Really hope they sort this out. It would be a massive mistake to let him go. It always amazes me how much millionaires argue over money. Surely it’s more about the club you are playing at and where you fit rather than money. 
 

United would be a disaster for him. A basket case of a club with no direction. 

Good riddance in my own PERSONAL opinion because I know a lot will disagree with me but for me he hasn't done much in 18 months and he hasn't been dragging Games by the scruff of the neck for Chelsea either when the going has gotten tough for him he has gone into his shell and whether that's due to something that came out yesterday I don't know but it's a sell for me.

44 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Really hope they sort this out. It would be a massive mistake to let him go. It always amazes me how much millionaires argue over money. Surely it’s more about the club you are playing at and where you fit rather than money. 
 

United would be a disaster for him. A basket case of a club with no direction. 

Your last sentence could very well be describing a club called Chelsea right now. 

Just looks wrong. 

We must balance the FFP books and he is our biggest asset on that matter. 

Around 60M for a player with a year left on his contract is a pretty good deal.

He is a Chelsea boy, but unfortunately desperate times call for desperate decisions. I'm sure he'd have already signed a new contract by now if it wasn't for FFP and our need to sell homegrown talent to balance the books.

Some have to die in order for others to live and for Chelsea, as a football club, this is a pivotal summer. We either judge it sentimentally or we do the right things and balance the books as fast as we can, bring the new manager (Pochettino?!) a few players that he specifically asks for and get the Boehly & Eghbali project finally going. 

We simply cannot afford another f**k up next season and top four is a must.

I like Mount, but IMHO he will never be a Lampard or a Terry in the Chelsea history no matter how much he'd stay at the club.

He is a good player, but unfortunately too much of a system player and when you have to think hard to define a player's position on the pitch, then you know 60M is a good deal.

He is not good enough for a number 10, not a winger and too lightweight to play in the pivot. As for a number 8 in a 4-3-3, similar to Ten Hag at United, it would mean a midfield of Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes which IMHO is suicidal as there is not enough steel in that area and judging by their current season, they are not really that much of a scoring machine and a possession based team to not care about being run over by any decent midfield.

Most people seem to have forgotten already that he was player of the season for 2 years. He’s good enough. Why do you think he’s good enough for Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool but not us? It makes no sense.

20 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Most people seem to have forgotten already that he was player of the season for 2 years. He’s good enough. Why do you think he’s good enough for Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool but not us? It makes no sense.

I can see both sides and this is coming from someone wishing his first team inclusion into existence since I first saw him in the youth team.

18 months of poor form is a worry especially when he's been flogged to death in the most sustained intense schedule in football but ofcourse there's also the argument that it would reflect poorly on us if he does hit his best form again. 

If we give him a bumper big deal and this proves to be early burnout some of the same people saying we should sign him up at any price will also end up bashing Boehly for lack of foresight.

I'm actually not sure if he's making the right decision himself, he will get unlimited patience with us but at any of our rivals he will be expected to hit the ground running immediately, you only need to see what he gets from England fans to know that. If the small minority of d**khead trolls are playing a part in this decision he's better off going abroad because he will still have them at one of our rivals with potentially the crowd turning on him added to that (something that will never happen here).

The problem we have is FFP and my understanding it is by the end of June before we can buy new players.

I would not be surprised if talks are already on-going for Ziyech and Kovacic and perhaps even Hall yet we will come up short unless Mount or Gallagher and another player gets sold reasonably quickly.

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

It got nothing to do with Reece contract. 

What you have to look at is puli, kai timo, etc2 contract. Now put yourself in Mount position, you outplay all of them surely you want more than them. 

It does though; he has been offered more money that Pulisic & Kai but insists he wants parity with James. The club isn’t looking to give Pulisic & Havertz contract, they are trying get rid of both players. 
Fair point he has outplayed all those players but you need more data to justify handing out bigger contracts. 
IMO for someone big on data analysis Boehly dropped the ball on James’s contract. 2019/20 he had 0 goals & 2 assists in 24 games & was handed a £60k/w contract. 2020/21 he had 1 goal & 2 assists in 32 games, so you can clearly see a trend. 2021/22 he had 5 goals & 9 assists in 26 games, you can see an usual spike in his numbers. This was during the pandemic with games cancelled and rescheduled. The data says his expected goal is 2 & expected assists is 6. He is proclaimed a “world class RB”, and with 2 yrs left on his contract his agent puts word out in the press that Madrid wants him. Boehly comes in & gives him a 4x salary bump to £250k/w. James finishes the season with 1 goal & 1 assist in 16 games which is just about normal. 

