't wait for Dortmund to annihilate us at Stamford Bridge so this cluless prick can be sacked and sent back to Brighton or Bournemouth or wherever the f**k he came from.

And Boehly should be ashamed. His 1st managerial hire is the biggest joke in Chelsea history all this after sacking one of the BEST managers in Chelsea's history to get this guy. 

I get that you're angry. We all are. Pretty much the staunchest allies want him gone now, but look at what you've started your post with and tell me you don't feel dirty typing that.

I get it that we're a bit emotional about the way our club is currently free falling  but I would take a moment to step away, wash your mouth out with soap and then rejoin us back here.

The real sad thing is that he won't be going anywhere. Boehly is a stubborn bastard with a reputation that's already in tatters in the football world, he's not going to sack his little PR-project any time soon. But he's putting his own image before the clubs wellbeing and I'll just hold my tounge on what I think about that.

Potter is a disgrace. Doesn't even look bothered.
Lampard looked like he had seen death when we were on that poor run that eventually led to his sack. For Potter it's obviously just another Sunday and just another loss, couldn't care less as long as he gets to pick up his hefty paycheck and have emotinally intelligent conversations with Boehly.

3 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I think a majority of the Potter support comes from the fact he's English, so that gets him brownie points which I think is ridiculous. 

Obviously I can't speak for everybody, but I would assume that the majority of the Potter support comes from the fact that he's the Chelsea manager.

24 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

Probably a crazy notion, but I'd love Tommy to return.

Don't care how stupid it makes Boehly look or the media mocking us, they need to swallow their pride.

I also don't buy any of this "If you knew what Tuchel did, you would understand why he was sacked" bollocks either. These same people were saying Rudiger and Alonso were the biggest reason why Lampard was sacked, then Rudiger came out and basically said it was bullsh*t and he followed it up with the best season and a half of his career, established himself as one of the best CB's around and was loved by the fans and the players. The Alonso situation was inexperience in man management from Lampard. I don't believe any sh*t the media come out with, their agenda is headlines, doesn't matter how accurate those headlines are.

4 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Obviously I can't speak for everybody, but I would assume that the majority of the Potter support comes from the fact that he's the Chelsea manager.

Support the manager? Who in their right mind would do that??

But in all seriousness, this would actually make sense if it wasn't for the fact that most people who still support Potter now wanted Tuchel gone as soon as he hit bad form. 

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Victor90

1 minute ago, PloKoon13 said:

Obviously I can't speak for everybody, but I would assume that the majority of the Potter support comes from the fact that he's the Chelsea manager.

Should one support the captain of the ship  if he's aiming for a big ass iceberg?

12 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

The guy's using Amazon documentaries to defend himself at this point, this is a circus 😂

Somebody point him to the Sunderland Till I Die one as well please.

7 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

He’s achieved nothing since the dire form.

They won FA cup before bad form didn’t they?

It’s all besides the point. Arsenal squad when Arteta took over and the Chelsea squad when Potter took over were totally different beasts. We are a similar level to United and look at what ten Hag has done. 

Potter is clutching at straws, he’s spending more time thinking of excuses than working on his tactics. 

52 minutes ago, Jezz said:

Tuchel was great throughout all of 2021. We were getting results and winning frequently. His first 50 games or so was outstanding. No disputing that.

Just my opinion, but I think what he produced through 2022 was average and we were deteriorating with no signs of recovery despite the 2 cup final finishes. I remember saying at the time of his sacking I would have given him until the World Cup and then assessed his position then but it wasn’t to be.

I think once Roman was selling up, his days were always going to be numbered. I think it would have happened to any other manager to be honest as they wanted their own appointments to be in place ASAP. Roman was the same with Ranieri 20 years earlier.

On Potter, I can’t find anyone defending him here. Most if not all have had enough and reached the same conclusion as his earliest critics.

