9 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Impossible to tell because it is 6 games after he got sacked. 

Maybe Lamp would turn our form around and we are flying high and beat Atletico 3-0,3-0. 

 

 

Maybe - but is that what you think would have happened?

He wouldn't have done it, as it would be a step down, but he could have used a year or two as someone like Tuchel's assistant, before jumping into a big job.

12 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Why?

Lampard is gone. Move on.

Yeah, some look like they are ready to draw the knife out again on Lampard at any point in time when things go well....

59 minutes ago, RMH said:

Yeah, some look like they are ready to draw the knife out again on Lampard at any point in time when things go well....

Or just looking to see if the forum members on here assess that the decision the board took has been justified by recent results. 
 

Most of us were hurt and upset by the sacking, but from my own opinion (which is all any of us can give), we would not be where we are now if we had stuck by lamps. 
 

that's not knives out - it is simply opinion on recent results

7 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Or just looking to see if the forum members on here assess that the decision the board took has been justified by recent results. 
 

Most of us were hurt and upset by the sacking, but from my own opinion (which is all any of us can give), we would not be where we are now if we had stuck by lamps. 
 

that's not knives out - it is simply opinion on recent results

Fair enough. If you want to know my opinion, I think we could have gone through Atlético but maybe not with the command that we had in both games. Atleti went to get a draw in the first game, their game plan was to defend and we would not have struggled in that match. We also got a lucky goal. That changed Atletico's game plan for yesterday's match, they had to come out and play. That's where Lampard did not struggle, we could get results against teams that did not sit deep. So I think we could have gone through. 

And I think we would have stuffed LEEDS.

Overall I am happy with the work Tuchel is doing, great that the man that took charge of the team is getting results (although some borefests have been served too), and he's someone I like as a person. He's got more experience than Lampard, and that shows, true. But we hired Lampard knowing all this and the board should have shown more patience to let him build something special at Chelsea, his Club. He may not become a great coach but if he does, he will not do it in this Club, and that is sad. Many on here said at the time that they would like Lampard even if we did not get into CL, that did not last much, did it?

15 minutes ago, RMH said:

Fair enough. If you want to know my opinion, I think we could have gone through Atlético but maybe not with the command that we had in both games. Atleti went to get a draw in the first game, their game plan was to defend and we would not have struggled in that match. We also got a lucky goal. That changed Atletico's game plan for yesterday's match, they had to come out and play. That's where Lampard did not struggle, we could get results against teams that did not sit deep. So I think we could have gone through. 

And I think we would have stuffed LEEDS.

Overall I am happy with the work Tuchel is doing, great that the man that took charge of the team is getting results (although some borefests have been served too), and he's someone I like as a person. He's got more experience than Lampard, and that shows, true. But we hired Lampard knowing all this and the board should have shown more patience to let him build something special at Chelsea, his Club. He may not become a great coach but if he does, he will not do it in this Club, and that is sad. Many on here said at the time that they would like Lampard even if we did not get into CL, that did not last much, did it?

This season when Lamps started to struggle, we were already struggling to score and create. It wasn't as if Tuchel has come and sacrificed attacking. He's improved the backline whilst our chance creation is stil near enough as bad as it was under Frank. We had plenty of games this season under Frank where we went so long without creating and scoring.

It’s obvious Tuchel is a better manager. I just don’t see the need to criticise Lampard, we all knew he was very inexperienced and most of us were willing to give him time. Roman wasn’t. In short term it was probably the right choice but it may not be in long term. No one knows. 

I still think Frank getting top 4 was a HUGE achievement given the state of the squad. It’s disappointing that the board didn’t think it was.  The fact that it was in a semi decent place was down to Frank integrating the youth. Without it, we would have really struggled. Its a shame that Frank lacked the experience to take the squad to the next level. 

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by JM7

You can bet your life Lamps is still brooding, licking his wounds and wondering how it all went wrong.

Naivety, inexperience, bit of stubbornness - sure he'll still be mulling it over and thinking about what he could have done differently and what he would do if he could turn back the clock. He must be as surprised as anyone just how TT has turned things around and looking at some of the players and scratching his head.

All part of the learning experience and being the perfectionist he is, I am sure he will come back stronger. Be interesting to see what job he takes next after a well-earned rest. Could see it being someone like Newcastle or Palace.

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by Nibs

41 minutes ago, Nibs said:

You can bet your life Lamps is still brooding, licking his wounds and wondering how it all went wrong.

Naivety, inexperience, bit of stubbornness - sure he'll still be mulling it over and thinking about what he could have done differently and what he would do if he could turn back the clock. He must be as surprised as anyone just how TT has turned things around and looking at some of the players and scratching his head.

All part of the learning experience and being the perfectionist he is, I am sure he will come back stronger. Be interesting to see what job he takes next after a well-earned rest. Could see it being someone like Newcastle or Palace.

