Id take a poor mans Shearer all day

11 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

Well we do have 1 top striker already on the books, I'm wondering if it goes tits up do we ask him to stay until Jan...

I think that bridge has well and truly been burnt, I'd be amazed if that were to happen. Nice thought though as it's usually up to January we get his best.

 

I see today we've been offered Aubameyang for 70m. I'd take that all day, what a threat on the counter our front three would be!

12 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I think that bridge has well and truly been burnt, I'd be amazed if that were to happen. Nice thought though as it's usually up to January we get his best.

 

I see today we've been offered Aubameyang for 70m. I'd take that all day, what a threat on the counter our front three would be!

First I heard but yes please, only concern is 70 for his age a bit steep but sugar daddy Romans problem not mine. 

7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Pretty sure I have been on this forum longer than him fella. Is just a feeling, I may be proven wrong. 

ahh but you don't take jokes as well as he does!

27 minutes ago, TheChelsRVA said:

ahh but you don't take jokes as well as he does!

Neither do I have any footballer clients or insider knowledge to share either. Lol

19 hours ago, B&Wlegends said:

My previous message got screwed up so just repasting here, sorry for the confusion 

You raise some good points let me address them if I can. First of all I have no bias at all against Belotti whom I consider a very good player and not being originally from Torino I have not so strong feelings against them as most juve fans anyway because they have not been seriously competitive for over 40 years. Torino fans of course feel very strongly about us as you could expect from fans of a mid table team with a good tradition but no recent successes who have to share the city with a team that wins slightly more frequently.  

In any case even the player came from one of the teams and fans I really loathe and despise because they are scum like Roma or Inter, I would still keep an open mind about them. For instance Nainggolan is a player that disgusts me as a person but who is objectively the best box to box midfielder in Serie A and along with Vidal one of the best in the world (btw I do not understand why Chelsea and Conte do not bid on Vidal who seems to be available for sale).

With regards to Belotti and Morata, I think your stats are interesting but stats in football are useful but need to be read with attention and always looking at other elements that are more qualitative like international experience, ability to excel under stress, personal character, tactical constraints etc.

Looking at the stats themselves a few notes: first of all Morata is only 1 year older than Belotti. Being 1 year older he has played 2 CL finals, being protagonist and scoring in 1 of them. Playing 2 Italia Cups finals winning both and scoring in 1 of them He won European U19 and U21 championships with Spain being the tournaments top scorer and scoring in semi and finals of U21.

Let's look at scoring ability. He has played just over 1300 minutes (most of them as sub) with real last year scoring 15 goals and 4 assists vs Belotti's 26 goals and 7 assists in over 3000 minutes (most of them from the start). So he actually netted an average of 1 goal every 88 minutes vs 1 goal every 118 minutes of Belotti.

Out of the 26 goals only 2 if I am not wrong were vs one of the top four teams  of the league (1 vs us  )

As a side note Belotti scored 2 penalties and missed 3, Morata did not take any penalty at Real, so the actual difference in terms of scoring is higher.

Not just that, bear in mind that Belotti has had an entire team whose main goal was to make him score because they did not have anything to win and they did not  risk relegation, so increasing Belotti's tally would increase is market value so that they could ask ridiculous amounts for him this summer. 

Morara on the other hand was always a sub despite having a great season and being a better player than Benzema, the reason being that Benzema is the ideal partner for Ronaldo and is much better than Morata at creating spaces for the Portuguese. That is why he was picked and that is why he wants tp leave Real. 

Finally the stats on tackles or number of shots must be interpreted too,  because of course Belotti will have more chances than Morata since he is almost the only terminal while at Real, even in those few instance when he plays Morata has to share the burden with at least two other players.

Sorry if my post ended being longer than I wanted, but to conclude IMO there is no way in hell that Morata can be in the same category or price level of Belotti who has only had 1 great season so far with several question marks about his ability to do it again especially in a different league and at a higher level. That is not to say that he cannot or will not do it or become even better than Morata. It is possible, albeit unlikely but he certainly is less tested and his price should reflect that. That of course does not mean much because in a market that evaluates Rudiger 40 millions or Lukaku 100, Belotti at 90 might appear almost reasonable which is not of course.

Great post basically saying what I have been saying about Morata for a long time.

6 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

 @ValerieSurely you mean "tonight the jackpot is ours"

And exactly how many games did Costa lose us since he's been here?

You no exactly what I mean his heads out of the game temper is going playing like sh*t if he didn't turn up was so hard to win.

If we sign him i think he would work in a partnership with a top goalscorer. When i see him i see a bit of Gudjohnsen in him technically and Eidur wasn't the best goalscoring striker to ever live either. But that was why him and Jimmy worked, because they brought to the table what the over couldn't.

Im ruling out a miraculous u turn on Costa now but (if he proves he can hack the PL next season) then a partnership with Tammy and Alvaro could be really good. Only issue is anything over than 3-4-3 reduces Eden's effectiveness.

 

Hazard - Morata - Pedro/another winger link up would be f**king amazing, wouldn't mind Chelsea to sign Belotti instead of Morata but my preference is Morata. For striker he really does have amazing technique, dribbling, vision and passing, also his finishing is good - complete striker as I said in Aubameyang thread

16 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

Well we do have 1 top striker already on the books, I'm wondering if it goes tits up do we ask him to stay until Jan...

You're kidding right? You think Costa gives a f**k about playing for us again? He checked out in his mind months ago, shame really. The only way he would play for us again is if Atletico drop all interest and a miracle of good will was to occur between Conte and him. Mind you, saying that Costa and his behaviour is so erratic he might be trying to buy shares in the club next week so changeable is his moods.

