Another perspective on Hudson-Odoi's one-on-one with De Gea:

 

3 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Another perspective on Hudson-Odoi's one-on-one with De Gea:

 

Ddg is a top class keeper and it was a good save. At the same time, Cho is predictable and I'm sure DDG knows he doesn't have Aguero like close range power or Henry like placement. I'm putting my money on a world class keeper on a 1 on 1 situation vs Cho every time.

Miss wingers like Robben who had actual power in their shots.

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Ddg is a top class keeper and it was a good save. At the same time, Cho is predictable and I'm sure DDG knows he doesn't have Aguero like close range power or Henry like placement. I'm putting my money on a world class keeper on a 1 on 1 situation vs Cho every time.

Miss wingers like Robben who had actual power in their shots.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it, and I applaud him for taking the shot. As for the lack of power in his shots, it will come in time. He kind of reminds me of Vinicius Jr who frustrated the hell out of Madridstas, even Benzema wanted him gone last season. This season his finishing has been transformed, and he is probably the best LW on the planet.

Someone highlighted in the match thread about him stopping Utd counter attacks from a corner a couple of time by running back into our half, that is something that is not getting spoken about. We could easily have lost the game if he didn’t put in a defensive shift.

17 hours ago, Valerie said:

Is CHO the new scapegoat for some people? Yesterday in the match chat someone actually said that if we weren't going to win this, it would be on CHO for not scoring    Not sure how one player can be blamed, being one player in an 11-man team, with many outfield players who have scored whatever their position.  

Looks a bit like it. I know there are many CHO fans on here who have been waiting for him to fulfil his potential for a while now and have been a bit OTT on recent performances. He has been playing well but his final output hasn’t maybe been top notch especially his finishing.

On the other side are the Pulisic fans  who see him as being the great redeemer and CHO apparently playing in his favoured position. They’re were just waiting for that game were CHO makes a couple of errors in their opinion and they are also OTT in their assessment.

My own reading of the opportunities that he had without taking still images and drawing lines, is on the first chance 90% of forwards go for goal and I wouldn’t expect anything different. It was an alright save but CHO should have scored and if Pulisic had been in the same position he would have shot and I would expect him to score.

On the second chance he should have passed and if he decides to shoot at least get some power in it. Strange thing is in his academy days he use to blast shots in from all over the place.

ATM I think CHO has been doing enough to keep his position over Pulisic. 
 

Had to check there but it’s hard to believe that CHO only turning 21 a couple of weeks ago.

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Good points @goose. Personally believe Pulisic scores that chance and if we have to pick one of him and CHO I would go with CP for the greater goal threat.

Lot is made about CHO, my concern for him is the Torres factor. Broke in young, suffered serious injury, relies on pace. In his late 20s to early 30s think he is at risk of a massive drop off ala Torres.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Good points @goose. Personally believe Pulisic scores that chance and if we have to pick one of him and CHO I would go with CP for the greater goal threat.

Lot is made about CHO, my concern for him is the Torres factor. Broke in young, suffered serious injury, relies on pace. In his late 20s to early 30s think he is at risk of a massive drop off ala Torres.

What on earth is making you come to the conclusion Pulisic is some elite finisher? He didn't get his 2nd league goal till April last year ffs.

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

What on earth is making you come to the conclusion Pulisic is some elite finisher? He didn't get his 2nd league goal till April last year ffs.

Elite level @Argo? No no, I don't feel Pulisic is elite level. I feel he is much better finisher than CHO, who is almost as poor as Werner is at taking chances.

As @Bob stark has said before CP is better at everything inside the box, outside of it more often than not CHO will give you more. We are really lacking in the box so I would personally like to see CP given a run to see if he provides the assists and goals I feel he would with a run and staying injury free.

You did not need to be an elite level finisher to beat DDG with that chance. Sancho would have scored it, and did with his one on one against a better keeper. Of our forwards only Lukaku and Pulisic I believe would have scored it, the other 5 not so much.

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26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Good points @goose. Personally believe Pulisic scores that chance and if we have to pick one of him and CHO I would go with CP for the greater goal threat.

Lot is made about CHO, my concern for him is the Torres factor. Broke in young, suffered serious injury, relies on pace. In his late 20s to early 30s think he is at risk of a massive drop off ala Torres.

Why would you be concerned about what may or may not happen in 10 years time? CHO has hardly been played the past 3 years. He is young and had a breakthrough period, he’s done ok, made mistakes and is still inconsistent (something you will find with all young players). As for the chances , the first one he took the shot,would have expected to score. It’s subjective as to who would have done better. The second effort was poor, something he will have been made aware of, he will learn from the experience. TT has managed him exceptionally so far and will rotate him correctly, to drop him now though would be wrong other than for a short rest. He is starting at present on merit.

16 minutes ago, charierre said:

Why would you be concerned about what may or may not happen in 10 years time? CHO has hardly been played the past 3 years. He is young and had a breakthrough period, he’s done ok, made mistakes and is still inconsistent (something you will find with all young players). As for the chances , the first one he took the shot,would have expected to score. It’s subjective as to who would have done better. The second effort was poor, something he will have been made aware of, he will learn from the experience. TT has managed him exceptionally so far and will rotate him correctly, to drop him now though would be wrong other than for a short rest. He is starting at present on merit.