Frank had any sense he should stay well clear of Newcastle. The worst job you could get.

LAMPARD first interview since the sack...

 

"No matter how good you think you are or whatever circumstances you are in, [being sacked] can happen," Lampard said.

"It gives you a sense of perspective of what's important. It came at a time where we were due a young son and it has given me a lot more time to be home so you count your blessings on that front.

"It has been great to be around the family. I have had some opportunities that have come up in the last six weeks to two months that have been flattering and nice but it wasn't the right thing. It has certainly been nice to step out having been managing two and a half years full pelt.

"With the family situation, the opportunities were not quite right. I think about it and it would be something I am keen to do at the right time and the right place. As much as I am resting and recuperating away from the game, I am keeping an eye on it.

"I am looking forward to things that may come. I am watching football and trying to learn and get better. In this game, you never stop learning so I will try and find the right time and opportunity, if it comes and I am very keen to get working again."

In addition, he went on to admit that he tried to sign Rice, who has been nominated for London Footballer of the Year: "Now you see him in the England squad and quickly you don't see an England team without Declan in it.

"We are fortunate to have him in England, West Ham are fortunate to have him. He's a leader and it is clear that he's destined for great things. I have probably given it away with how I spoke about him but I think it's common knowledge that I was a big fan of his.

"It didn't happen for various reasons, but we brought in a lot of players in the summer. But I was a big fan of him. For understandable reasons, West Ham know the player that they have on their hands.

 

"I don't want Declan to be in an uncomfortable position through this because all I see from him is absolute performance and desire to play for West Ham. They gave him the chance there and the choice will be Declan's as the years go ahead, but his performances are great to watch."

 

The 22-year-old wore the captain's armband for the first time as the Blues beat Luton Town 3-1 in the fourth round of the FA Cup in what turned out to be Lampard's final match in charge.

Lampard, who was sacked days later and replaced by Thomas Tuchel, says the England international deserved to be trusted to lead the team and challenged him to "rise up" to the role.

"A nice feeling when I left Chelsea in my last game was that I made Mason captain," the Chelsea icon said at a Q&A at the Willow Foundation ahead of the London Football Awards.

"It wasn't a gesture because I didn't know I was leaving! But it was about his authority and standing in the group that had risen. He needed to see that and understand that. He needs to rise up.

"The minute I gave him the armband, I saw the look on his face and what it meant to him. That's something you get when you bring through academy players and fans love it. They have been fighting with desire since they were eight years old. That's tangible and something that's important.

"You won't always see it at 20 because they might have dips in confidence or moments in games that come. But when you have players who have that care, then it doesn't matter who the manager is. The desire they have themselves will carry though because they work so hard.

"When I left Chelsea, and this is no disrespect to the manager who has come in, but I would have put my house that they would think, 'Wow Mason Mount trains every day like a champion. He works off the ball and sets the press, has great quality, is improving all the time and now he is adding goals to his game."

"That's the end of Mason Mount but as you can see, I like him a lot! I probably said enough about him because people used to say he was my son, but I'll be quiet there."

Edited April 9, 20215 yr by DidierDrogbalala

I didn't get the meaning of "we were due a young son" right away, at first I thought he meant the club needed a sperstar from the academy. I blame too many references to Mount being Frank's 'son' 

https://talksport.com/football/880031/frank-lampard-crystal-palace-roy-hodgson-chelsea-premier-league/

I know its talksport and they are only good for listening to the idiot phone ins but what does everyone think if this happens?

I think he wants to get back into managing but wanted to stay around London so was waiting for something like this to come up.

Perfect fit for franky if you ask me

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12310446/frank-lampard-former-chelsea-midfielder-inducted-into-premier-league-hall-of-fame

 

Frank inducted into the Premier League hall of fame. Well deserved now for JT, Didier and Petr please

Seems to be linked to the Palace job once Roy leaves at the end of the season. Would be a good fit for him I think. Get him a good few years practice in the PL, before jumping back to a big job again. Could take some of our youngsters on loan again I'm sure.

Hah Cantona in ahead of those other options. Farce.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Hah Cantona in ahead of those other options. Farce.

 

6 hours ago, charierre said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12310446/frank-lampard-former-chelsea-midfielder-inducted-into-premier-league-hall-of-fame

 

Frank inducted into the Premier League hall of fame. Well deserved now for JT, Didier and Petr please

Its a popularity context .. doubt JT getting in there anytime soon.. 

Congrats to SFL - Amazing amazing player , so many great memories.. more strength to you !

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9595921/LAMPARD-MEETS-REDKNAPP-Frank-speaks-loving-Abramovichs-approach-sacking-more.html

 

Really good interview with Frank

7 hours ago, Zeta said:

Seems to be linked to the Palace job once Roy leaves at the end of the season. Would be a good fit for him I think. Get him a good few years practice in the PL, before jumping back to a big job again. Could take some of our youngsters on loan again I'm sure.

