11 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

They typically want to get all their money back, plus a premium, neither of which is realistic in my view given how much gets wasted on exorbitant player fees, wages, agents etc etc.. I don't see why a prospective new owner (or group of owners) should have to pay for bad decisions and mis-management by the incumbent ....

I've always thought this. Why do businessmen get involved? Football clubs look like money pits to me. Nearly every club is in debt. Surely nobody makes any money from professional football other than the players.

European Super League: Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli says project cannot proceed - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56830308

Now that this revolt of the rich is finished, let's get on and put limits to the national football federations (i.e. The FA), UEFA and FIFA. If the ALL the clubs get together, and with the backup of the supporters, the football clubs can reclaim much of the lost terrain in UEFA. The can start by stating that we don't need more European midweek games as that takes a toll on the performances at the national leagues and Cups, and puts players at risk of injury. Reduce international breaks. Strip UEFA and the FA of all the unnecessary bureaucracy and cut costs in there. Cap the transfer fees, especially that of the players' agents. The Clubs can win this if they wanted to and would have the supporters behind, that is for sure.

 

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Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli says the European Super League project cannot proceed following the withdrawal of the six Premier League clubs.

Agnelli was one of the chief architects of the breakaway plans, which involved 12 clubs from England, Spain and Italy.

However, with teams withdrawing, he accepts it cannot now go ahead.

"To be frank and honest no, evidently that is not the case," said Agnelli, when asked whether the Super League could still happen.

"I remain convinced of the beauty of that project, of the value that it would have developed to the pyramid, of the creation of the best competition in the world, but evidently no. I don't think that project is now still up and running."

Agnelli was described as a "snake and a liar" by Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin on Monday after the announcement of the breakaway plans on Sunday evening.

Agnelli resigned his position as chairman of the European Clubs' Association on Sunday and refused to take calls from Ceferin.

The 12-team Super League, set up by the six English teams and Inter, plus Spain's Atletico Madrid, Barcelona and Real Madrid and Italy's AC Milan and Juventus was announced on Sunday to widespread condemnation.

"Despite the announced departure of the English clubs, forced to take such decisions due to the pressure put on them, we are convinced our proposal is fully aligned with European law and regulations," the ESL said earlier on Wednesday, adding it was "convinced that the current status quo of European football needs to change".

"Real Madrid president Florentino Perez is insisting on the idea of keeping the group together to push for change," says Spanish football expert Guillem Balague.

"Barcelona say they agreed to the ESL, but only if the season ticket holders' assembly approve it, which could be their way out."

Balague also says Atletico Madrid are meeting on Wednesday morning to review their position.

 

 

55 minutes ago, RMH said:

Now that this revolt of the rich is finished, let's get on and put limits to the national football federations (i.e. The FA), UEFA and FIFA. If the ALL the clubs get together, and with the backup of the supporters, the football clubs can reclaim much of the lost terrain in UEFA. The can start by stating that we don't need more European midweek games as that takes a toll on the performances at the national leagues and Cups, and puts players at risk of injury. Reduce international breaks. Strip UEFA and the FA of all the unnecessary bureaucracy and cut costs in there. Cap the transfer fees, especially that of the players' agents. The Clubs can win this if they wanted to and would have the supporters behind, that is for sure.

Fully agree with most of it although the one thing I'm not sure about are capping transfer fees, the only people that would truly suit are the likes of Glazers and Kroenke who as it is don't need much of an excuse to act like the leeches they are. Glazers have took £2bn out of United, that's worse than any transfer fee in my opinion. Instead a system that stops people like that getting into football clubs would be the best way, even if that then means Arsenal and United would provide a further two obstacles in our own aims.

But yeah agree with the premise, last night was all well and good but if the people attended especially just fade into the background now their rainy nights in Stoke are safe then it's nothing more than a token gesture and will have no right to complain next time something like this happens.

One good thing that’s come out of this is Petr Cech reaffirming his place as an absolute f**king legend!

Down to the last two clubs left, no surprise which.

This idea isn't dead by a long shot...this is only a temporary setback...the timing was poor this time around and so was the actual plan.  In 5 years or less it will be on the table again unless UEFA and FIFA get their respective houses in order.  The bigger clubs that the mass of world wide 'fans' follow are missing out on huge chunks of revenue through various mediums, while constantly suffering huge losses through mismanagement and being overseen corrupt organizations like EUFA and FIFA....this isn't over yet. 

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Down to the last two clubs left, no surprise which.

They've been in a league of two for years anyway (minor incursion by Simeone's AM)

 

Imagine you went for a long weekend camping with no signal, and you come back to find out that while you were gone a european super league formed and already disbanded in the 3 days you were gone. Wild.

4 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

It won’t... not seen a peep about this from the masses online, people don’t mind corruption, greed, cronyism etc. as long as it’s the status quo...

