1 hour ago, Yorkleynonce said:

what an irrelevant reply to my post, c*nt

We know you're game sonny Quim

2 hours ago, Adamrb said:

We’ve made him the player he is, invested in him as a kid. I think handing in a transfer request is a complete disrespect of our club. Amazing how he is being advised. Young players turning down 80k, game has gone mad!

Can't say he's chasing the money. Good for him.

Club is a shambles. We aren't even that good anymore challenging for titles. I could understand our philosophy then but not now. 

Sorry kid is 18, dont see ampadu or RLC doing this. 

Really talented and he will go far but this is ungrateful and if he is a Chelsea fan then for shame. 

The club and Sarri have put themselves in this situation. The culture and cycle of hiring and firing has ruined us as far as young players go. Bayern are much more stable. Robben and Ribery are on the way out and CHO is confident he'll get significant time next season. Here? It wouldn't surprise me if we keep Willian and Pedro for next season while we add Pulisic. Where are his minutes going to come from if Sarri won't even play him over those two now? Can't blame CHO. 

He could develop here if given the chance and 40m for an 18 year old is a lot, shows we are not wrong in wanting to keep him around. I hope we refuse to sell and someone at the top demands Sarri play him. 

Can only hope that future managers like Frank will have a different attitude to young players so we don't end up in the same position again...can't see CHO staying beyond this window...and if he goes to BM then I can't see us getting a buy-back clause either...can only demand £35m up front and hope the powers upstairs put more pressure on future managers to bring the kids through...

8 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Exactly the kind of wakeup call we needed.

Kid gets an offer to move to one of the biggest clubs in Europe where he will still likely get more minutes and get developed properly. Why is any surprised he wants to go?

This is 10 years of chaotic youth development come home to roost.

Now of course we should say no. 18 months is a long time in the life of an 18 year old. Minds can be changed in that time, but for god's sake he needs to play!

Note also that Bayern are making this offer and made no move for Pulisic when they hoover all of the decent talent in Germany. Make of that what you will.

He still should start tonight.

They did want Pulisic, he choose us.

3 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

The club and Sarri have put themselves in this situation. The culture and cycle of hiring and firing has ruined us as far as young players go. Bayern are much more stable. Robben and Ribery are on the way out and CHO is confident he'll get significant time next season. Here? It wouldn't surprise me if we keep Willian and Pedro for next season while we add Pulisic. Where are his minutes going to come from if Sarri won't even play him over those two now? Can't blame CHO. 

He could develop here if given the chance and 40m for an 18 year old is a lot, shows we are not wrong in wanting to keep him around. I hope we refuse to sell and someone at the top demands Sarri play him. 

Are BM really that stable? 

 

In the RA era we have had 15 managers that includes the likes of Ray Wilkins and Steve Holland who were in charge for a couple of days each.In the last three years we have had two managers

Meanwhile in Munich they over the same period have had 13 mangers included in that number are 3 who were said to be caretaker managers . In the last 3 years including 1 caretaker they have had 4 mangers.

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by terraloon

f**k the money, 18 months left on contract.

f**k Munich, Bavarian w**kers ! Hope the club reports the tossers.

7 hours ago, just said:

Can't say I'm surprised. Can't say I blame him. Respect the fact he has said it is not the money but the lack of playing time that is the problem.

What playing time? He's 18 years old ffs, what has he accomplished to date to expect anything? I realize the club has done poorly when it comes to integrating youth into the first team over the years, but come on. CHO may be an outstanding talent if Bayern is after him, but he has no right to demand anything at this point. So he spends half a season in the first squad, gets a few chances here and there and now suddenly he can't wait anymore? f**k him.

7 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Not as important to be that precise about debuts IMO. Rooney,Beckham and all other big stars in their time got the breakthrough around the age that Hudson-Odoi is now, he is a big talent and should be playing more games. Bayern is promising him the role of a new Robben/Ribery for them since their squad is full of oldies, but it's Bayern the team we beat in their own ground to become champions of Europe, Roman and the board and whoever is close to this young rising star should talk to him and promise him that he will have a big role starting from next season.