37 minutes ago, MissouriBlue said:

You're kidding right? You think Costa gives a f**k about playing for us again? He checked out in his mind months ago, shame really. The only way he would play for us again is if Atletico drop all interest and a miracle of good will was to occur between Conte and him. Mind you, saying that Costa and his behaviour is so erratic he might be trying to buy shares in the club next week so changeable is his moods.

Gives a f**k about playing football with the World Cup 6 months after January, do t think he checked out he almost got us back into the fa cup on his own when the whole team was on holiday, he had a 5 or 6 game dip with good performances either side of it. Considering he wanted to go and all this drama from the start of the season he still gave us 20 goals was the best he has ever behaved in the field, I think if we were in trouble and he was approached right it would suit both parties for him to give us until Jan. 

1 hour ago, amART said:

 

Hazard - Morata - Pedro/another winger link up would be f**king amazing, wouldn't mind Chelsea to sign Belotti instead of Morata but my preference is Morata. For striker he really does have amazing technique, dribbling, vision and passing, also his finishing is good - complete striker as I said in Aubameyang thread

Like I said, Morata, Pedro, Harzard = MPH
THE SPEED OF OUR ATTACK 

19 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Gives a f**k about playing football with the World Cup 6 months after January, do t think he checked out he almost got us back into the fa cup on his own when the whole team was on holiday, he had a 5 or 6 game dip with good performances either side of it. Considering he wanted to go and all this drama from the start of the season he still gave us 20 goals was the best he has ever behaved in the field, I think if we were in trouble and he was approached right it would suit both parties for him to give us until Jan. 

I would like to think that we could play him until January if, and it's a bid if, Costa decides he's going to behave. We still need to buy a striker now rather than January, as we'd get our pants taken down in January, plus the possibility of our intended target being cup tied for CL.

B&Wlegends did make a solid point about the deep defenses and what would be my one concern with Morata and that's his effectiveness vs a low block.

Prime Torres (who Morata shares quite similar resemblance to) always struggled vs low block's and that actually f**ked Liverpool up in terms of winning the title, Conte's away big game record for us and Juve is average so we are relying on outstanding big game home form and flat track bullying to see us over the line.

38 minutes ago, Argo said:

B&Wlegends did make a solid point about the deep defenses and what would be my one concern with Morata and that's his effectiveness vs a low block.

Prime Torres (who Morata shares quite similar resemblance to) always struggled vs low block's and that actually f**ked Liverpool up in terms of winning the title, Conte's away big game record for us and Juve is average so we are relying on outstanding big game home form and flat track bullying to see us over the line.

My question would be are deep Italian defenses the same or better than deep English defenses? 

But then again, deep defenses is why we employ a certain Cesc Fabregas.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

When i see him i see a bit of Gudjohnsen in him technically and Eidur wasn't the best goalscoring striker to ever live either.

 

That's a good shout, but if you're right and he is similar to Gudjohnsen, he's not exactly the ideal man to lead the line, especially in a lone striker role.

29 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

That's a good shout, but if you're right and he is similar to Gudjohnsen, he's not exactly the ideal man to lead the line, especially in a lone striker role.

He is not very similar to Gudjohsen at all 

6 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

He is not very similar to Gudjohsen at all 

Similar to Gudjohnsen/Harry Kane imho.

 

15 minutes ago, the special one said:

Similar to Gudjohnsen/Harry Kane imho.

 

I don't think he is, he is more like Liverpool Torres, Gudjohsen had much better close control and vision, you could easily play Gudjohnsen as a number 10, Morata can link play well but isn't as comfortable on the ball as Gudjohnsen was, and in the box Morata has that poachers instinct of being in the right place at the right time to score. 

7 hours ago, amART said:

 

Hazard - Morata - Pedro/another winger link up would be f**king amazing, wouldn't mind Chelsea to sign Belotti instead of Morata but my preference is Morata. For striker he really does have amazing technique, dribbling, vision and passing, also his finishing is good - complete striker as I said in Aubameyang thread

No offence, looks a great player, but we would learn just as much from these videos if they include his worst moments as well, I'm not saying he has loads.

21 hours ago, the special one said:

Morata is different league for me, but to sign him we may need to sacrifice Courtois or Hazard.

For me I'd say Belotti is overrated. He reminds me of a poor man's Alan Shearer.

Alan Shearer as in one of the top 5 strikers of the last 30 years? ciratinly top play in the prem

16 hours ago, CrowBag said:

You no exactly what I mean his heads out of the game temper is going playing like sh*t if he didn't turn up was so hard to win.

 

Not sure I do "no".  You said he loses us games, I wanted to know which games you meant, as I can't remember a single one that we lost because of Costa

21 hours ago, Xfaxtor said:

Id take a poor mans Shearer all day

We did.

 

 

Disappointed how we haven't heard much yesterday about our striker situation.

I think we're going to see some big movement this weekend, with pre season starting next week. Dare I say Danilo, Bakayoko and a striker will be announced this weekend?

A striker is still looking miles off but after seeing how quick we signed Fabregas or United signing Lukaku it could be done.

Edited July 13, 20179 yr by dansubrosa

14 hours ago, pacquiao said:

I don't think he is, he is more like Liverpool Torres, Gudjohsen had much better close control and vision, you could easily play Gudjohnsen as a number 10, Morata can link play well but isn't as comfortable on the ball as Gudjohnsen was, and in the box Morata has that poachers instinct of being in the right place at the right time to score. 

Agree Liverpool Torres is as good a comparison as i've seen. He's not as electric but a superior footballer.