The chance he fluffed just summed up his Chelsea career and our general attack so far this season in a nutshell. 

Hopefully he's not taking shooting tips from his German mate, he was trying to blast the the ball through the GK's chest on a couple of the big chances, just like Timo. His movement was good through,  remind of us what he was in Germany.

4 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Hopefully he's not taking shooting tips from his German mate, he was trying to blast the the ball through the GK's chest on a couple of the big chances

My old coach used to say "you don't need to kill him, you just need to miss him".

Thought he looked very good again, got a few decent chances. I think he’ll blossom into a world class player in that role.

I just can’t believe how awful the rest of our attackers are. Even Pulisic looks awful. So strange.

46 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Thought he looked very good again, got a few decent chances. I think he’ll blossom into a world class player in that role.

I just can’t believe how awful the rest of our attackers are. Even Pulisic looks awful. So strange.

Best thing about his performance was his hold-up play for me. Surprised me how good he was at that.

Tuchel deserves credit for how he's handled Havertz since he arrived. Gave him a much needed break, changed his position and finally we are seeing the potential in our record-signing.

 

Did well yesterday, but having him play with his back to goal as a central striker is a Complete waste of his talent, he has shown his best play us hitting the box late, getting in behind the defence and ahead of the striker so to stuck him between the centre backs was just ridiculous. 

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Did well yesterday, but having him play with his back to goal as a central striker is a Complete waste of his talent, he has shown his best play us hitting the box late, getting in behind the defence and ahead of the striker so to stuck him between the centre backs was just ridiculous. 

If we play him as a 10 behind one striker, where do we play Mount?

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

If we play him as a 10 behind one striker, where do we play Mount?

Just a bit deeper, I think Mount is good enough to be a complete CM he doesn't need to be the AM even if that position has been his. Mainly because he doesn't create enough but he's great all around when it comes to running, pressing, recovering the ball...

13 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

If we play him as a 10 behind one striker, where do we play Mount?

Stick to 3-4-2-1, then Mount can play alongside Havertz, or as one of the 6's in the midfield

21 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

If we play him as a 10 behind one striker, where do we play Mount?

Between him and kante linking to the attack, he moves between the lines very well.

Edited March 14, 20215 yr by dkw

44 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Just a bit deeper, I think Mount is good enough to be a complete CM he doesn't need to be the AM even if that position has been his. Mainly because he doesn't create enough but he's great all around when it comes to running, pressing, recovering the ball...

Mount and Jorgi then?

44 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Stick to 3-4-2-1, then Mount can play alongside Havertz, or as one of the 6's in the midfield

I wonder I they would get in each others way that way.

38 minutes ago, dkw said:

Between him and kante linking to the attack, he moves between the lines very well.

Interesting ideas gents. Would yours not lead to Mount vs Kante arguments on here in place of Jorgi vs Kante DKW.

I do agree Mount can be developed in to a complete midfielder.

Thought he was decent enough yesterday all apart from where it really mattered - right in front of goal.

Never been a fan of the "false 9" and yesterday reminded me exactly why that is.

 

6 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Thought he was decent enough yesterday all apart from where it really mattered - right in front of goal.

Never been a fan of the "false 9" and yesterday reminded me exactly why that is.

 

Even though Tommy says he played the same role I think he acted as a more typical number 9 in the leeds game. Against Everton for me he was much more involved in the build up.

I wouldn't give up on it yet but Kai shouldn't be the only player recognised as a striker in our line ups. Kai works best as a false 9 accompanied with a fwd like Werner who will run in behind its making spaces for players like that when the system works with Kai at the top.

I'm hoping we see Kai play in one of the supporting two roles behind the striker as well as false 9 for the rest of the season. Almost like the Hazard role under Conte but from the right instead of the left.

47 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Mount and Jorgi then?

Sure but I'm not against Lampard's vision for the long term either, Mount-Rice in the CM/DM and in front of them Kai. That would be a strong midfield for years to come IMO but I know Tuchel might not care about Rice at all.

Obviously by playing Mount as a CM there would still be a certain unbalance in the midfield as suddenly Kovacic and Kante can't really be played regularly so I think there will be some tough decisions for the board and for Tuchel ahead of next season.

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Just a bit deeper, I think Mount is good enough to be a complete CM he doesn't need to be the AM even if that position has been his. Mainly because he doesn't create enough but he's great all around when it comes to running, pressing, recovering the ball...

Mount would have been effective in the Kante role yesterday. Same good energy/running, and whilst you lose in tackling/closing down, you make up a lot in attacking ability, passing, vision and shooting. Mount still has some bad decisions in him, but is generally more decisive on the ball than Ngolo. We didnt need 2 CMs with so little attacking ability against dirty leeds.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Sure but I'm not against Lampard's vision for the long term either, Mount-Rice in the CM/DM and in front of them Kai. That would be a strong midfield for years to come IMO but I know Tuchel might not care about Rice at all.

Obviously by playing Mount as a CM there would still be a certain unbalance in the midfield as suddenly Kovacic and Kante can't really be played regularly so I think there will be some tough decisions for the board and for Tuchel ahead of next season.

Gol, as much as I have disagreed with you over Jorginho 's worth as a player, and still do, I am with you on Havertz.

I have felt from the outset he has everything to be a special talent. His touch is great, he has real creative vision, he has a physical presence. It is always hard for players to adapt to the pace and physicality of the EPL. Especially so for someone so young who, by all accounts, was hit very hard by covid infection. If he and Mount can develop and reach their potential what a combination they can be for us longterm. They both have the game, they just need the attitudes to match it.

I do agree with @dkwpost above though. A false 9 position is not the best use of his talents.