If we assume that we need to make £92m back to make FFP rules, can’t we make it back selling other players? 
 

RLC - £10m

Pulsic - 15m

Ziyech - £10m

Kova - £20m

Auba - £5m

CHO - £5m

Mendy - £10m

= £85m 

These are pretty conservative estimates as well. 

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

We must balance the FFP books and he is our biggest asset on that matter. 

Around 60M for a player with a year left on his contract is a pretty good deal.

He is a Chelsea boy, but unfortunately desperate times call for desperate decisions. I'm sure he'd have already signed a new contract by now if it wasn't for FFP and our need to sell homegrown talent to balance the books.

Some have to die in order for others to live and for Chelsea, as a football club, this is a pivotal summer. We either judge it sentimentally or we do the right things and balance the books as fast as we can, bring the new manager (Pochettino?!) a few players that he specifically asks for and get the Boehly & Eghbali project finally going. 

We simply cannot afford another f**k up next season and top four is a must.

I like Mount, but IMHO he will never be a Lampard or a Terry in the Chelsea history no matter how much he'd stay at the club.

He is a good player, but unfortunately too much of a system player and when you have to think hard to define a player's position on the pitch, then you know 60M is a good deal.

He is not good enough for a number 10, not a winger and too lightweight to play in the pivot. As for a number 8 in a 4-3-3, similar to Ten Hag at United, it would mean a midfield of Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes which IMHO is suicidal as there is not enough steel in that area and judging by their current season, they are not really that much of a scoring machine and a possession based team to not care about being run over by any decent midfield.

We're a football club, not a business. We shouldn't be shifting one of our most prized assets to balance FFP. There's some weird narrative within the fan base at the moment that to comply with FFP we should just sell off anyone from Cobham, regardless of whether they're better than who we already have in the squad. The books can be balanced by shifting out Mendy, Azpi, KK, Kovacic, Ziyech, Pulisic, Auba, RLC, CHO etc. We shouldn't be selling one of our best players to do it.

Not sure how you can say he's a system player when he's excelled for Lamps (433), Tuchel (343), and Southgate (343/4231). Its a lazy argument that's banded around far too much in football. You can play him anywhere from an 8, a 10, out wide and he always puts in a 7/10 performance as a minimum. Whichever club gets him will be lucky.

As for Utd, i imagine he takes the Erikson/Sabitzer role. Huge upgrade for Utd, not sure why we'd want to help them out. High energy/tempo in the middle of the park with a final pass. 

There is also an issue around timing

13 minutes ago, JM7 said:

If we assume that we need to make £92m back to make FFP rules, can’t we make it back selling other players? 
 

RLC - £10m

Pulsic - 15m

Ziyech - £10m

Kova - £20m

Auba - £5m

CHO - £5m

Mendy - £10m

= £85m 

These are pretty conservative estimates as well. 

that said, there is an issue around timing as well. We’re unlikely to sell all of those players by the 30th June. So selling Mount for one lump sum would likely help our FFP issues. 

If he's unwilling to sign or drag it along into next season, we have no choices but to sell him, We can't afford another Rudiger situation. I don't think he will settle for a 8 year deal with reduced based pay, he's at the stage where he's on the big bucks, or at least that's what his agent will tell him.

£80m for Mount would be excellent business. 20m less and far less so. RLC for close to £15 to £20m would be ideal. 

25 minutes ago, enigma said:

£80m for Mount would be excellent business. 20m less and far less so. RLC for close to £15 to £20m would be ideal. 

Don’t think we’ll get £80m unfortunately. Apparently we value him at that but realistically, it will be £50-60m due to only having one year left. 

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

If we assume that we need to make £92m back to make FFP rules, can’t we make it back selling other players? 
 

RLC - £10m

Pulsic - 15m

Ziyech - £10m

Kova - £20m

Auba - £5m

CHO - £5m

Mendy - £10m

= £85m 

These are pretty conservative estimates as well. 

Seems more likely we sell off the Cobham jewels in order to make up for our wastefulness in the market. Almost like the new owners looked at the Lukaku deal and said "hold my beer".

I mean there are 3 Cobham boys with huge interest around them that I have no doubt qe would receive big fees for, who's to say the owners don't decide to cash in? 