If the club lets him go, it can end up being the Pogba story, he wanted more minutes Ferguson didn't care he left for a big club became a star and then Ferguson bought him back for £100m. It would be such a huge miss if the club makes the same mistake as they did there.

The debut thing is important because it points to where CHO is in terms of realistic expectations. If he leaves we have no idea how things won’t roll out. 

The point very much is that save Rooney players aren’t playing on a regular basis at teams in England . 

CHO is being integrated into the first team he is developing and developing well and would get more and more exposure to senior football but if his expectation is that he would be a displacing Willian and or Pedro immediately is naive and yes I know that neither of them  are pulling up trees at this point in time both have far more experience and indeed knowledge of how to deal with big game situations.

Pogba is an interesting one and yes Man U paid big to get him back but wasn’t it José that bought him back and not Fergie? We will never know but I sort  of suspect that had Fergie still been the boss Pogba wouldn’t have returned to Utd.

Over the years there have been dozens of young players who were being heralded as the next big thing some make but the vast majority despite all the technical and physical skills fail to live up the expectations. We tend to remember the ones that make it but rarely quote those that don’t.

What’s interesting from a Chelsea perspective  is we know just how many of our promising young things fail miserably when the go out on loan and don’t have the protective blanket that many have had put around them at the academy. In the big wide world of professional football it’s  ruthless and very few are given time.

I along with everybody on here have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes at Chelsea nor indeed have we heard from the player but it’s pretty much eveident that CHO isnt signing a long term contract what happens from this point on will be fact but up to know it’s no more that paper talk but as I said earlier in the thread I am fed up with it all now

 

 

Lots of vitriol on here for Munich, who are doing exactly what Chelsea have done in the past, so no hard feelings from me...

This has been rumbling on for a while, and despite public announcements from Sarri of how important he is, there has been little in the way of significant game time or trust shown. When this saga started just before Xmas, we have had ample opportunity to play CHO more and show him that we trust and value him, but instead he has been wheeled out in the arse end of games, for 10 mins here and there.  Simply put, our actions do not match the proclamations. Would this transfer request have come if he had been trusted to start a few league games? Maybe, maybe not, but the fact is that he hasnt been shown trust

40mill for an 18 year old prospect is more than fair, and if he develops into a world beater at Bayern, then it will be because he will have been given a proper chance to do so, something which has not happened to date at Chelsea. 

Good luck to all

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Lots of vitriol on here for Munich, who are doing exactly what Chelsea have done in the past, so no hard feelings from me...

This has been rumbling on for a while, and despite public announcements from Sarri of how important he is, there has been little in the way of significant game time or trust shown. When this saga started just before Xmas, we have had ample opportunity to play CHO more and show him that we trust and value him, but instead he has been wheeled out in the arse end of games, for 10 mins here and there.  Simply put, our actions do not match the proclamations. Would this transfer request have come if he had been trusted to start a few league games? Maybe, maybe not, but the fact is that he hasnt been shown trust

40mill for an 18 year old prospect is more than fair, and if he develops into a world beater at Bayern, then it will be because he will have been given a proper chance to do so, something which has not happened to date at Chelsea. 

Good luck to all

Since boxing day we brought him on against Watford, started him in a semi, brought him on to help protect a slender lead and sent him on while chasing a game. For a month he was injured for half in that's quite a lot.

Well, at least have the comfort of being resigned to his departure for about a month now. 

 

Should be telling Bayern to cough up 50m at the very least, though. It's not like they're short of money.

 

(also lol @ people seriously trying to pin this on Sarri, no manager in their right mind is playing a teenager week in and week out at any top club in Europe, and as for people suggesting the board should be dictating team selection, that's even more laughable)

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by Charles Ryder

13 minutes ago, Charles Ryder said:

Well, at least have the comfort of being resigned to his departure for about a month now. 

 

Should be telling Bayern to cough up 50m at the very least, though. It's not like they're short of money.