They need to change numbers, cos they are both slim, !9and 29 is confusing, i've heard the comms cock it up a few times they have played, i'd play

Kante, Jorginho, Mount

Werner, Havertz, CHO

Could easily mix Kante,Kova, Jorginho is the pulse of midfield atm, would like an upgrade on him, Somebody find us a young Kroos...

4 hours ago, Nibs said:

Thought he was decent enough yesterday all apart from where it really mattered - right in front of goal.

Never been a fan of the "false 9" and yesterday reminded me exactly why that is.

 

You can have a false  if he's a goal monster like Messi, i cant think of anyone else that has really been a success in that position, Maybe Thomas Muller?

I must be the only one who really liked Havertz in false nine role. I’d say past two games were his best performances for us so far in league, I can just imagine how good we could be when everybody is used to their role - Everyone seeing Havertz’s movement, Werner just behind, and Mount / Pulisic / Hudson Odoi too.

I really think Havertz could be a special player in that role, he can grab us goals but he also can set others up. Could be a perfect role, imagine Werner and Pulisic at their best running into space while Havertz holds the ball up.

6 hours ago, just said:

Gol, as much as I have disagreed with you over Jorginho 's worth as a player, and still do, I am with you on Havertz.

I have felt from the outset he has everything to be a special talent. His touch is great, he has real creative vision, he has a physical presence. It is always hard for players to adapt to the pace and physicality of the EPL. Especially so for someone so young who, by all accounts, was hit very hard by covid infection. If he and Mount can develop and reach their potential what a combination they can be for us longterm. They both have the game, they just need the attitudes to match it.

I do agree with @dkwpost above though. A false 9 position is not the best use of his talents.

In general a lot of our fans, and we as a club, have a lack of patience. Just have to see the stick Mount used to get to know we have some short sited idiots that follow us.

Edited March 15, 20215 yr by axman2526

14 hours ago, just said:

Gol, as much as I have disagreed with you over Jorginho 's worth as a player, and still do, I am with you on Havertz.

I have felt from the outset he has everything to be a special talent. His touch is great, he has real creative vision, he has a physical presence. It is always hard for players to adapt to the pace and physicality of the EPL. Especially so for someone so young who, by all accounts, was hit very hard by covid infection. If he and Mount can develop and reach their potential what a combination they can be for us longterm. They both have the game, they just need the attitudes to match it.

I do agree with @dkwpost above though. A false 9 position is not the best use of his talents.

Not sure if you're just trying to lure me into mocking me later on but I also think that Havertz is good in a false 9 role, though IMO he was more like a standard CF against Leeds, I think he would be the best with a pure poacher around him like Tammy/Werner, similar to how Kaka played with Inzaghi because Havertz is at his best when he has more freedom to read the game and run into space, something that he can also do as a solo striker of course but he's much more involved if he roams more while there is someone else taking the space at the front line.

12 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

You can have a false  if he's a goal monster like Messi, i cant think of anyone else that has really been a success in that position, Maybe Thomas Muller?

Maybe Benzema while Ronaldo was in Real Madrid though he was more like an inside forward I think, kind of like Anelka... Griezmann in Atletico/France (before Barcelona) and Dybala for Juventus.

Against us Man City had De Bruyne as a false 9 more or less but that's just the benefit of having the best player in the league to solve games for you, we did the same with Hazard after all.

Edited March 15, 20215 yr by Gol15

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Maybe Benzema while Ronaldo was in Real Madrid though he was more like an inside forward I think, kind of like Anelka... Griezmann in Atletico/France (before Barcelona) and Dybala for Juventus.

Against us Man City had De Bruyne as a false 9 more or less but that's just the benefit of having the best player in the league to solve games for you, we did the same with Hazard after all.

I think Harry Kane has taken that role to the next level this season, him dropping deep and letting Son & Co drive into space behind him has been the primary source of attack for Spurs. His ability to pick a pass from deep wasn't something I thought he had in his locker but he certainly has developed that side of his game especially considering he doesn't have the lightening pace needed at times for someone who drops deep and needs to get back in the box.

He will be England's most important player in the Euros especially with Rashford, Sterling and Sancho making those runs in behind.

Is Slojo still banned?  I miss his posts.

On 13/03/2021 at 23:23, Amputechture said:

Unlike Werner, Havertz was known to be a composed finisher, with both his feet as well as his heading ability. Against Everton I thought he was very unlucky. This time however his finishing was miles off. Wouldn't look into it too much, Kai Havertz under normal curse-free Chelsea circumstances has such fine composure in front of goal. Timo, on the other hand, has always been a bit hit or miss in that regard.

Two successive games as a false nine and he's had quite a few decent opportunities. Makes clever runs at the right moments and seeing as he's been out of the squad for a while now, I'm sure his finishing will improve with match fitness.

I'm sorry Yorkley, but Kai Havertz is going to be special.

🙂 I never said he wasn't.  My gripe was with some google-twat teenager keeping on telling me he was at the level of prime Messi or C Ronaldo when nothing at all I had seen in a Chelsea shirt warranted that.  I think I said at the time he might turn out to be THAT player, but hadn't so far,

I also think we might have a bit of whistling in the dark at the moment.  I thought he was outstanding against Everton, and very unlucky.   I thought he had dropped a level or two against Leeds, and I don't quite see the justification of some of the more over the top praise for him this weekend.  He was OK.  No, he was better than OK, but fluffed his lines 2 or 3 times when it would have been easier to score.  Look how we all mocked Maguire missing from 9 inches last week, and then Havertz puts a simple header very softly down onto the floor further away from the goal than his head..

I just hope he does attain the levels some claim he is at already, and that he's not a quite expensive 1 match in 4 star.