Mount is well discussed here, obviously as it is his thread, but there has been a lot of interest around Colwill (City and Pool) and Gallagher (Newcastle plus several others).

Owners could easily make 150mill there quickly of the wanted to.

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

If we assume that we need to make £92m back to make FFP rules, can’t we make it back selling other players? 
 

RLC - £10m

Pulsic - 15m

Ziyech - £10m

Kova - £20m

Auba - £5m

CHO - £5m

Mendy - £10m

= £85m 

These are pretty conservative estimates as well. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't we need to bring in book profit vs the actual transfer fee?

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't we need to bring in book profit vs the actual transfer fee?

For FFP yes we do.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

For FFP yes we do.

Yeah Mount is gone. 

I think the best deal for all parties would be finding a middle ground. I want at least one season under Pochettino, so if we could get a year extension on a wage that suits all parties and then come next season we find the solution either sell or keep.

If we sell him then it proves that no matter how much we tried we still couldn't keep academy graduates around the first team. Tomori, Abraham, Gilmour, Guehi, Lamptey to name a handful have all gone on and proved they're quality. Ake is another example, letting Mount leave because we didn't want to meet his wages seems poor.

I'm sure there's more to it, regarding Mount but we continue to lose quality homegrown talent only to overspend on oversees players who recently haven't been living up to their so called big name status

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We're a football club, not a business. We shouldn't be shifting one of our most prized assets to balance FFP. There's some weird narrative within the fan base at the moment that to comply with FFP we should just sell off anyone from Cobham, regardless of whether they're better than who we already have in the squad. The books can be balanced by shifting out Mendy, Azpi, KK, Kovacic, Ziyech, Pulisic, Auba, RLC, CHO etc. We shouldn't be selling one of our best players to do it.

Not sure how you can say he's a system player when he's excelled for Lamps (433), Tuchel (343), and Southgate (343/4231). Its a lazy argument that's banded around far too much in football. You can play him anywhere from an 8, a 10, out wide and he always puts in a 7/10 performance as a minimum. Whichever club gets him will be lucky.

As for Utd, i imagine he takes the Erikson/Sabitzer role. Huge upgrade for Utd, not sure why we'd want to help them out. High energy/tempo in the middle of the park with a final pass. 

Every club is a business, especially top ones. Otherwise we would see tens of thousands of clubs go bankrupt every two years with tens of thousands others come out of the blue all of a sudden just to go bankrupt in a couple of years and so on and so forth.

Passion and history it will only take you so far. The rest is in the hands of businessmen and smart accountants.

From a business perspective this deal makes sense on all levels. Mount has a year left on his contract, will very soon be 25 years old, would demand high wages for a new contract and the million dollar question - is his ceiling that high though? 

I've watched every Chelsea match that Mount has been involved în since coming back to his loan. For me personally he has already hit his peak. He brings energy and has a decent long range shoot. And that's about it for me.

From a business perspective - the club is in need of "homegrown" money to make things easier în regards to FFP. Can they really reject 60M and offer him a new contract on top of that? For more than 200k a week?

Let's be honest, does he really look like a KdB, Gundogan, Modric, Kroos in the making? To me he does not. That's the sort of players you reject every offer for, no matter how deep sh*te you are into as a club.

4 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Most people seem to have forgotten already that he was player of the season for 2 years. He’s good enough. Why do you think he’s good enough for Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool but not us? It makes no sense.

Those clubs all play a 3 man midfield, he can play a similar role to what Henderson did at Liverpool. We play in him a front 3 usually, where he really isn't spectacular

 

Personally I think he's just another version of Oscar, very solid player but isn't going to become the Lampard/Terry world class club legend everyone seems to think.

60m for him with 1 year left is very decent money, especially if we can get someone like Rice or Caicedo in.

So if we want to keep Mount we can. We just give him a good deal.

If we won't keep him I suspect 1 of 2 things:

1. He has said he wants to leave

2. He is not viewed as being a player that takes us forward. 

I still think we will strike a deal with him.

6 hours ago, JM7 said:

If we assume that we need to make £92m back to make FFP rules, can’t we make it back selling other players? 
 

RLC - £10m

Pulsic - 15m

Ziyech - £10m

Kova - £20m

Auba - £5m

CHO - £5m

Mendy - £10m

= £85m 

These are pretty conservative estimates as well. 

That's 75m 🤣

Got to assume Liverpool and arsenal have both balked at his demands and looking elsewhere if united are his first choice.