1 minute ago, Nibs said:

Basically, what you are saying is...........better for us it stays blurry!!

Fortunately had to switch off after the 3rd went in when guests came round....pretty much waste of a Boxing Day.  Very poor in midfield once again and the attack can't pat themselves on the back either; defence was exposed yet again and it seems we are regressing as a team, both in coaching and players; tactics of late have been shambolic, with the wingers generally running down blind alleys into a brick walls with no hope of getting behind teams including an Arsenal B team and one of the worse teams in the league at the moment.   Doubt we will beat any top 6 side this season and definitely will not finish as the best London club based on this and the last few performances.    God knows what will happen on Monday..not looking forward  to it at all. 

1 hour ago, Malta Blue said:

On a separate note anyone is welcome to notice and compliment my new picture

Is it an old film star?

58 minutes ago, FRANKIE66 said:

Another problem with the Lampards Appointment is the lack of experience alongside him. He is surrounded by personnel with similarly little experience in coaching or management. If you take United and Ollie at least he has Mike Phelan's experience to hand to fall back on. If they were to show Frank the door who is the favoured replacement. Poch or will we be waiting for Mourinhos inevitable sacking early next season. 

You do realise that Lampard picks his coaching team? 

This result was almost inevitable. Arsenal going into the game on the back of their worst start to a season since 1974/75. A team seemingly in freefall riven with internal disputes and an obvious lack of discipline on and off the field and a manager possibly one game away from being sacked. They put out a team this evening who most pundits agreed was one of the weakest teams they have fielded for a very long time.

Then along come Chelsea.

They step up, and we collapse like a pack of cards. We were lucky it was only 3-1 in the end. Gutted to be quite honest.

 

That was down to Lampard. He's feeling the pressure and making really poor decisions. There was no reason to bring back Chilwell and James when they were clearly unfit. They both had poor games. If you are going to bring them back, presumably to put crosses into the box, then why is Giroud on the bench? Against a club he would've relished playing against?

Why wasn't a frustrated Werner given a break, if only for one game, so Hudson-Odoi could start a game? He looked sharp. Why was Kante at one point playing centre forward and Abraham out on the wing? Why did Havertz come on and Giroud left on the bench? Why is Jorginho still taking penalties? Never mind starting ahead of Gilmour.

It's just one poor decision after another, from line-up to tactics to in-game management. It was a masterclass in disaster. I loved Lampard as a player. But watching him so clearly out of his depth, is really sad. I know we have issues in midfield which need addressing in the next window. But we should be doing a lot better. And we shouldn't be losing against a really poor Arsenal side in the way we did today. It was pathetic, demoralising, and worst of all, totally unnecessary.

I have not seen the match and knowing the result I probably won’t bother ! Arsenal are completely crap and we should beat them easy 

this certainly reminds me of Liverpool and City in the earlier years both Klopp and Pepe who were not instant successes we can’t expect to win the league this time round, all newly constructed teams suffer from inconsistency 

Having said that by the sounds of it we should have performed better against this lot. Frank has to work on their motivation they should be busting a gut to beat the gooners !
 

Anyway onwards and upwards my favourite era of supporting Is still the old second division ?anything above that is a bonus !!

Why not give Gilmour a go? He’s the only one playing passes through the lines and gets the team moving quickly. The Jorginho sub was bizarre! He is completely the wrong player for how Lampard seemingly wants to play.

16 minutes ago, mm24 said:

You do realise that Lampard picks his coaching team? 

That's as maybe but wisdom would suggest that Frank have some experience alongside him. Maybe because he has an Uncle and Father with vast experience behind them he felt that was enough. However he seems a bit lost when it comes to tactics and slow to react to in game issues. Giroud should never have been on the bench tonight. Especially if your tactics are to pump hopeful crosses into the box. Havertz shouldn't have been on the coach with Werner on the bench. 

 

3 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

Why not give Gilmour a go? He’s the only one playing passes through the lines and gets the team moving quickly. The Jorginho sub was bizarre! He is completely the wrong player for how Lampard seemingly wants to play.

Especially considering Kovacic didn't do badly in the first half. It seems Lampard is completely disrespecting Kovacic as of late. Neither Jorginho or Havertz have shown anything that would make me want to see them over Kovacic. 

42 minutes ago, Alicja said:

Is it an old film star?

Haha nope, its genuine me

This was a poor performance, one thing you should be able to do is match your opponents work rate, we didn’t 

Sloppy slow play all over the pitch, the chickens came home to roost tonight, this has been coming

Werner was signed for his goal scoring attributes, play him the centre or bench him and play to his strengths... he has pace to burn use it

With keepers needed to stay on the line, take a tip from the boss. Hit it hard

We need to start putting  players in positions they are most comfortable 

Monday’s game now is huge 

 

 After 5 games I need to see variation in our attacks. If I see 5 more games of cross and inshallah then Lampard out. I'm on the fence but truth be told this is freaking depressing 

6 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

Especially considering Kovacic didn't do badly in the first half. It seems Lampard is completely disrespecting Kovacic as of late. Neither Jorginho or Havertz have shown anything that would make me want to see them over Kovacic. 

Game is all about opinions etc but I’m really Not sure what you saw from Kovacic apart from one neat back heel and run that got Mari an early yellow. Most of the 45 he was running as fast as me as arsenal players ran past him. Can’t remember him making many passes of being involved in the game at all. Wasn’t surprised at all that he was subbed: just surprised Jorginho came on for him 

1 minute ago, The Brit said:

Game is all about opinions etc but I’m really Not sure what you saw from Kovacic apart from one neat back heel and run that got Mari an early yellow. Most of the 45 he was running as fast as me as arsenal players ran past him. Can’t remember him making many passes of being involved in the game at all. Wasn’t surprised at all that he was subbed: just surprised Jorginho came on for him 

He got to start the game but instead of improving us and showing that he should be starting more games, he did nothing and we were 2 goals down at half time, it's a bit obvious that Kovacic doesnt' really create much nor score much either so maybe Lampard wanted more possession with Jorginho, I don't know.

