The club should have kept faith in Conte and should have given him a 50m and 60m signing, he failed with Morata but wouldn't have bought Jorginho, the board failed the club more than any manager.

Sarri has no merits compared to Conte, no reason to tolerate his flaws but in practice we have to wait out this season and see if we can at least finish 5th again, I don't even believe Sarri can win Europa League.

I think vast majority agrees that a number of players need to be shipped out, that's a given.

The question is, is Sarri to be trusted to oversee the overhaul. I think, since quite a few of the current lot should be sold in the summer anyway, the owner/board may as well write the season off and let the squad know that the manager stays, no matter what. Then wait and see for the rest of the season if Sarri is actually capable of learning how to deal with challenges of competing in a more competitive league and adapting his system according to it. Because so far the signs are very worrying, and if that's his stance now, I wouldn't trust him with any other group of players, because his arrogance and refusal to change/adapt is going to hurt any squad, regardless of personnel.

Out. 

After this amount of time I'd expect to see a semblance of progress with playing Sarri's preferred style.

I see none. 

If anything we've regressed and after an initial new manager bounce at the beginning of the season we're now seeing the true results of Sarri's influence on the squad and it's rubbish. 

55 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The club should have kept faith in Conte and should have given him a 50m and 60m signing, he failed with Morata but wouldn't have bought Jorginho, the board failed the club more than any manager.

Sarri has no merits compared to Conte, no reason to tolerate his flaws but in practice we have to wait out this season and see if we can at least finish 5th again, I don't even believe Sarri can win Europa League.

Conte wanted out though, who wants a manager who is miserable all the time and slags the club off any chance he gets?. And the style of football was boring, and his signings of Morata,Zappacosta, Alonso are hardly convincing.

After the way we treated Conte I wouldn't be surprised to see Sarri sacked. 

Yeah let’s not forget how Conte was towards the club. He was pretty disrespectful, and all it takes is one small thing for him to kick up a huge sh*tstorm.

I much prefer Sarri to Conte as a person, he comes across as much more polite and  understanding.

4 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Conte wanted out though, who wants a manager who is miserable all the time and slags the club off any chance he gets?. And the style of football was boring, and his signings of Morata,Zappacosta, Alonso are hardly convincing.

I don't think we'll ever know for sure but I think something happened towards the end of the first season with Conte that completely soured the relationship between him and the board. 

I think signings was a big part of the problem. As soon as he won the title Conte was saying he needed more quality and more depth because of the demands of playing in Europe. 

I don't think he was happy with the signings that were being made. We went and signed average players and was asking the manager to perform miracles with them... It was one thing for Conte to work with the players whilst we had no European football and he could train and educate them for entire weeks between matches. Throw in the demands of Europe and that's when you really need quality but we didn't have it and I think he knew it. 

I reckon most don't want him to be sacked and the team get another hard reset, but where does he go from here? He's already threw all the players under the bus, no idea how to motivate players,told us we are losing because the team is not playing his football, and refused to even think about a plan B. It's either naivety or arrogance, because even Pep with his Billion dollar team had to make adjustment to get results. For me, he needs to eat some humle pies and put results ahead of his philosophy, he doesn't want the Sarri ball to be remembered as the City mauling.

Dare I suggest we contact Mourinho?
If he’d be up for the challenge again I’d give him the job in a heartbeat, considering the circumstances.

1 minute ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I reckon most don't want him to be sacked and the team get another hard reset, but where does he go from here? He's already threw all the players under the bus, no idea how to motivate players,told us we are losing because the team is not playing his football, and refused to even think about a plan B. It's either naivety or arrogance, because even Pep with his Billion dollar team had to make adjustment to get results. For me, he needs to eat some humble pie and put results ahead of his philosophy, he doesn't want the Sarri ball to be remembered as the City mauling.

Corrected for you above and agree, not sure the man is for turning so to speak.

Sarri doesn't believe in compromise yet even Pep dropped John Stones in his first season.

 

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Dare I suggest we contact Mourinho?
If he’d be up for the challenge again I’d give him the job in a heartbeat, considering the circumstances.

Not Mourinho as some of the same players are still at the club when they stopped playing for him.

I think I would prefer another Italian, perhaps RDM to take us up to the season end as at least he had a trick up his sleeve  yet where we go from there........................