I agree 100% results in 2022 under Tuchel were not great, but miles better than what Potter had achieved, and in arguably tougher circumstances given the sanctions, injuries, squad unrest, change of ownership etc, which is why I have found the excuses made for Potter pretty baffling. 

I understand they wanted their own man in, and Tuchel most probably was sacked for things other than than the football, but even Roman gave Ranieri a season. 

I think and hope the tide has turned now with the majority of fans, let's just hope the board have seen the light and they can bring in a manager that has the track record and experience to deliver at the highest level.

4 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Obviously I can't speak for everybody, but I would assume that the majority of the Potter support comes from the fact that he's the Chelsea manager.

I'd say the ground swell of support as Chelsea Manager has now turned for Potter. Of course we all wanted him to succeed, but you're right. it has nothing to do with his nationality.

I suspect even if he loses the next 6 he won’t be sacked they seem to set on the so called project which am all for but with the right person in charge !!!

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by El regreso

What jumps out at me.

Potter has 4 losses less than Tuchel had in his time here despite Tommy T managing 45 games more.

Potter would need to win 8 and draw 1 of his next 9 games to match AVB's record.

If Potter wins his next 7 matches (lol I know) he'll still have a worse record than Scolari, Di Matteo and Benitez.

These are only league Games, us getting knocked out of both domestic cups for the first time in 36 years and without scoring a goal is just another part of the process.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

8 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I'll admit it was more off the back of replacing Lampard who is a club legend, remember all the "Roman OUT, stop the circus" after Lampard got the sack? The Rory Jennings crowd asking Roman to step away. 

But I think there is an unnecessary favourable bias towards English managers, which is why Potter gets a lot of protection from the media. However, I've also seen it on the other side where people don't rate British managers and go over the top by mocking the likes of Sam Allardyce and Harry Redknapp who by all accounts were decent managers.

 I think a majority of the Potter support comes from the fact he's English, so that gets him brownie points which I think is ridiculous. 

I know what you mean but I don't really hold any store by these media driven narratives. These are the people and organisations  that come out with these inane comments that they then judge everybody else by when it suits them. All bollox.

I'm old enough to remember in the heavyweight boxing division the media clamouring over the next "great white hope". Imagine that in this day and age.

Most of us true football fans don't give two sh*ts about colour, nationality,  sexuality. Do you love my club as much as I do and can you put the ball in the onion bag.

Oh and don't ever, ever, ever lose at Three Point Lane.

4 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I know what you mean but I don't really hold any store by these media driven narratives. These are the people and organisations  that come out with these inane comments that they then judge everybody else by when it suits them. All bollox.

I'm old enough to remember in the heavyweight boxing division the media clamouring over the next "great white hope". Imagine that in this day and age.

Most of us true football fans don't give two sh*ts about colour, nationality,  sexuality. Do you love my club as much as I do and can you put the ball in the onion bag.

Oh and don't ever, ever, ever lose at Three Point Lane.

I think if Potter came from Italy with this "potter ball" style, he would get the Sarri treatment. 

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

I think if Potter came from Italy with this "potter ball" style, he would get the Sarri treatment. 

As a measure of how nationality agnostic I am, I am sat here watching Man Utd at Wembley and I am not dreaming about us having ETH as our manager instead of this bloke. After today's debacle I'd probably take OGS actually.

21 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I get that you're angry. We all are. Pretty much the staunchest allies want him gone now, but look at what you've started your post with and tell me you don't feel dirty typing that.

I get it that we're a bit emotional about the way our club is currently free falling  but I would take a moment to step away, wash your mouth out with soap and then rejoin us back here.

 

What do you mean? He's the worst manager in the history of the club. Sometimes you have to "lose" to "win".  Its best interest for us to crash out of the Champions League to hasten Potter's demise and at least have some joy in the rest of our games going into May/June.  Once we lost in the CL, then Boehly will get his finger out of his ass and pull the damn trigger. 