Can't wait for the inevitable "when he realises he can't have Mount this time" memes.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Can't wait for the inevitable "when he realises he can't have Mount this time" memes.

He can try to get Mount on loan again 

9 hours ago, charierre said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12310446/frank-lampard-former-chelsea-midfielder-inducted-into-premier-league-hall-of-fame

 

Frank inducted into the Premier League hall of fame. Well deserved now for JT, Didier and Petr please

Petr needs to retire before he’s allowed in!

Great interview with Frank and his Cuz, its in the Mail, lots of great insight, honest as the day is long, his love of Roman, oh and Reece😍

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9595921/LAMPARD-MEETS-REDKNAPP-Frank-speaks-loving-Abramovichs-approach-sacking-more.html

He really is a top man. I hope he comes back one day, winning the league under Frank really would be the highlight of my lifetime supporting Chelsea!

Full interview from the telegraph.

 

Whether it be the winners’ medal he found in a shoe, the supporters who still sing his name and idolise him for his service as a player and head coach, or his entry into the Premier League Hall of Fame, reminders of his special connection with Chelsea are never too far away for Frank Lampard.

That bond has not been diminished by his sacking, despite admitting that his pride initially took a hit and readying himself, as he has always done, for the next challenge and restarting his managerial career away from Stamford Bridge.

“I have to say that when you lose your job it’s hard,” said Lampard. “Anyone who says anything differently is a liar. It’s not the truth. There’s an element of pride, you’re working towards something one day and then it’s taken away from you. That’s life. You have to be a realist about it. 

“Very quickly the dust has to settle and one of the biggest things for me, living in Chelsea, a mile from the ground, is that I walk around and see Chelsea fans all of the time. You do wonder what the reaction will be because you’ve lost your job, will they be happy with what you did or not? And I think it made me realise even more, the bond I had with them from my playing days but also what they saw, what I was working towards in season one [as head coach], up until the point where I left in season two. I was working with a real vision because I care about the club
 

“I wouldn’t have gone into the job without a full understanding that at some stage I might leave in whatever circumstances. I didn’t go into it with just a full heart, wanting to go back to Chelsea after a year managing at Derby. I went into it with a full head and realising what an opportunity it was. Would it last forever? History tells you probably not. 

“I’ve come to terms with the fact that my managerial career just carries on and the beautiful thing is that I have come away from the club that I love, played at for so long and I’ve still got some really strong connections and I love that side of it.”

The past three months, since losing his job as Chelsea head coach at the end of January, have given Lampard a rare chance for reflection and the opportunity to find new employment as the family bin man, while also spending time with wife Christine and their young children, Patricia and Freddie, who was born in March, and his older daughters Isla and Luna.

“It’s been a nice couple of months just to take in, being with a baby, not working and completely throwing yourself into that and I’ve enjoyed that side and that’s been a big plus,” said Lampard
 

“The shock has been how often I’ve been called upon to do the house chores. Dishwasher, the rubbish, I’m the rubbish man, taking it out every Monday and Thursday.”

Induction into the Hall of Fame, alongside Thierry Henry, Alan Shearer, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane and Dennis Bergkamp, has brought back memories of all the highs for a footballer who was never the best player in his age group at the start of his career, but who was a record-breaker, a Premier League and Champions League winner, and a Ballon d’Or runner up by the end of it. An unexpected reminder also came when Lampard was tidying his shoes.

“I was cleaning out my shoes recently and I found one of my Premier League winners’ medals in a shoe,” said Lampard, laughing. “I probably tucked it in with a hangover the morning after an end of season do and forgot about it, and I found it in my shoe. 

“So you can probably tell I’m not huge into displaying my medals. I’m big into what’s next, where do you move on to and I don’t feel the real need to see so many reminders

“But it’s pretty humbling (being inducted into the Hall of Fame) and it gives me a personal amount of pride. An award like this made me remember moments in my early career and people I should be thanking for helping me up the ladder. I had a great work ethic and I had a relative talent that I pretty much maximised, but it would have been nothing without Harry Redknapp at West Ham, Claudio Ranieri bringing me to Chelsea with Jose Mourinho taking me to another level, I could go on and on. 

“As a kid, I was generally the second or third best player in any real team I played for, whether it be West Ham U12s, U16s, when I was at Arsenal and Tottenham training. 

“So I had this feeling that I forever needed to do more to get to where I wanted to be. I think that was a real strength, but I also did have a strong understanding of things I could improve on and things I could do to maximise myself as a midfielder. I look back and say ‘I wasn’t the quickest, I wasn’t the most skillful and all those things, so I must have had something’. And I think the work ethic and my understanding of the game were two of my biggest strengths.”

