Drinkwater was excellent the tear Leicester won but by the time we bought him he was injured and gone downhill in every way. The only real problem with alonso is he’s too slow, but that’s a fatal problem. Not sure but I’d be tempted to get Reguilon and use the change to buy a less mistake prone, fast, ball playing , tough central defender and a reliable goalkeeper. But what do I know. 

2 hours ago, SFL82 said:

Plus drinkwater was solely a marina signing, 

Oh, really? Did she tell you that personally?

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

Drinkwater was excellent the tear Leicester won but by the time we bought him he was injured and gone downhill in every way. The only real problem with alonso is he’s too slow, but that’s a fatal problem. Not sure but I’d be tempted to get Reguilon and use the change to buy a less mistake prone, fast, ball playing , tough central defender and a reliable goalkeeper. But what do I know. 

Drinkwater wasn't exactly excellent at Leicester but decent might be the right word. Kante would make a piece of wood look like a decent player alongside him.

Selling Emerson for 10-20m should push us to sign a new LB, I don't really mind if it's Chilwell or Reguilon, as long as it's one of them it's an upgrade from what we have. #backingLampard

I really don’t want Chilwell. 
 

He’s such a standard run of the mill left back. He’s not worth 30m let alone 80m. Haven’t we learned lessons with Kepa?

8 minutes ago, MayosNoun! said:

I really don’t want Chilwell. 
 

He’s such a standard run of the mill left back. He’s not worth 30m let alone 80m. Haven’t we learned lessons with Kepa?

So Kepa's performance will predict how Chilwell will do if we sign him? Riiiiiiight.

5 minutes ago, Valerie said:

So Kepa's performance will predict how Chilwell will do if we sign him? Riiiiiiight.

Unbelievable some of the moronic sh*t written on here lately, that kind of thing is a good example of it. Some rewriting of history too , when we signed kepa and drinkwater the majority were in favour of them, they were both highly rated and we were happy to have them. Now apparently with hindsight they were terrible signings the whole time, amazing.

19 hours ago, comtrend said:

These "highest football minds in the country" bought Kepa for 70mil+ and Drinkwater for 40m+. 

We also signed Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech so I don't see how a few bad examples would be a proof of anything. #backingLampard

44 minutes ago, MayosNoun! said:

I really don’t want Chilwell. 
 

He’s such a standard run of the mill left back. He’s not worth 30m let alone 80m. Haven’t we learned lessons with Kepa?

If we're selling Emerson for 20m how is someone like Chilwell not worth 30m? In today's market Chilwell is worth at least 40-60m easy.
If Ashley Cole himself said that he wants Chilwell, if Lampard said that he likes Chilwell, who are we to argue with the amount of experience that those legends have?
#backingLampard

1 hour ago, MayosNoun! said:

I really don’t want Chilwell. 
 

He’s such a standard run of the mill left back. He’s not worth 30m let alone 80m. Haven’t we learned lessons with Kepa?

I wouldn’t take notice of figures like 80m. These deals usually involve an upfront fee with bonus add-ons. Also, if things don’t work out with him, he’d still be worth a good fee in three or four years. And if it does work out, we’d have a solid left back for the next five years at least. FWIW I think he’d be an excellent signing given his age, and proven PL experience. I think some of the other overseas players being touted are more of a risk, even given they’re cheaper. 
 

The other thing to consider is that Lampard seems to want an English-based defence. Not because he’s being patriotic, but presumably because the players won’t take so long to adapt to the PL, and will be better at communicating with each other. 
 

I wouldn’t compare this deal with Kepa, where we really panicked after the departure of Courtois. In hindsight we’d have been better going for an English keeper anyway. If anything, the Kepa deal proves why Chilwell would be a better option. Scout your players properly and don’t rush into deals with the overseas flavour of the month.

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by Socrates

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Unbelievable some of the moronic sh*t written on here lately, that kind of thing is a good example of it. Some rewriting of history too , when we signed kepa and drinkwater the majority were in favour of them, they were both highly rated and we were happy to have them. Now apparently with hindsight they were terrible signings the whole time, amazing.

Spot on, although can I just put my hand up on one point, I never wanted Kepa. I wanted Kevin Trapp or Jasper Cillesen. I would still like Kevin Trapp. I always felt that he was over hyped and incorrectly classified as a great ball playing sweeper/keeper, when he was coning from Atletico Bilbao who didn't play this style of football anyway.

 

Al this is beside the point. The point is...Kevin Trapp please, or possibly Pope.

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

So Kepa's performance will predict how Chilwell will do if we sign him? Riiiiiiight.

What on Earth are you on about?

The comment is in relation to spending a lot of money on a player as we are short in that position, to then lose value when inevitably there are found out to be average. 

Chilwell is a decent enough left back but we are paying more than double his worth because he’s English. 

 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Unbelievable some of the moronic sh*t written on here lately, that kind of thing is a good example of it. Some rewriting of history too , when we signed kepa and drinkwater the majority were in favour of them, they were both highly rated and we were happy to have them. Now apparently with hindsight they were terrible signings the whole time, amazing.

