3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

What are the odds of Lampard finishing with a win percentage of 0%? 

Very high. Beating Forest at home not looking likely. 

 

 

46 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

What are the odds of Lampard finishing with a win percentage of 0%? 

80/20 in favour of not getting a win he will be not get a win no chance I can see that happening.

I'd be tempted to walk away if I were Frank.

i dont know why we dont have a manager lining up when we sack Potter, another idiotic decision by Bohley

We are now way worse than the time under Potter

32 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

What does our distance covered under Tuchel look like? 

I don't think it is all about just running distance. An improved level of fitness across the whole group means that every players mental awareness will be improved. Fatigue starts in the brain and a higher level of fitness will mean that players will be more alert for longer.

It's why elite clubs win critical matches with injury time winners. It's not just about the running.

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

i dont know why we dont have a manager lining up when we sack Potter, another idiotic decision by Bohley

We are now way worse than the time under Potter

Is how these owners roll.

6 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Sometimes this looks like a fat person who says he was never a fan of cake. 

I am a fat person - And I don't like cake.

I do however like beer. Wine. Gin. Carbs. Red meats, and cheese. All in large quantities.

So again....life isn't binary. 

6 hours ago, cfcforeverfan said:

i dont know why we dont have a manager lining up when we sack Potter, another idiotic decision by Bohley

We are now way worse than the time under Potter

Oh, really? How are we "way worse"? It`s not like Potter would have given us a chance to beat Real Madrid.

I enjoyed last nights game and that isn’t something I’ve been able to say many times this season. 

We played well and we’re genuinely in the game. 
 

Also, I don’t know if people thinks it’s cool, or edgy to sh*t on Frank as a Chelsea fan but it just looks ridiculous 

Think we'd lost against Real with Potter anyway, it's not like he ever had any experience at the CL level, a great record against top teams that suggest he could do it,  and no real form going into the tie. Again, that's not having a go at Potter. The whole thing about we could win the CL is some myth by Potter supports, that we will be win  the CL despite everything else happened, and Potter deserves a long stay by simply emulating Tuchel , whose achievement that season is still undervalued by some.

Lampard will win a game ( or two), now CL is over he could finally play his best players in the next 7 games.

12 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Think we'd lost against Real with Potter anyway, it's not like he ever had any experience at the CL level, a great record against top teams that suggest he could do it,  and no real form going into the tie. Again, that's not having a go at Potter. The whole thing about we could win the CL is some myth by Potter supports, that we will be win  the CL despite everything else happened, and Potter deserves a long stay by simply emulating Tuchel , whose achievement that season is still undervalued by some.

Lampard will win a game ( or two), now CL is over he could finally play his best players in the next 7 games.

People said we wouldn't beat Milan under Potter. Yet, we did. Easily. People then said we wouldn't beat Dortmund who were flying at that time. We did.

Under Potter we were defensively pretty sound at the end. And we were creating chances at the other end. Unfortunately we don't have a proper central striker and not a single one of our players can finish a good sh*te.

2 hours ago, reparto corse said:

Oh, really? How are we "way worse"? It`s not like Potter would have given us a chance to beat Real Madrid.

You mean the same Potter that beat AC Milan twice without conceding, then dominated the second best team in Germany both times and eliminated them, helping us qualify for the next round. You realise that same Milan just beat one of the most in form teams in Europe, right? 

7 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

I am a fat person - And I don't like cake.

I do however like beer. Wine. Gin. Carbs. Red meats, and cheese. All in large quantities.

So again....life isn't binary. 

I know I've gave you a rough time on here Jim, and fair enough I've not been the nicest, some comments I apologise for. 

But you can't claim you weren't a fan of Potter and give everyone else a hard time for wanting him sacked. If you weren't a fan, there's no reason to give him time. Stability for the sake of stability is stupid. Obviously, things aren't looking better under Frank, but I doubt there was anyone here who wanted Frank as a replacement.

You can want Potter sacked, and not rate Frank as an interim simultaneously, they aren't mutually exclusive. Lampards looking worse than I expected, but so did Potter truth be told, and I didn't have high hopes for either of them. 

It makes more logical sense if you rated Potter because then you have the argument that if we gave him another season he could've done something. If you didn't rate him but still wanted him here, that makes you look mental I'm afraid. 

There is no point in changing from Frank unless he wants out.

At least give him a run with the team for good or bad.