Edited February 11, 20197 yr by Strider6003

1 minute ago, Strider6003 said:

Not Mourinho as some of the same players are still at the club when they stopped playing for him.

I think I would prefer another Italian, perhaps RDM to take us up to the season end as at least he had a trick up his sleeve  yet where we go from there........................

Hazard have come out and said he's love to work with Mourinho again though. I don't think there would be an issue.

Just now, Sindre said:

Hazard have come out and said he's love to work with Mourinho again though. I don't think there would be an issue.

Perhaps he thought that would be at Real Madrid.

I'm still in the Sarri In camp here, despite the sh*te sandwich that was served up yesterday. It's clear our squad needs an overhaul of 6-7 players, it's been clear since Jose left the second time, he said it, Conte said it, and now we can see that Sarri is thinking it. 

Can't help but feel he is already doomed. We are going backwards.

Jorginho belongs in league 1 in current form. It's all very depressing. 

Sergio Aguero though, what a player...

In - simply because I don't see any decent replacements and Lampard/Jody probably needs some more experience first. 

However, we need to see something change - besides Kovacic for Barkley and Willian for Pedro.

What we are doing is clearly not working, so I'd love to see some major changes to our lineup:

                        Kepa

Rudiger Christensen Luiz Emerson

                      Kovacic

           Kante              RLC

CHO                                  Hazard

                     Higuain

The thinking being that Sarris system needs a deep lying playmaker to function, so you can't really play Kante there. I doubt he'll switch to a 4-2-3-1 as well, which is why I put Kovacic at the base to add some more physicality there. Ruben is simply a better player than Barkley, and adds another dimension with his driving runs with the ball - he also adds a bit more of a goal threat. 

Both fullbacks need replacing atm, of course it's not perfect putting Rudiger there but it gives us more height and physicality overall, it's not like we have much attacking output from our right anyway with Azpi playing there. 

Callum gets in the team simply because we need something different, and also it wouldn't hurt to start thinking about the future. We have this amazing talent coming through the academy, lets play him when none of his competitors really are performing to a satisfying level atm.   

Bottom line is things aren't working, players aren't performing so something needs to be done. Anything

19 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Dare I suggest we contact Mourinho?
If he’d be up for the challenge again I’d give him the job in a heartbeat, considering the circumstances.

Hell No! 

10 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

In - simply because I don't see any decent replacements and Lampard/Jody probably needs some more experience first. 

However, we need to see something change - besides Kovacic for Barkley and Willian for Pedro.

What we are doing is clearly not working, so I'd love to see some major changes to our lineup:

                        Kepa

Rudiger Christensen Luiz Emerson

                      Kovacic

           Kante              RLC

CHO                                  Hazard

                     Higuain

The thinking being that Sarris system needs a deep lying playmaker to function, so you can't really play Kante there. I doubt he'll switch to a 4-2-3-1 as well, which is why I put Kovacic at the base to add some more physicality there. Ruben is simply a better player than Barkley, and adds another dimension with his driving runs with the ball - he also adds a bit more of a goal threat. 

Both fullbacks need replacing atm, of course it's not perfect putting Rudiger there but it gives us more height and physicality overall, it's not like we have much attacking output from our right anyway with Azpi playing there. 

Callum gets in the team simply because we need something different, and also it wouldn't hurt to start thinking about the future. We have this amazing talent coming through the academy, lets play him when none of his competitors really are performing to a satisfying level atm.   

Bottom line is things aren't working, players aren't performing so something needs to be done. Anything

Was literally about to write the same line up.

This wouldn't involve him abondoning his style of football but would show us that he can adapt to the league. Kovacic as stated can defend and will press hard unlike Jorginho who looks like he's stuck in the mud at the moment. Emerson is obvious, Alonso shouldn't be near the starting 11 for any big games anymore. RLC offers so much more in that postition than the other two, he looks dangerous every time he stretches his legs with the ball and will only improve.

CHO is the most baffling one, morata was poor but still lacked service as all of our wingers barring CHO like to cut inside so why not play him, this is even more evident with Higuain who can quite clearly still play but without the service it becomes difficult and if he drops deep to find the ball we are left with no presence in the box again.

There's clearly far to many issues at the moment and something will have to give. At the moment i hope it still a clear out of some players and us hiring a DOF with a vision to match the managers, whoever that may be. At this point in time i'd still keep Sarri around but his subs at repeated starting 11 are cause for concern especially with the points stated in the in the above post, he doesn't have to give up on what he believes in but even give us a personnel change to try and adapt it to the league because at the moment i only see this ending one way......... unlce Gus coming in for a few months.