Those are strengths that Lampard has also called upon in his managerial career with Derby County, who he took to the Championship play-off final, and Chelsea, where he achieved qualification to the Champions League and reached last season’s FA Cup final after the club had lost Eden Hazard and served a transfer ban.

Chelsea had qualified from the group stages of the Champions League and completed a 17-game unbeaten run before falling down to ninth in the Premier League table when he was sacked. There have been suggestions since, even pushed by midfielder Jorginho, that the Chelsea job came too soon for Lampard, but he insists that age and experience would not have changed the rules of engagement. 

“It’s always going to be a fact as a manager when you leave a club, there will be some players who did not play so much and they might have a feeling or a judgement on how you work and they can make statements,” said Lampard. “For me, I have to expect that as much as I expect the good statements from players who are really positive about how you work. I’ve got no big issue with that. 

“I’ve seen some quotes saying that Frank Lampard took this job with his heart. I absolutely didn’t. I don’t make any professional decisions with my heart. Maybe I’m the absolute opposite of that. I’ll go over them a hundred times in my head, but I certainly didn’t with my heart. I took it with a pragmatic view of: ‘what’s the situation? OK, this is Chelsea, I’m going from Derby to Chelsea.’ Not many managers would turn that down head or heart, let’s get it right. 

“If I was to come back to Chelsea at 55 years of age, with titles behind me, I think the rules would be the same. There is an expectation to perform, and to win and if you don’t then you might leave the club. I went into it knowing how I want to manage. From the 20 years of playing, the great managers I worked under, the year in the media where I looked at myself, where I wanted to be and if I wanted to go into management.

“After my year at Derby, I was pretty clear that I wanted to go into Chelsea, make them move the ball quicker, make them penetrate lines quicker. I wanted to go and do my thing and try to bring through some younger players into the team. I did that. I didn’t get to the end game, but I certainly think I did a lot of things that I can be proud of.

“In hindsight, it’s so easy to look back and talk about team selection or choices you made. There were small details I would look at where I could have done certain things differently. It’s important to analyse yourself and to think about how you might change in the future. 

“I come away with an overall feeling of pride in what I did in the job. I wanted to stay longer, I wanted real tangible success which, at Chelsea, is winning cups and winning leagues, but it didn’t happen. Hopefully, from where I took over the job, I’ve laid down strong foundations for the future and in the context of where I wanted my managerial career to go, it was an amazing experience.”

Lampard has been struck by the messages he has received from other managers since leaving Chelsea, including Brendan Rodgers who perhaps offers the best example of why it would be unfair and unwise to write the 42-year-old off after one sacking.

Like Lampard, Rodgers made a big jump, from Swansea City to Liverpool, before being dismissed and has since proved his ability at Celtic and now at Leicester City.

“I actually spoke to Brendan maybe a month after I left Chelsea,” said Lampard. “He had some real words of wisdom because our paths had been relatively similar.

“I think Brendan is a great example. He went to Celtic, had huge success there and now what he’s done at Leicester has been very visible. So he stands out. Stevie (Gerrard) went to Rangers and now he has shown that when you are backed and have support around you and you’re great at what you do, then you can bring huge success.

“A lot of the common theme that comes back from other managers is about structure, the set-up, the timing of what you are going into, you have to take all those things into account but I hope to get those opportunities in front of me.

“I’m not rushing into anything, but if the opportunity arises and it’s the right one, then I want to work again. It’s something I love doing, I love working in management, even more than I thought I would do.”

Thomas Tuchel revealed in his first press conference as Lampard’s successor that his predecessor had sent him a good luck message and the German last week recognised the part Lampard played in Chelsea’s runs to this season’s FA Cup and Champions League finals.

 

“I just felt it [the message] was the right thing to do,” said Lampard. “I think as you mature, realising going to Chelsea the job might not last forever, things will change around you and for me the only way to have long-term success and actually to do the right thing is by acting right and showing people the right respect.

“I remember Tuchel leaving PSG and it was the talk of the training ground when we came in one day, as we had a lot of French-speaking players, and then he came to Chelsea. I haven't met him at all, but the right thing to do was to wish him luck with the club that I played for for so long and had just managed. 

“He’s obviously a top-class manager and I appreciated his words last week. I was pleased to hear them because I think it's right. I'm not just giving myself credit. But if I was in his shoes, I would certainly speak like that so he's giving me credit for the first half of the season and I'll give him credit for taking it on and reaching two finals and being in contention for the top four. I would happily meet him. He’s much busier than me at the minute, so I'll leave him be for the next couple of weeks!”

Reading reports that Frank has backed out of the Palace job late in the day.

Allegedly he is shocked by the number of players whose contracts have run down.

Personally would think he is better getting a Championship side promoted rather than aiming to keep a club in the EPL.