 

7 hours ago, Blueboys said:

I enjoyed last nights game and that isn’t something I’ve been able to say many times this season. 

We played well and we’re genuinely in the game. 
 

Also, I don’t know if people thinks it’s cool, or edgy to sh*t on Frank as a Chelsea fan but it just looks ridiculous 

I agree, only saw the highlights, if we had a bit more composure around the goal we could have been in it... might not have won but you never know.

Obviously in a bad moment... something makes me think Thiago Silva and Lamps don't get on.

3 hours ago, Victor90 said:

I know I've gave you a rough time on here Jim, and fair enough I've not been the nicest, some comments I apologise for. 

But you can't claim you weren't a fan of Potter and give everyone else a hard time for wanting him sacked. If you weren't a fan, there's no reason to give him time. Stability for the sake of stability is stupid. Obviously, things aren't looking better under Frank, but I doubt there was anyone here who wanted Frank as a replacement.

You can want Potter sacked, and not rate Frank as an interim simultaneously, they aren't mutually exclusive. Lampards looking worse than I expected, but so did Potter truth be told, and I didn't have high hopes for either of them. 

It makes more logical sense if you rated Potter because then you have the argument that if we gave him another season he could've done something. If you didn't rate him but still wanted him here, that makes you look mental I'm afraid. 

No need to apologise - we are all big boys and girls - and I am always happy to give and take. It is a forum, not real life.

I was not a fan of Potter. He was failing to get results, failing to implement a style, failing to get me excited and failing to inspire confidence with his words....but...

....I do however remain by my assessment that the football he had us playing by the end of his reign, was better than the football we had played for much of the last few years. Anyone on here is free to disagree with that - but the chances we were creating, the more progressive way we were playing and the solid defense - were in my opinion, all-sufficient signs of progress given the very specific set of challenges he had worked through, which I have already covered ad-nauseam. As a result, I was willing, despite my misgivings, to give him time - given that it was part of a wider long-term reset - that I continue to think we desperately need.

I dont think that makes me mental. As I have said, life isnt binary. There are shades of grey.  I understand why Potter was sacked. I dont agree with it, but it happened. I also understand (ish) why Tuchel was sacked. I agreed with that decision, many didnt, but it happened.   Jose during his first term had lost the plot, and had us playing rubbish football. I didnt want him sacked, neither did many others, but it happened. There are always arguments for and against any decision. My arguments to keep Potter were that there has never been a more challenging set of circumstances to take over the management of a club, in the history of football. And that as a result we needed to temper our expectations and take the pain, and the occasional small wins for a little while, rather than focus on immediete results.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

No need to apologise - we are all big boys and girls - and I am always happy to give and take. It is a forum, not real life.

I was not a fan of Potter. He was failing to get results, failing to implement a style, failing to get me excited and failing to inspire confidence with his words....but...

....I do however remain by my assessment that the football he had us playing by the end of his reign, was better than the football we had played for much of the last few years. Anyone on here is free to disagree with that - but the chances we were creating, the more progressive way we were playing and the solid defense - were in my opinion, all-sufficient signs of progress given the very specific set of challenges he had worked through, which I have already covered ad-nauseam. As a result, I was willing, despite my misgivings, to give him time - given that it was part of a wider long-term reset - that I continue to think we desperately need.

I dont think that makes me mental. As I have said, life isnt binary. There are shades of grey.  I understand why Potter was sacked. I dont agree with it, but it happened. I also understand (ish) why Tuchel was sacked. I agreed with that decision, many didnt, but it happened.   Jose during his first term had lost the plot, and had us playing rubbish football. I didnt want him sacked, neither did many others, but it happened. There are always arguments for and against any decision. My arguments to keep Potter were that there has never been a more challenging set of circumstances to take over the management of a club, in the history of football. And that as a result we needed to temper our expectations and take the pain, and the occasional small wins for a little while, rather than focus on immediete results.

 

 

 

I agree life isn't binary, it's just that to me it doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you weren't a fan of his.

As a fan of this club, of course I wanted Potter to achieve. I wasn't a fan of Conte initially and he totally proved me wrong and I was happy about that, I jumped on the Conte train when he made us into a cracking team off the back of a terrible season.

