58 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Everybody can be wrong about a player, including some of the most known managers in the world, but not you!

That's not true Gol. We have both been proved wrong on Havertz unfortunately.

Another anonymous performance... Bring on January if the FDJ rumours are true. 

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Another anonymous performance... Bring on January if the FDJ rumours are true. 

Don’t think Barca will entertain a bid in Jan cos he is their best midfielder. Even if he was to be available Liverpool & Utd are also interested.

10 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Don’t think Barca will entertain a bid in Jan cos he is their best midfielder. Even if he was to be available Liverpool & Utd are also interested.

Anyone in their right mind avoids Utd like the plague. Liverpool hate spending money, however if they do i imagine they go all out for Bellingham. If he's leaving we're the most likely destination, especially if he tries to force a move after how Barca treated him.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Anyone in their right mind avoids Utd like the plague. Liverpool hate spending money, however if they do i imagine they go all out for Bellingham. If he's leaving we're the most likely destination, especially if he tries to force a move after how Barca treated him.

I may have stumbled upon a flaw in the theory here 

18 hours ago, just said:

 Capello has probably changed his mind now? Strangely he hasn't picked Jorginho for his world cup team. He has picked Trent Alexander Arnold though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11339531/Former-England-boss-Fabio-Capello-selects-Trent-Alexander-Arnold-Star-World-Cup-XI.html

Probably because Italy didn't qualify !

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Anyone in their right mind avoids Utd like the plague. Liverpool hate spending money, however if they do i imagine they go all out for Bellingham. If he's leaving we're the most likely destination, especially if he tries to force a move after how Barca treated him.

He's not leaving, never was.

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Probably because Italy didn't qualify !

They might have if they had a decent midfielder...

9 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Another anonymous performance... Bring on January if the FDJ rumours are true. 

Until March when people get annoyed with him aswell because he's not a Declan McTominay esque blood and thunder type.

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

Until March when people get annoyed with him aswell because he's not a Declan McTominay esque blood and thunder type.

Guimaraes is worth the money, bastmatiRice in the mud needs Zouma to carry him

If Boehly and Co are so data driven, then there would be no appeal to Declan Rice. 

5 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Probably because Italy didn't qualify !

Exactly! If, as some like to suggest, Italy won the Euros because of Jorginho, does it also mean they failed to even qualify for the World Cup because of Jorginho?

36 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

If Boehly and Co are so data driven, then there would be no appeal to Declan Rice. 

They'll go a long way down in my estimations if he does.

The one big weakness of the Roman reign was falling for the romantic side of things at times. We got duped into signing Lukaku twice because of the narrative of him supposedly being a Chelsea fan.

6 minutes ago, just said:

Exactly! If, as some like to suggest, Italy won the Euros because of Jorginho, does it also mean they failed to even qualify for the World Cup because of Jorginho?

Last time when they couldn't score vs Sweden no but this time he missed the penalty vs Swiss so yes Jorginho is at huge fault there.

With that said, the problems with Italian football go deep, 20 years ago every single team had a domestic starplayer from Palermo to Juventus but in the recent years pretty much every single big club is dependent on foreign talent to carry their teams. Part from Ciro Immobile which is the exception to the rule.

Edited October 24, 20223 yr by Gol15

47 minutes ago, Argo said:

They'll go a long way down in my estimations if he does.

The one big weakness of the Roman reign was falling for the romantic side of things at times. We got duped into signing Lukaku twice because of the narrative of him supposedly being a Chelsea fan.

See how the directors of football the recruit are, but the owners themselves have left a lot to be desired with their recruitment this summer imo.

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

If Boehly and Co are so data driven, then there would be no appeal to Declan Rice. 

If you are a PL team and you need to use data to assess rice then rice then something is wrong. 

 

On 23/10/2022 at 23:43, Gol15 said:

If Jorginho was in Man City and if we had Rodri you would be saying the same thing in reverse, that Rodri is not comparable to Jorginho...

Good squad player doesn't change the fact that Jorginho has been our key player ever since he got here.

This is bizarre. Why would he say that?  😅😅

Sterling is number is way down than what he had in city, do I asses sterling differently? Nope. 

