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Enzo Fernandez - Officially a Blue!

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Just now, Upb78 said:

Joao Felix would be a great pairing for him, their partnership during their 1st season was great.

There is something about Felix, how many players would that make it on the books then? Lol. 

10 hours ago, Upb78 said:

Joao Felix would be a great pairing for him, their partnership during their 1st season was great.

Great is really pushing it, Felix was completely underwhelming in my opinion, loved by FIFA players and tiktok viewers, very little actual substance to his play. All fart and no sh*te.

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Great is really pushing it, Felix was completely underwhelming in my opinion, loved by FIFA players and tiktok viewers, very little actual substance to his play. All fart and no sh*te.

Weirdly Felix still possessed that aura that led him to be signed by Atletico for 100-something million. Part of that aura was probably created by that transfer fee. He's never shown he is even close to being that valuable....and still people see that cute little boy wonder that he looked like some 5 years ago. 

My point being... LET'S BUY HIM!

Edited by evissy

I'm so tired of managers trying him as a number 10. They train with him everyday, they must know it won't work. Maresca also must know that Enzo has been sh*t there every time he has played there in the past. It's not just suddenly going to work. I feel like we are just shoehorning this guy in now. He doesn't have the athleticism to play deeper without being bypassed by the oppositions attack, so we are trying to force him in in an attacking position, but why? Is Enzo an untouchable? If so, why? He plays well for Argentina, but so what? Klose has more world cup goals than anybody, but I would have still taken Drogba over him every day of the week.

He's not good enough to demand being played no matter what and everything we have seen of Enzo as a Premier League footballer backs that up. Making him vice captain is stupid too, he hasn't earned that, and with his antics over the summer, he should never have been given that role.

He wouldn't start for me. I know everybody wants him to be a great, but he's not adapting well to this league. Caicedo and Lavia should be the midfield 2 and either Nkunku or Palmer should be behind the striker. There's a player in Enzo, but I'm getting the feeling more and more that this league is just too demanding for his obvious physical limitations.

18 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

He was so poor today, but I can't believe he was played so high up the pitch. Either play him at a CM or not at all. 

He was literally playing in the Gallagher position..

weird tactics.

35 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

He was so poor today, but I can't believe he was played so high up the pitch. Either play him at a CM or not at all. 

Was giving the ball away for fun in the first half. If he carries in like that, he shouldn't be in the side. As for making him captain, that's as bad a decision as United making their fernadez captain. Neither are captain material.

 

3 minutes ago, Dr Gonzo said:

He's not good enough for this league. Bits and pieces player. 

Never buy a player off the back of a good international tournament.

Disagree, he is but just doesn't fit into this group of players. 

49 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm so tired of managers trying him as a number 10. They train with him everyday, they must know it won't work. Maresca also must know that Enzo has been sh*t there every time he has played there in the past. It's not just suddenly going to work. I feel like we are just shoehorning this guy in now. He doesn't have the athleticism to play deeper without being bypassed by the oppositions attack, so we are trying to force him in in an attacking position, but why? Is Enzo an untouchable? If so, why? He plays well for Argentina, but so what? Klose has more world cup goals than anybody, but I would have still taken Drogba over him every day of the week.

He's not good enough to demand being played no matter what and everything we have seen of Enzo as a Premier League footballer backs that up. Making him vice captain is stupid too, he hasn't earned that, and with his antics over the summer, he should never have been given that role.

He wouldn't start for me. I know everybody wants him to be a great, but he's not adapting well to this league. Caicedo and Lavia should be the midfield 2 and either Nkunku or Palmer should be behind the striker. There's a player in Enzo, but I'm getting the feeling more and more that this league is just too demanding for his obvious physical limitations.

Good post Scott. 100% agree with all of that.