Why use the word moronic then follow it up with a blatant lie and, to use your own term, the most moronic comment you’re likely to see?

You do realise you can look back and look at fans response to signing Drinkwater, yes?

”Depressing”, “F**k right off”, “Disappointed”. Yes these words certainly indicate pleasure (LOL) and these were only the first page. Literally no Chelsea fan I know was happy about that signing. 

I’m probably in the minority but I think that Chilwell is very good player and will be an upgrade on what we have.

I’d keep Alonso as back up.

I know people are hung up on the price but this is the way I see it, whether it is value for money or not won’t be clear until further down the line depending on how it turns out.

I think it’s possible to get bad value at a cheap price (e.g £20 million) or get excellent value at £75 million like Van Dyke.

I also think it’s a positive if Frank is backed with who he actually wants rather than players who fits a particular budget.

 

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by 2211

18 minutes ago, MayosNoun! said:

Why use the word moronic then follow it up with a blatant lie and, to use your own term, the most moronic comment you’re likely to see?

You do realise you can look back and look at fans response to signing Drinkwater, yes?

”Depressing”, “F**k right off”, “Disappointed”. Yes these words certainly indicate pleasure (LOL) and these were only the first page. Literally no Chelsea fan I know was happy about that signing. 

You mentioned kepa, everyone was happy with that signing, so what exactly should we have learnt about a young spanish keeper failing when looking at signing a young English left back?

3 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Oh, really? Did she tell you that personally?

Meaning she was technical director at the time and it was widely reported as a club signing not a manager driven signing. 
 

But any need to be a smart arse when we are having a friendly adult discussion? Just shows your own inadequacies mate. 

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

You mentioned kepa, everyone was happy with that signing, so what exactly should we have learnt about a young spanish keeper failing when looking at signing a young English left back?

And had you only mentioned Kepa you may have had a point but you foolishly included Drinkwater and completely invalidated your whole argument. 
 

Not everyone was happy about spending 60m on a keeper having never have seen him play, myself included. I am not for a second claiming to have predicted how he’d have turned out either as his performances could never have been predicted. However, this should be used as an example to not overspend just to fill a position. Chilwell is not great defensively and he’s okay going forward. He would do a decent job however for 80m (if this ends up the figure) you really want someone world class. 

1 hour ago, Socrates said:

I wouldn’t take notice of figures like 80m. These deals usually involve an upfront fee with bonus add-ons. Also, if things don’t work out with him, he’d still be worth a good fee in three or four years. And if it does work out, we’d have a solid left back for the next five years at least. FWIW I think he’d be an excellent signing given his age, and proven PL experience. I think some of the other overseas players being touted are more of a risk, even given they’re cheaper. 
 

The other thing to consider is that Lampard seems to want an English-based defence. Not because he’s being patriotic, but presumably because the players won’t take so long to adapt to the PL, and will be better at communicating with each other. 
 

I wouldn’t compare this deal with Kepa, where we really panicked after the departure of Courtois. In hindsight we’d have been better going for an English keeper anyway. If anything, the Kepa deal proves why Chilwell would be a better option. Scout your players properly and don’t rush into deals with the overseas flavour of the month.

While you make a lot of sense and, though I'm not very much sold on the Chilwell purchase, I agree with you in most of what you say, I have to disagree with your Kepa sentence. We bought him last minute as Courtois was awol, but we did not buy a no one, he is (or has been) Spain's number one so we were on to quality. It hasn't worked, many reasons may explain why, but he was not a Chilwell in that he was no average, or  a Reguilon in as he was unknown by many, Kepa was sought by Real Madrid and has been a national team number one keeper.

Based on the stats, which left back do you fancy ?

 

Probably the first or third one 

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Probably the first or third one 

First one is Marcus Alonso, and third is Sergio Reguilon 🙂

Chilwell is #2, and Alex Sandro is #4 ...

12 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

First one is Marcus Alonso, and third is Sergio Reguilon 🙂

Chilwell is #2, and Alex Sandro is #4 ...

Mayne wouldve been better to use Alonso's 2018/19 season, because most of his games this season have come as wing back, and he hasnt played as much as the others. 

11 minutes ago, big blue said:

Mayne wouldve been better to use Alonso's 2018/19 season, because most of his games this season have come as wing back, and he hasnt played as much as the others. 

Here you go :

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Spot on, although can I just put my hand up on one point, I never wanted Kepa. I wanted Kevin Trapp or Jasper Cillesen. I would still like Kevin Trapp. I always felt that he was over hyped and incorrectly classified as a great ball playing sweeper/keeper, when he was coning from Atletico Bilbao who didn't play this style of football anyway.

 

Al this is beside the point. The point is...Kevin Trapp please, or possibly Pope.

We had an Athletic Bilbao supporter over at the other forum cfcnet and he called it right away that he was not great with his feet but a good shot stopper.

44 minutes ago, Jangz said:

We had an Athletic Bilbao supporter over at the other forum cfcnet and he called it right away that he was not great with his feet but a good shot stopper.

Well he was half right. Lol