Interesting that there are reports that he will replace Oscar as Brazils #10 given Oscar's form slump.

Maybe Oscar's slump in form is something to do with his expectant first child. He got allowed leave from the Brazil squad the other day to go and be with his wife. 

Edited June 8, 201412 yr by enigma

Not out of the question at all.

Interesting that there are reports that he will replace Oscar as Brazils #10 given Oscar's form slump.

 

If he does it will just sum up a perfect year for Willian. Going from playing for Anzi in a poor league in Russia, not playing in the CL or getting into the Brazil squad either. Then nearly joining a sh*t club from North London to now he is playing for Chelsea under Mourinho, is in the Brazil squad for the world cup in Brazil and could be in the starting eleven and being no.10.

http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/dpldcoenckaimerjbhjhjg/Show/Player-Focus-Were-Chelsea-too-Quick-to-Dismiss-In-Form-De-Bruyne

 

Okay it's not related to him directly but.... have we sold the wrong player?

I mean look at de Bruyne he flows creativity and has been most influential player of Wolsburg since he signed for them. And on the other hand here we have Willian who hardly have any creativity at all nor he can score goals. Plus he is 3 years older than KDB and I doubt will going to improve as much ever to justify his price tag which I think we have overpaid by some 10millions or so for a workhorse. Look at his fooking output  5 goals and 5-6 assits in 53 games and that's for an attacking midfielder or an winger who cost us nearly 30m pounds? Is it acceptable? Even I think Brana has better output than him.

 

I bet if KDB got that much chance as Willian he would have been much, I mean much better than Willian last season and might have helped us unlocking defenses..

 

Willian I think is only effective on counter other than that he's contributes next to nothing in final third in terms of output....

The quick answer is no. KDB just wasnt suited to the way Jose plays or our league. To me he is a Veron, he needs time and to take that extra touch that you just dont get in our league.

Jose got rid very quickly which suggests there is more going on behind the sceens also.

I dont know why Willian gets so much heat! I think he does a good job for us. Yeah he could score more goals but people are saying the same about Hazard. I think Willian does exactly what Jose asks of him.

I was and still am quite disappointed we sold KDB, he's a good player, but Jose wants hard working players who will track back, and Willian does that whereas KDB didn't. It's a shame that Jose is often so rigid in the type of player he wants, it means we lack extra creativity we could have had with the likes of Mata, KDB, etc... Although I suppose it works for him in the long run.

I think Willian get's the heat because he cost a near £30 million and for that price as an attacking midfielder you expect goals and assists.

He works hard for the team and put's in a shift which is what is needed in a Jose set up but for that kind of money I was expecting a lot more in terms of end product.

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by RFC_CFC

The quick answer is no. KDB just wasnt suited to the way Jose plays or our league. To me he is a Veron, he needs time and to take that extra touch that you just dont get in our league.

Jose got rid very quickly which suggests there is more going on behind the sceens also.

I dont know why Willian gets so much heat! I think he does a good job for us. Yeah he could score more goals but people are saying the same about Hazard. I think Willian does exactly what Jose asks of him.

 

If a player isnt scoring loads of goals/ creating multiple assists while playing further forward then a DM then he is pretty much useless. Or at least that seems the consensus around here. Would I like Willian to provide more end product? Sure. I still think he is a brilliant player who contributes in multiple ways that doesnt always show up on the stat sheet and a vital part of the "team" Jose tries to create. We are a much more balanced side this year and I think Jose has done brilliantly molding this team

Its all about the fee really as RFC says. Especially if you consider what that the likes of Sanchez, Fabregas and Costa have gone for given their much greater reputation and the impact that they have had. He does a job and I don't mind seeing him start, but the fee was baffling when we signed him and that hasn't changed.

Any one who doubts his quality just isnt watching him, he has a very conplete game in terms of ball control, skill, speed, work rate. But the numbers nees improving, the desisive action is missing but then I think the same of hazard, he should also be delivering better numbers

I think Willian get's the heat because he cost a near £30 million and for that price as an attacking midfielder you expect goals and assists.

He works hard for the team and put's in a shift which is what is needed in a Jose set up but for that kind of money I was expecting a lot more in terms of end product.

We have already got Ramires for that 'workhorse' type player... now we have another....

KDB would have given us something we lack which is creativity in the final third(LAST SEASON) and Willian hardly offers that and it's ridiculous KDB went for almost 12m cheaper than Willian cost us. He's already setting the league alight for Wolfsburg.

And the sad thing is KDB is going to improve and improve he's of same age as of Hazard, Oscar etc. whereas Willian is in the bracket of Fabregas, Ozil, Di Maria etc.. who are already on their peak.