Is a concern as if we want him to have a long and successful career we need to manage his game time even now imo. Overplaying at a young age especially off an injury could really affect him.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Is a concern as if we want him to have a long and successful career we need to manage his game time even now imo. Overplaying at a young age especially off an injury could really affect him.

He hasn't been overplayed though, that is the problem. He is still very much in development having mistakenly not gone on loan like others.

So are you saying we should buy Jack Grealish and TAA @Argo ?

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1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

So are you saying we should buy Jack Grealish and TAA @Argo ?

No - he's saying that Alonso is more effective than Chilwell LOL

4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

No - he's saying that Alonso is more effective than Chilwell LOL

Lol

i hope he starts on the left wing and this ziyech experiment ends.. Ziyech is not consistent enough and the system doesnt suit Pulisic.

I know this is silly to say of a man with one goal to his name this season but, having seen CP, Ziyech and us in general struggle these past 2 games to created anything of note and miss sitters in the other game I am really looking forward to CHO, and Lukaku, being back hopefully against Villa. 

Even Werner starting up to with the two of then would not spoil it for me. 

I don't expect them to be amazing after being sick and Lukaku still recovering but am hopeful a run of games for for 2 of them, along with the returns of Kova and Kante, might just help us start to score some more goals again.

9 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I know this is silly to say of a man with one goal to his name this season but, having seen CP, Ziyech and us in general struggle these past 2 games to created anything of note and miss sitters in the other game I am really looking forward to CHO, and Lukaku, being back hopefully against Villa. 

Even Werner starting up to with the two of then would not spoil it for me. 

I don't expect them to be amazing after being sick and Lukaku still recovering but am hopeful a run of games for for 2 of them, along with the returns of Kova and Kante, might just help us start to score some more goals again.

We need cho badly. This team has so many player who is average or below on the ball. 

I don't want to see alonso + Werner combination ever again.

 

 

I'd start CHO whenever he is fit, but he has to play as a proper winger, preferably on the left, but otherwise on the right, with James behind him.

Having said that, I would definitely want more end product than we are currently seeing, although I think he would get a lot of assists with Lukaku in the middle.

If we want to get the best out of Lukaku we have to create chances for him, and the specialist wingers are most likely to do that, given our relative lack of creativity in central midfield.

Perhaps the best option up front from what we have available is Werner left, Rom CF and CHO right, although then I'm not sure what we do with Mount or Havertz, neither of whom would get in ahead of Jorginho, Kante or Kova in the pivot.

13 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'd start CHO whenever he is fit, but he has to play as a proper winger, preferably on the left, but otherwise on the right, with James behind him.

Having said that, I would definitely want more end product than we are currently seeing, although I think he would get a lot of assists with Lukaku in the middle.

If we want to get the best out of Lukaku we have to create chances for him, and the specialist wingers are most likely to do that, given our relative lack of creativity in central midfield.

Perhaps the best option up front from what we have available is Werner left, Rom CF and CHO right, although then I'm not sure what we do with Mount or Havertz, neither of whom would get in ahead of Jorginho, Kante or Kova in the pivot.

And here lies the problem, at present we are reasonably defensive secure but the current formation blunts the players at the top end, frequently shoehorning them into positions that don't play to their best attributes. Perhaps my only disappointment with Tommy is that he has landed on one formation and seems unprepared to change to suit differing opponents. At present teams have a week to prepare, knowing more or less exactly what our game plan will be. 

Miles better than Ziyech and Pulisic, needs to be first choice from now on alongside Mount

11 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Miles better than Ziyech and Pulisic, needs to be first choice from now on alongside Mount

Wouldn't say he's miles better, Ziyech has shown some good stuff this season too but i agree CHO should start more. He needs to improve his finishing though.

Just missing the goal that second half move deserved from an otherwise top display.

Finishing needs a lot of work (who's doesn't right now?) but his overall game is currently far more consistent, effective and just better overall than any other attacking player in the team right now. He should be starting the majority of the games over Ziyech and Pulisic right now.

I've noticed he seems to enjoy himself more this season, perhaps because now he's an important member of our squad, or physically fit. Whatever the reason, it's working for him. At 21 he's bound to learn the things that will make him the finished article.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Finishing needs a lot of work (who's doesn't right now?) but his overall game is currently far more consistent, effective and just better overall than any other attacking player in the team right now. He should be starting the majority of the games over Ziyech and Pulisic right now.

This is what I can’t wrap my head around; why hasn’t the manager worked on improving his shooting? It has been a problem since last season, and a year after it isn’t better. All it takes is a combination of shooting drills mixed with strength, and power drills with a trainer. Most of the wingers bar Ziyech are at an age where you can still fix these issues, and in a month we would see an improvement. I can remember Redknapp bringing Ian Wright in to work with Defoe on his shooting. Very bizarre that it hasn’t be addressed