6 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

But in all seriousness, this would actually make sense if it wasn't for the fact that most people who still support Potter now wanted Tuchel gone as soon as he hit bad form. 

 

6 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Should one support the captain of the ship  if he's aiming for a big ass iceberg?

To be honest I think the more apt analogy would be 'should one support the captain when it becomes apparent that he doesn't seem to know what the destination is?' but I take your point.

I am finding quite a lot of the comments in the various Potter threads to be a bit ridiculous. There is an invented divisiveness ("Group X only thinks Y because of Z") when the poll in the other thread suggests that, at this point, the overwhelming majority of Chelsea fans now think Potter should be sacked. Anecdotally I would argue that this is becoming increasingly typical of discussions which take place on the internet (just look at the violent mess of invective the trans debate has become), but it is particularly absurd when most of us agree on the fundamental issue.

Claims like 'people only support Potter because he's English', 'the young fans want Potter sacked because they've never known the club to be unsuccessful', 'most people supporting Potter wanted Tuchel sacked' (etc.) not only have little supporting evidence but will only serve to make people defensive and further entrenched in their positions. It does nothing for a nuanced debate.

This isn't to have a pop at either one of you directly. It's a trend I've noticed which annoys me, I just wanted to have a moan.

17 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Support the manager? Who in their right mind would do that??

But in all seriousness, this would actually make sense if it wasn't for the fact that most people who still support Potter now wanted Tuchel gone as soon as he hit bad form. 

Can you stop making up fans that don't exist to make some weird vague point about racism. I've got to assume you don't live in england by the way you keep telling everyone the English hate foreigners, so let me just make these clear to you

1. I didn't know any Chelsea fan who wanted Tuchel sacked. Everyone either backed him or wanted to see him get to Christmas. 

2. I've never known a manager to have as wholehearted negativity towards as Potter. Everyone wants him gone. 

Over the next 24 to 48 hours we will really find out how stubborn our owner is. 

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

It's starting to get a bit rough had a look and it's already got 5k followers

 

Oh dear...that's that then.

I mean those petitions got the respective companies to remake the last season of Game of Thrones, fire the writers and rehire Henry Cavill on The Witcher, and also helped save Legend of the Seeker from being cancelled...oh wait...lol

29 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Obviously I can't speak for everybody, but I would assume that the majority of the Potter support comes from the fact that he's the Chelsea manager.

On here, yes, but in the media at large, hell no LOL

1 minute ago, PloKoon13 said:

 

To be honest I think the more apt analogy would be 'should one support the captain when it becomes apparent that he doesn't seem to know what the destination is?' but I take your point.

I am finding quite a lot of the comments in the various Potter threads to be a bit ridiculous. There is an invented divisiveness ("Group X only thinks Y because of Z") when the poll in the other thread suggests that, at this point, the overwhelming majority of Chelsea fans now think Potter should be sacked. Anecdotally I would argue that this is becoming increasingly typical of discussions which take place on the internet (just look at the violent mess of invective the trans debate has become), but it is particularly absurd when most of us agree on the fundamental issue.

Claims like 'people only support Potter because he's English', 'the young fans want Potter sacked because they've never known the club to be unsuccessful', 'most people supporting Potter wanted Tuchel sacked' (etc.) not only have little supporting evidence but will only serve to make people defensive and further entrenched in their positions. It does nothing for a nuanced debate.

This isn't to have a pop at either one of you directly. It's a trend I've noticed which annoys me, I just wanted to have a moan.

Fair enough, I've been immature in some of my posts but it's nice to have a laugh after such a sh*te performance against a horrible team. 

The Poll is the way it is because we've just lost, give it a week (if Potter is still here) and there will be a lot more wanting him to stay. If you want Potter to stay you're hardly going to be on this forum after another loss like that are you? But without a shadow of a doubt, the consensus is Potter out now, most people want him gone and rightfully so.