 

 

I wonder if BT employee Gary Linekar will have the same energy here?

16 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

They've been in a league of two for years anyway (minor incursion by Simeone's AM)

I think Juve are still technically in as well. The shading doesn't help the graphic!

Those three clubs are the ones struggling most. All from weaker leagues but with huge wage bills where they want more money. Agnelli was complaining about the Championship play-off being worth than the CL final just the other day. So maybe don't buy Ronaldo and spend 70m on Arthur? Same for Real and Barca. Maybe don't spend 250 on Hazard and Courtois. 

 

14 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

I think Juve are still technically in as well. The shading doesn't help the graphic!

Those three clubs are the ones struggling most. All from weaker leagues but with huge wage bills where they want more money. Agnelli was complaining about the Championship play-off being worth than the CL final just the other day. So maybe don't buy Ronaldo and spend 70m on Arthur? Same for Real and Barca. Maybe don't spend 250 on Hazard and Courtois.

No club is too big to fail.

I hope Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus suffer the consequences for their financial mismanagement. Let them burn!

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Fully agree with most of it although the one thing I'm not sure about are capping transfer fees, the only people that would truly suit are the likes of Glazers and Kroenke who as it is don't need much of an excuse to act like the leeches they are. Glazers have took £2bn out of United, that's worse than any transfer fee in my opinion. Instead a system that stops people like that getting into football clubs would be the best way, even if that then means Arsenal and United would provide a further two obstacles in our own aims.

But yeah agree with the premise, last night was all well and good but if the people attended especially just fade into the background now their rainy nights in Stoke are safe then it's nothing more than a token gesture and will have no right to complain next time something like this happens.

Agree that there should be no place in football for the Glazers, Korenkes, Perez, et al... but I just don't see how that could be done. I also think that the agents play a pivotal role in the "business" model and they inflate the transfers massively (same with the TV contracts and that). I can see a how a cap or a better redistribution between all clubs of the money that moves around can help and be implemented, but I don't see how the leeches can be stopped from buying a club.

In any case, all the impetus that there was yesterday from the supporters is gone now. I don't see much reform within the UEFA unless the Clubs get together and press the organisation, but it has to be an agreed move by all the clubs if it is to go anywhere. Supporters would be behind, but I don't see more revolt from us once this is brushed under the carpet.

I’d anticipate some sort of longer term fallout from this. Whether it be staff leave clubs or UEFA and the FA think up a plan to punish us all for it after the season is done. They’ll want to restore some power back again.

Saying that, if someone independent can come in and turn the clubs heads that easily, it shows they are not as powerful and will be adding new rules all over club contracts as well.

1 hour ago, CFCCAN said:

This idea isn't dead by a long shot...this is only a temporary setback...the timing was poor this time around and so was the actual plan.  In 5 years or less it will be on the table again unless UEFA and FIFA get their respective houses in order.  The bigger clubs that the mass of world wide 'fans' follow are missing out on huge chunks of revenue through various mediums, while constantly suffering huge losses through mismanagement and being overseen corrupt organizations like EUFA and FIFA....this isn't over yet. 

Urgh the EUFA, suddenly hate the sound of that!

The Arsenal statement really was great there and is good Liverpoools owners actually apologized.

Little disappointed in what we heard from the club myself.

Will probably be my only post.

You guys did football proud last night. 
As a Tottenham supporter it takes a lot to say this, but I unconditionally applaud you.

But Enough of this sentimentality,  we have our own battle now in trying to hound our owners out over their part in this. 

But well done guys,  new found respect

Edited April 21, 20215 yr by Spurs in peace

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I wonder if BT employee Gary Linekar will have the same energy here?

Don’t forget he’ll no doubt he covering the World Cup in Qatar for the BBC, y’know the one that was corruptly bought and led to hundreds of migrant workers deaths for the construction of the stadiums. The faux outrage from everyone is silly, in my opinion.

 

The CL is the exact same as the ESL was in terms of greed. It’s purely about money. No one other than City should be in it next year. No one else are champions. What makes teams from 2nd-4th in the EPL more entitled than actual champions from other European leagues? The money those clubs attract, that’s all.

Good apology from the Liverpool owner as well.

Roman felt he had to speak about Frank's sacking. I would argue is more important he speaks now.

Edited April 21, 20215 yr by axman2526

14 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Good apology from the Liverpool owner as well.

Roman felt he had to speak about Frank's sacking. I would argue is more important he speaks now.

Forfeit the apology from Roman, in return for a little present, something to cheer the fans up, as a thank you .......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@sonic90 It’s on sale.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Forfeit the apology from Roman, in return for a little present, something to cheer the fans up, as a thank you .......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ziyech in Haaland mask?