55 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm so tired of managers trying him as a number 10. They train with him everyday, they must know it won't work. Maresca also must know that Enzo has been sh*t there every time he has played there in the past. It's not just suddenly going to work. I feel like we are just shoehorning this guy in now. He doesn't have the athleticism to play deeper without being bypassed by the oppositions attack, so we are trying to force him in in an attacking position, but why? Is Enzo an untouchable? If so, why? He plays well for Argentina, but so what? Klose has more world cup goals than anybody, but I would have still taken Drogba over him every day of the week.

He's not good enough to demand being played no matter what and everything we have seen of Enzo as a Premier League footballer backs that up. Making him vice captain is stupid too, he hasn't earned that, and with his antics over the summer, he should never have been given that role.

He wouldn't start for me. I know everybody wants him to be a great, but he's not adapting well to this league. Caicedo and Lavia should be the midfield 2 and either Nkunku or Palmer should be behind the striker. There's a player in Enzo, but I'm getting the feeling more and more that this league is just too demanding for his obvious physical limitations.

I think Maresca fell into the mindset of wanting to not get overrun in midfield today against City, especially after the pre season game with the inverting fullback. So rather than play with a more attacking 8/10 like Nkunku (like we saw in pre season with the inverting fullback), he stacked the midfield with 3 more natural central players and deployed the fullbacks as normal. 

I agree, Enzo being tasked with playing further forward is a mistake, but potentially the only option at the moment for this circumstance. 

I still belive he will work better in coming weeks against weaker opposition, where an Nkunku drops in and acts as a 10, Enzo will have more freedom as an 8 and one of Lavia and Caicedo will be deeper. 

It just whether we have the balls to stick with that in bigger games against the like of City, as its clear to see he struggles further forward. 

I don't agree he can't play in this league. 

He was awful today, shouldve hooked at half time. 

That said, I have never seen him have a good game playing that far forward, he doesn't play like that for Argentina, and he didn't play like that for Benfica.

I think today was a game we needed the protection of Lavia who was class, but for Enzo should play in front of the back 4, and dictate tempo. He is dangerous picking up the ball deep, with runners ahead, and he is really comfortable under pressure. Winks played this role for Maresca last season, so like how sarri had Jorhinho there, I think having a passer in there in a possession system is the way forward personally. Plenty of games for all 3 midfielders, but they should never start at the same time.

He has had some fantastic games in this league, despite what the media spin. Even on a poor day like today he some great passes. 

Fernandez should have been hooked instead of Lavia today, but there’s a good player in there. Just need to find the right balance, I remember when Modric started his career he was seen as a number 10 and he really clicked into gear when he was dropped deeper, pirlo was the same too.

 

Just like under sarri I didn’t think playing kovacic, kante and Jorginho at the same time was wise playing Lavia, Caicedo and Fernandez doesn’t work. Play 2 of the 3 or if you want to play all 3 make Fernandez play deep where he’s at his best. Don’t shoehorn a good player into a position that doesn’t suit him. Lavia and Caicedo have the ability to be box to box Fernandez can unlock defences from deep.

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Does it come down to him and Caicedo just not being able to play together, Ala Lampard and Gerrard?

No, but people will make the same mistake in comparing.

Lampard and Gerrard could have played together, heck they might have for us if things had gone differently. Could they play together as the 2 centre mids in a 4-4-2 like England tried? No. But would they have been able to in a 3 with a competent deeper sitting player, absolutely.

I genuinely think that this Enzo - Caicedo narrative will be gone by Christmas. When they are both the ‘pivot’ the problems present because Enzos defensive awareness is exposed by Caicedos pressing and vice versa.

However, you invert the fullback in alongside Caicedo and allow Enzo freedom (not to play as a 10, just freedom) and they both look way better

The ‘problem’ we have, is that Lavia looks better than both at the moment and doesn’t deserve to be dropped to allow the above to happen

6 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

1.5+ years at the club - he should have his best position locked down by now.  I'm not even sure what that is.  We need more output from Enzo though.

This is an excellent point, and compounded by Nkunku being in a similar situation ... 

Two of our supposedly best players right there ... neither really established ... and both bit part players up to now ... (Nkunku has a partial get-out-of-jail free card due to his injuries)

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