 

You know our RW is our weakest link in our team. If we sort this out we'll be far more threatening. If our RW regularly contributes in the final third, it will ease off pressure from Hazard's head because literally he is our main threat and from RW there is hardly any threat.

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by CFCBlue12

We lack creativity in the final third? you've seen fabregas, hazard and Willian this season , right? I dont understand how anyone can question willians contribution to our side, the amount of to es so a the ball high up the pitch and gets our attack going is outstanding.

Well if you look at all our goals last season, or just look at Hazards goals on a video on youtube and have a look at who starts most of the attacks and counter attacks. Willians end product might not be great but he does create good play and even joins in on the play, he is a better footballer than Schurrle is, I think that's why he gets more game time than Schurrle does and not just because of his work rate.

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by Slawth

Sorry I mean last season.

Can't remember the source, but I seem to recall someone on these forums (possibly a Belgian poster who was more privy to the going-on's at the National team camp) suggested that KDB and T Courtois were not exactly overly friendly toward one another.  So, when Jose knew this, and knew that he wanted Courtois as our #1, he took immediate action to avoid disrupting a potential World #1 goalkeeper, and the Chelsea dressing room.

 

I know this is all a bit "he said, she said," but it does merit some thinking

Can't remember the source, but I seem to recall someone on these forums (possibly a Belgian poster who was more privy to the going-on's at the National team camp) suggested that KDB and T Courtois were not exactly overly friendly toward one another.  So, when Jose knew this, and knew that he wanted Courtois as our #1, he took immediate action to avoid disrupting a potential World #1 goalkeeper, and the Chelsea dressing room.

 

I know this is all a bit "he said, she said," but it does merit some thinking

Involved a girl as I recall.

If people can't see what Willian brings to the team they badly need to go to Specsavers. As important as Matic IMO.

If people can't see what Willian brings to the team they badly need to go to Specsavers. As important as Matic IMO.

Or actually play some 11s them selves at some point

For me KDB is the kind of guy that will win you a match, maybe through a pass or a goal.

 

However Willian is the kind of guy that will contribute more to a title winning side.

 

The amount of work and sacrifice that he puts in for the team is exactly why Jose loves him.

 

He stops so many counterattacks, he tracks back relentlessly and he is nearly always involved in the our best moves although maybe he isn't the last guy.

 

If you notice the team seems to have two triggers, as in a piece of play that will unbalance the other team normally through a dribble and the beating of one's direct opponent.  The first trigger is Hazard, the second is Willian.  Willian will often get the ball in midfield and make the initial dribble.  The other team is suddenly unbalanced and has to scramble.  Willian then moves the play along to someone else in space.

 

This is why i often feel like he doesn't get that goal or final assist because he is involved in the first breakdown of the defence.

 

Anyway, for me he is now an integral part of the first 11 and brings a much needed balance to the side. 

 

Trust Jose, KDB is not good enough to be in the starting eleven of a title wining side.

Jose as a manager I know this endless Willian vs De Bruyne debate is needless. Willian being a very talented player but deep down a workhorse. Endless runner like Azpi. De Bruyne showed no signs of being anything like that. He might be more clinical in passing but 90% of the time in games we need Willian's qualities.

But Willian needs to produce more as he said himself after world cup. He needs to give more than just cover for defense which he does brilliantly.

For me KDB is the kind of guy that will win you a match, maybe through a pass or a goal.

 

However Willian is the kind of guy that will contribute more to a title winning side.

 

The amount of work and sacrifice that he puts in for the team is exactly why Jose loves him.

 

He stops so many counterattacks, he tracks back relentlessly and he is nearly always involved in the our best moves although maybe he isn't the last guy.

 

If you notice the team seems to have two triggers, as in a piece of play that will unbalance the other team normally through a dribble and the beating of one's direct opponent.  The first trigger is Hazard, the second is Willian.  Willian will often get the ball in midfield and make the initial dribble.  The other team is suddenly unbalanced and has to scramble.  Willian then moves the play along to someone else in space.

 

This is why i often feel like he doesn't get that goal or final assist because he is involved in the first breakdown of the defence.

 

Anyway, for me he is now an integral part of the first 11 and brings a much needed balance to the side. 

 

Trust Jose, KDB is not good enough to be in the starting eleven of a title wining side.

Oscar does all of that as well and he still manages to get goals and assists. 

I love what Willian brings to the team, wouldn't trade him for KDB or indeed most other top AM's in the world.

If people can't see what Willian brings to the team they badly need to go to Specsavers. As important as Matic IMO.

 

But not in Jose's opinion apparently.

Oscar does all of that as well and he still manages to get goals and assists. 

 

You haven't liked Willian from the start he could score a hat trick and you would find a way to slag him off.