If that sub didn't look that much impressive, getting Havertz into the game instead of Kante was an even stranger one, we had so many crosses so you would think that we would try to come back with 2 strikers but instead Lampard put all hopes on Havertz that was on the bench to begin with after not playing that well at all recently... Looks like Lampard wasn't prepared for this game at all.

21 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Game is all about opinions etc but I’m really Not sure what you saw from Kovacic apart from one neat back heel and run that got Mari an early yellow. Most of the 45 he was running as fast as me as arsenal players ran past him. Can’t remember him making many passes of being involved in the game at all. Wasn’t surprised at all that he was subbed: just surprised Jorginho came on for him 

Kante was a lot worse that game, his worst of the season, but no doubt that will be overlooked by the usual people. 

2 hours ago, Malta Blue said:

Leave it with me...

Did we win? Boxing Day, so football irrelevant, beer and food. Hope you guys didn’t waste your evening, especially as us old gits could of told you what was in store, so obvious, you young ones and newbies will learn? Win or Lose up the blues

26 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Kante was a lot worse that game, his worst of the season, but no doubt that will be overlooked by the usual people. 

I'd agree it was one of his worst, of not worst games of the season. That said that is an accusation you could throw at almost every Chelsea player today. Maybe Pulisic, Odoi and Silva can be excused and I have some sympathy for both full backs who really shouldn't have been on the pitch. 

Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho were all really poor today. I can understand why Kovacic was hooked rather than Kante as he has been the better player all season but either one could have been hooked and have no complaints. I'd much rather have seen Gilmour come on rather than Jorginho. It really is time to accept that Jorginho is not for us and let him go in the January window. 

7 minutes ago, loz said:

I'd agree it was one of his worst, of not worst games of the season. That said that is an accusation you could throw at almost every Chelsea player today. Maybe Pulisic, Odoi and Silva can be excused and I have some sympathy for both full backs who really shouldn't have been on the pitch. 

Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho were all really poor today. I can understand why Kovacic was hooked rather than Kante as he has been the better player all season but either one could have been hooked and have no complaints. I'd much rather have seen Gilmour come on rather than Jorginho. It really is time to accept that Jorginho is not for us and let him go in the January window. 

I can't disagree with any of that. The issue with Kante is, if he's not playing well, nobody else can successfully perform that DM role. So we may aswell just go on the attack after being 2-0 down. Kante should've been hooked over Kovacic imo. 

Either way, nobody played well today, besides maybe Pulisic and CHO. 

1 hour ago, WeatherMan said:

This result was almost inevitable. Arsenal going into the game on the back of their worst start to a season since 1974/75. A team seemingly in freefall riven with internal disputes and an obvious lack of discipline on and off the field and a manager possibly one game away from being sacked. They put out a team this evening who most pundits agreed was one of the weakest teams they have fielded for a very long time.

Then along come Chelsea.

They step up, and we collapse like a pack of cards. We were lucky it was only 3-1 in the end. Gutted to be quite honest.

 

Dare I say it but Chelsea reminded me of Arsenal today. Mentally and physically weak. 

3 hours ago, Malta Blue said:

Don't  worry about the analysis. hash browns...supermarket or McCain's and how do you prefer your bacon

unsmoked back bacon fat fully rendered, pork sausage, potato bread, soda bread, fried egg, black and white pudding, maybe a hash brown but not traditional in these parts. no beans. no tomato, mushrooms ok

13 minutes ago, loz said:

I'd agree it was one of his worst, of not worst games of the season. That said that is an accusation you could throw at almost every Chelsea player today. Maybe Pulisic, Odoi and Silva can be excused and I have some sympathy for both full backs who really shouldn't have been on the pitch. 

Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho were all really poor today. I can understand why Kovacic was hooked rather than Kante as he has been the better player all season but either one could have been hooked and have no complaints. I'd much rather have seen Gilmour come on rather than Jorginho. It really is time to accept that Jorginho is not for us and let him go in the January window. 

I agree would have rather seen Gilmour on in the second half than Jorginho who produced a very predictable display. CHO was a good sub and gave us more energy on the wing in the second half. Havertz did very little of note and I would have rather seen us gamble and play Giroud alongside Tammy for the last 15 mins.

Who was it on here who said his Arsenal mates were giving him stick over Werner. Boy do I feel sorry for you mate lol.

6 hours ago, andy said:

I have not seen the match and knowing the result I probably won’t bother ! Arsenal are completely crap and we should beat them easy 

this certainly reminds me of Liverpool and City in the earlier years both Klopp and Pepe who were not instant successes we can’t expect to win the league this time round, all newly constructed teams suffer from inconsistency 

Having said that by the sounds of it we should have performed better against this lot. Frank has to work on their motivation they should be busting a gut to beat the gooners !
 

Anyway onwards and upwards my favourite era of supporting Is still the old second division ?anything above that is a bonus !!

That Guardiola/Klopp argument doesn't really work. Those two were proven top class managers when they took over at City/Pool and they had their impressive resumes to fall back on when things weren't great in the first couple of years. Lampard doesn't have that luxury, we don't know if he has what it takes to be a top manager, we're just desperately hoping he does because we love him as our club legend. The problem with it is while the results during that process may not always be what fans hope/expect, as time goes by the performances should definitely show signs of improvement, otherwise what's the point of persisting with someone who's out of his depth.