 

(also lol @ people seriously trying to pin this on Sarri, no manager in their right mind is playing a teenager week in and week out at any top club in Europe, and as for people suggesting the board should be dictating team selection, that's even more laughable)

 

So why is it then that Dortmund are playing Jadon Sancho every week as a top club in Europe? It's certainly out of the norm, but if you're good enough you're good enough.

The disappointing thing for me is how few chances he got to play in the first half of the season, after a hugely impressive pre-season. Granted friendlies aren't always a good gauge, but he did well enough to play a lot more than he has, and especially so when you consider how bang average our other wingers (Hazard excepted) have been. If you're good enough you are old enough.

Having said that, with him handing in a transfer request, I am still surprised that he doesn't have more affinity for the club after being here since he was 8 years old. I hope someone has asked JT to have a word with him.

4 minutes ago, AlwaysRight said:

 

So why is it then that Dortmund are playing Jadon Sancho every week as a top club in Europe? It's certainly out of the norm, but if you're good enough you're good enough.

That's the thing, though, CHO isn't Sancho. For all the homegrown, one-of-our-own sentimental cooing, he's not actually demonstrated an ability to be a regular starter in England based on his performances. Yet. If Sancho was at City and not BVB he'd be getting similar minutes under Pep to what CHO has been getting under Sarri. Perhaps less, given City's glut of senior options in the wide forward positions.

For all of the fretting about him being held back and wasting away, he actually has broken through to a far greater degree than any other 18 y/o academy product of ours. You could name any number of players at a similar age with the same levels of hype that have been farmed out on loan, but he was specifically fast-tracked to the first team. The path is there for him to develop and break through if he wants it, but he clearly doesn't and that's his decision.

Lower standard of league, bigger paycheck, more minutes, bigger club, new language. There are a myriad of reasons which make it an appealing move, beyond the panic about the supposed roadblock in his way here.

23 minutes ago, Charles Ryder said:

That's the thing, though, CHO isn't Sancho. For all the homegrown, one-of-our-own sentimental cooing, he's not actually demonstrated an ability to be a regular starter in England based on his performances. Yet. If Sancho was at City and not BVB he'd be getting similar minutes under Pep to what CHO has been getting under Sarri. Perhaps less, given City's glut of senior options in the wide forward positions.

For all of the fretting about him being held back and wasting away, he actually has broken through to a far greater degree than any other 18 y/o academy product of ours. You could name any number of players at a similar age with the same levels of hype that have been farmed out on loan, but he was specifically fast-tracked to the first team. The path is there for him to develop and break through if he wants it, but he clearly doesn't and that's his decision.

Lower standard of league, bigger paycheck, more minutes, bigger club, new language. There are a myriad of reasons which make it an appealing move, beyond the panic about the supposed roadblock in his way here.

Amen 

Do the deal.let him go if that's what he wants. £40m for a sulky teenager .

Kevin & perry springs to mind. ..

11 minutes ago, M.M.B said:

Do the deal.let him go if that's what he wants. £40m for a sulky teenager .

Kevin & perry springs to mind. ..

How do you know he's sulky ? Are you his brother ?

Just out of interest, was Hudson-Odoi considered better than Sancho at youth international level ?

Their respective records at England U-17 : CHO 5 goals in 22 appearances ; Sancho 14 in 18 ...

 

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by Sexyfootball

7 minutes ago, coco said:

How do you know he's sulky ? Are you his brother ?

No...he still has 18 months on his contract. He don't think he should wait for his chance in that period . So I'm off..

Yeah sulky.

2 minutes ago, M.M.B said:

He don't think he should wait for his chance in that period .

Did he tell you this when you fell out over the TV remote ?

Really disappointing.

Ampadu and RLC was patient and eventually chances came their way, especially RLC who is an important player now.

Ampadu, it won’t be long until he gets more minutes. Hudson Odoi is getting minutes, he’s 18 for gods sake, Sarri is slowly breaking him into first team. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t a regular by next season. But what can we do if he doesn’t want to wait?

17 minutes ago, coco said:

Did he tell you this when you fell out over the TV remote ?

Yes