I didn't see this progress under Potter, the defensive shape was sound, I'll give him that. But I felt that we created far more chances under Tuchel and Lampard than we did under Potter. So many games we had when the other team deserved to win. Under Lampard, he had many losses in his first season, but a lot of the time we completely outplayed the other side and should've won the game. We smashed United at Old Trafford and lost 4-0, but we saw positive signs in what he did. Under Potter I didn't see that, besides the Dortmund and Villa game, two games we lost in that we should've won, they were a rarity. Most of the time we deserved to lose because we created nothing from the game. 

If people rated Potter and wanted him to stay, I completely get it. I think you're wrong but I understand the argument that by giving him time things could potentially develop. I just don't understand how you can't rate him that highly but were still okay with giving him time. We've argued it plenty, so no need to go in circles with it, we've said our piece.

I do agree that Potter had a difficult job, but I actually think Lampard had a tougher job, but each to their own.  

11 hours ago, just said:

People said we wouldn't beat Milan under Potter. Yet, we did. Easily. People then said we wouldn't beat Dortmund who were flying at that time. We did.

Under Potter we were defensively pretty sound at the end. And we were creating chances at the other end. Unfortunately we don't have a proper central striker and not a single one of our players can finish a good sh*te.

That's because everything going wrong for us at the moment is down to Potter and Potter alone?!?!

Sacking Potter was the right decision. He deserved it, he was absolutely shocking.

Perhaps hiring Frank wasn’t the right decision but Potter had to go. He never was the right manager to take us forward.

On 19/04/2023 at 08:23, enigma said:

You mean the same Potter that beat AC Milan twice without conceding, then dominated the second best team in Germany both times and eliminated them, helping us qualify for the next round. You realise that same Milan just beat one of the most in form teams in Europe, right? 

First time we beat Milan they were missing a lot of first team players and second time we were playing against 10 men most of the game thanks to a player that Potter completely stopped playing. We lost to Dortmund in one of those legs, common theme under him. The revisionism going on now is hilarious, he was sacked and rightly so. Lamps has come in just to cruise us through to next season when we can offload the duds and start again with a new manager. We weren't beating Madrid with Potter OR Lamps in charge. Lets not also forget he lost to last place Southampton and Forest who can't buy a win and drew with Everton ffs.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

First time we beat Milan they were missing a lot of first team players and second time we were playing against 10 men most of the game thanks to a player that Potter completely stopped playing. We lost to Dortmund in one of those legs, common theme under him. The revisionism going on now is hilarious, he was sacked and rightly so. Lamps has come in just to cruise us through to next season when we can offload the duds and start again with a new manager. We weren't beating Madrid with Potter OR Lamps in charge. Lets not also forget he lost to last place Southampton and Forest who can't buy a win and drew with Everton ffs.

Not that it matters, but we scraped a draw at Forest.

Potter let himself down when he decided he was going to be Boehly's yes man. He should have, for his sake and for the sake of the club stood up to him. He may have been sacked earlier if he did that but in that case he would have left with his reputation intact.

Will probably never be confirmed but i'm convinced Potter listened to Boehly about which XI to pick as well. Clearly Boehly likes doing that as he did the same with Tuchel who told him where to go but Potter obv never did. I also think the move back to a back three/five at the end sealed his fate as the owners for some reason doesn't like that formation despite City currently smashing everyone with a back three shape.

On 19/04/2023 at 02:16, just said:

People said we wouldn't beat Milan under Potter. Yet, we did. Easily. People then said we wouldn't beat Dortmund who were flying at that time. We did.

Under Potter we were defensively pretty sound at the end. And we were creating chances at the other end. Unfortunately we don't have a proper central striker and not a single one of our players can finish a good sh*te.

Clearly the owners, and many of the fans, had given up on Potter. I don't think we would have won the Champs League under him. That being said, I am pretty sure we would have done better overall in the games since he left had they just stuck with him. Once we had that brief rally around the time of the Dortmund game, we had near enough secured Premier League safety. So at that point I really don't understand what the owners had to gain by getting rid of him, unless they planned to start the permanent replacements right away. The whole interim appointment was yet more chaos injected into a mess of a season. As we can see now there are many more issues behind the current form. The squad size, and the lack of obvious scoring options being 2 of the most obvious ones. Amazing that so many continue to blame Potter for that. He was not responsible for any of the recruitment.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

First time we beat Milan they were missing a lot of first team players and second time we were playing against 10 men most of the game thanks to a player that Potter completely stopped playing. 

But if we're going to put missing players tax on games then we can do that for pretty much every defeat in his entire spell.