 

 

 

On 24/10/2022 at 01:47, just said:

English Premier League – full season 2021/22

Jorginho – Chelsea

Appearances 26 (3) - Minutes played (2279)

Defensive stats:

Tackles per game (2.2) Interceptions per game (1.2) Fouls per game (1) Clearances per game (0.7) Dribbled past per game (1.9) Blocks made (0.1)

Offensive stats:

Goals total (6) Assists (2) Shots per game (0.6) Key passes per game (0.9) Dribbles Per game (0.6) Fouled per game (1) Lost ball per game (0.7) Bad control per game (0.8) Shots from outside the penalty area per game (0.2) Shots from inside the penalty area per game (0.3)

Passing breakdown:

Total assists (2) Key Passes per game (0.9) Ave. passes per game (69.4) Pass success rate (89.3%) Long balls per game (2.1) Through balls per game (0.1) Crosses per game (0)

 

English Premier League – full season 2021/22

Rodri – Manchester City

Appearances 33 - Minutes played (2887)

Defensive stats:

Tackles per game (2.2) Interceptions per game (0.8) Fouls per game (1.3) Clearances per game (1.3) Dribbled past per game (0.8) Blocks made (0.2)

Offensive stats:

Goals total (7) Assists (2) Shots per game (1.4) Key passes per game (0.9) Dribbles Per game (0.4) Fouled per game (0.6) Lost ball per game (0.7) Bad control per game (0.5) Shots from outside the penalty area per game (0.7) Shots from inside the penalty area per game (0.7)

Passing breakdown:

Total assists (2) Key Passes per game (0.9) Ave.0.1 passes per game (86.8) Pass success rate (91.8%) Long balls per game (5.5) Through balls per game (0.1) Crosses per game (0.1)

 

The most noticeable difference in the defensive stats is that Jorginho is dribbled past twice as much as Rodri. Though it is worth noting aerial duels won are not recorded here, but you would assume that Rodri would be leading comfortably in that metric too.

The major differences are when you compare the passing stats and offensive stats, and of course Rodri doesn't take the penalties for City. Rodri. Yet another another example of a defensive midfielder who is not just a recycler. And this was last season's figures before he had Haaland to play in!!

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/303139/History/Rodri

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/106968/History/Jorginho

 

#wedontneedasittingdefensivemidfielder

Jorgi is interesting player isn't it. He is like a player in era from few years where people try to copy spain/Barca and people think Harry winks will be England best midfielder. 

It is impressive such basic player can play in elite football. And it is even more impressive that a lot of people think that he is a wc regista. 

Edited October 25, 20223 yr by Bob stark

11 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Guimaraes is worth the money, bastmatiRice in the mud needs Zouma to carry him

Genuine question, not looking for an argument here. 

How old are you?

31 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Genuine question, not looking for an argument here. 

How old are you?

Hint, nowhere near as old as me. 

Edited October 25, 20223 yr by Kev56

6 hours ago, Bob stark said:

If you are a PL team and you need to use data to assess rice then rice then something is wrong. 

 

Agreed. You could just watch Scott McTominay and that pretty much gives you a preview of Rice at a "big 6" team.

Edited October 25, 20223 yr by Argo

2 hours ago, Kev56 said:

Hint, nowhere near as old as me. 

Is anyone?

Rice obsession again, some of our fans rate every player that comes from Cobham instead of actual ability.

If you come from Cobham i automaticity rate you., its like a bunch of Alex Golbergs on here.

 

11 hours ago, Bob stark said:

This is bizarre. Why would he say that?  😅😅

Sterling is number is way down than what he had in city, do I asses sterling differently? Nope. 

 

 

 

Easy for Jorginho to play in that Man City team, all lanes open for passes all the time, no wonder Pep got mad when he didn't sign him. If Rodri was here he would also be seen as a sideways passer and just as a squad player by all that deem Jorginho as such.

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

Rice obsession again, some of our fans rate every player that comes from Cobham instead of actual ability.

If you come from Cobham i automaticity rate you., its like a bunch of Alex Golbergs on here.

 

It's ironic because the "you only rate x player because he's a fancy name" is often trotted out but there's nothing that can convince me Rice would be a desirable target let alone the favourable one had he not been a Chelsea fan who has a bromance with a current fans favorite.

There was (rightly) outrage at the mere thought of signing Anthony Gordon at his rumoured price yet likely twice as much for someone totally unproven outside of sit back and counter football is largely being well received.

Edited October 25, 20223 yr by Argo