35 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Dare I suggest we contact Mourinho?
If he’d be up for the challenge again I’d give him the job in a heartbeat, considering the circumstances.

f**k no. Enough of that already. 

If anything, Jose's last stint with United and their immediate transformation under Solskjaer has showed that The Special One failed to keep up with the times and regressed as a manager. He needs some time off, if you ask me. In any case, his time at Chelsea is over. Thanks, but no thanks.

45 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I don't think we'll ever know for sure but I think something happened towards the end of the first season with Conte that completely soured the relationship between him and the board. 

I think signings was a big part of the problem. As soon as he won the title Conte was saying he needed more quality and more depth because of the demands of playing in Europe. 

I don't think he was happy with the signings that were being made. We went and signed average players and was asking the manager to perform miracles with them... It was one thing for Conte to work with the players whilst we had no European football and he could train and educate them for entire weeks between matches. Throw in the demands of Europe and that's when you really need quality but we didn't have it and I think he knew it. 

The criticism of Conte would be his lack of long-term commitment to the club, but he was outstanding in our first season and wasn't given enough support and backing after delivering what was seemingly the impossible after a dismal season before he arrived. The circumstances of his exit were terrible and handled very poorly by both parties.

Speaking of his second season, we weren't playing that badly early in the campaign but after new year we fell apart. Despite all of that, we managed to win the FA Cup and salvage something out of the season despite falling short of a top 4 finish.

In all honesty, I'd take what Conte did last season in a heartbeat compared to the rubbish we're producing now. Regardless of the opponent, losing 6-0 is thoroughly unacceptable and to see a manager who's too stubborn to change his weaknesses only intensifies my frustration.

The issue with the playing squad is nothing new. It's been happening for years and we had two chances in the form of Mourinho and Conte to buck the trend and finally support the manager, but instead we wilted in both instances and empowered them. I don't know why some supporters are becoming suddenly concerned about it now when they were all so eager to ditch these previous managers at the first sign of trouble.

At this point I don't care if he stays or goes. What's the point when the club won't strenghten the squad? Alonso at 28 on a deal until 2023? Someone is really taking the piss.

Lets get rid of Sarri, bring in another manager, get rid of him and bring in another, get ri...........................ad infinitum. I know we are not all happy with Sarri and Conte towards the end  and Mourinho etc. So surely there must be something else going on, The board come across as being a bit aloof and football ignorant and the players sometimes don't give a sh*t.

Something needs to change surely. Some people are happy to follow this formula as long as it brings in trophies. I would like to see a solid foundation built and work from there even if it means a period without silverware. Probably not going to happen, but its pretty sad when 90% of anything nowadays written, and spoken about Chelsea is not on the pitch related.

My wish would be a Chelsea man in charge and one who would give the youngsters a go, maybe have an assistant who knows the Chelsea youth set up, a Chelsea legend who would be afforded more time to implement his ideas and the fans would be patient with, not sure who?....hang on wait a minute, there maybe a due working in the championship at present, there names escape me, scored 200 against the pikies or something?

Just now, chi blue said:

My wish would be a Chelsea man in charge and one who would give the youngsters a go, maybe have an assistant who knows the Chelsea youth set up, a Chelsea legend who would be afforded more time to implement his ideas and the fans would be patient with, not sure who?....hang on wait a minute, there maybe a due working in the championship at present, there names escape me, scored 200 against the pikies or something?

Agree with that man and most Chelsea fans would give him all the respect but more importantly the time. Unfortunately in the money driven world of modern football esp. our board that won't happen.

3 minutes ago, chi blue said:

My wish would be a Chelsea man in charge and one who would give the youngsters a go, maybe have an assistant who knows the Chelsea youth set up, a Chelsea legend who would be afforded more time to implement his ideas and the fans would be patient with, not sure who?....hang on wait a minute, there maybe a due working in the championship at present, there names escape me, scored 200 against the pikies or something?

They lost the chance letting JM go. He should have been made the assistant with a brief of playing the youth and a 3 year target. I know these days a long term goal is not ever given but we had the chance with youth who had won everything for club and country. There was debate here about whether we would be happy not winning things for while but at least, with a firm goal in sight, we would know the plan.