19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

How have you come to that conclusion? There is virtually nothing to suggest Gallagher can develop a technical level to play for a top side, an area that he is extremely lacking. Is it because he looked good at Palace where they play scrappy football? Where work rate beats technical ability? 

Pulisic and Ziyech could fetch us 50-70m but this still leaves the conundrum that is our inflated midfield of average to poor quality. Some need to go to bring in who we want, and I'd rather keep Kante and Zakaria as depth over Gallagher and RLC. 

I'm basing it off his time at Palace v the other top teams, yes. There's a good player in there, willing to give him at least another season before entertaining the idea of selling him.

1/3 of the mids will be going out on loan most likely and Jorginho probably won't renew. I think keeping Kante is short sighted, he's barely fit and not the same player he was before, but having said that we aren't going to get a transfer fee for him now so might as well renew him. 

Just now, Remodez said:

I'm basing it off his time at Palace v the other top teams, yes. There's a good player in there, willing to give him at least another season before entertaining the idea of selling him.

1/3 of the mids will be going out on loan most likely and Jorginho probably won't renew. I think keeping Kante is short sighted, he's barely fit and not the same player he was before, but having said that we aren't going to get a transfer fee for him now so might as well renew him. 

So we are replacing the two starting midfielders Jorginho and Kante, but keeping the depth. 

Do you see where the problem is? So long is our depth remains the same, we are standing still, not improving. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So we are replacing the two starting midfielders Jorginho and Kante, but keeping the depth. 

Do you see where the problem is? So long is our depth remains the same, we are standing still, not improving. 

No, we are selling starting midfielders to bring in starting midfielders, so keeping the depth is what we have to do.

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

 

How are we solving the inflated average/poor midfield issue?

You didn't ask me to solve that issue.

But Jorginho will probably not renew. Kante ijsj a bit 50-50 at the moment. Loftus-Cheek should be moved on. That's 3 slots opened up there.

4 minutes ago, RMH said:

No, we are selling starting midfielders to bring in starting midfielders, so keeping the depth is what we have to do.

So standing still? Our depth has been the problem for years so your contempt with not improving it?

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

You didn't ask me to solve that issue.

But Jorginho will probably not renew. Kante ijsj a bit 50-50 at the moment. Loftus-Cheek should be moved on. That's 3 slots opened up there.

RLC is on 120kpw and is contempt with his limited Milner esq role. He's not going anywhere. 

Kovacic, RLC, Zakaria, Kante, Gallagher, Mount, Carney. 

 

Doesn't matter if he is content, I don't think he'll be wanted by Potter really.
Zakiara is on loan and there's no certainty he'll stay. He's played about 5 games and injured already.

5 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Doesn't matter if he is content, I don't think he'll be wanted by Potter really.
Zakiara is on loan and there's no certainty he'll stay. He's played about 5 games and injured already.

He's on 120kpw. Potter not wanting him won't do a thing if he is contempt with collecting that much money and doing nothing. 

Zakaria has done more than Gallagher in those 5 games alone. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Give him as much time as he needs, we still need to sell players to not get completely f**ked for FFP and we have adequate cover in his position with Mount/Havertz/Chukwuemeka/Santos/Casedei/Kovacic (assuming Kante and J5 are gone in summer. Is it worth having £50m on the bench for how often he turns up?

The younger players like Conor should be kept until we see them in a team that Potter calls his own. Remember how poor KDB looked under Jose II. You never know, Conor could be the new KDB in the right team under the right manager. Lets hope that's not Palace and Viera.

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He's on 120kpw. Potter not wanting him won't do a thing if he is contempt with collecting that much money and doing nothing. 

Zakaria has done more than Gallagher in those 5 games alone. 

I feel I should point out "content" and "contempt" are different words, since you've done it twice now 😂

Well let's see what happens in the summer, shall we.

I give up on this forum people. Gallagher and Ruben are prime examples why are midfield has been crap, to want to keep these players and actually state that Gallagher might turn into KDB is mind boggling. Are biggest problem has been hanging on to rubbish players hopping that they will come good and over hyping our academy players

10 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

I give up on this forum people. Gallagher and Ruben are prime examples why are midfield has been crap, to want to keep these players and actually state that Gallagher might turn into KDB is mind boggling. Are biggest problem has been hanging on to rubbish players hopping that they will come good and over hyping our academy players

Gallagher has played how many games for us? And all of those games have been at a time, and in a team, that is very much struggling and in transition.

Connor might not make the grade, but as of today, he is not a "prime example" of anything. 

25 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

I give up on this forum people. Gallagher and Ruben are prime examples why are midfield has been crap, to want to keep these players and actually state that Gallagher might turn into KDB is mind boggling. Are biggest problem has been hanging on to rubbish players hopping that they will come good and over hyping our academy players

During Ruben's little brief spell under Sarri I still felt people were blowing it out of proportion given how poor Kovacic was at the time. Can dribble out of a press but true technical ability is to properly control a football and when to see a pass, when to make a pass, and how much weight to put on the pass. Johan Cruyff was spot on in saying that is how you define technical ability. Not being able to juggle a ball 1000 times in a row which any footballer can do. 

 

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42 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

I give up on this forum people. Gallagher and Ruben are prime examples why are midfield has been crap, to want to keep these players and actually state that Gallagher might turn into KDB is mind boggling. Are biggest problem has been hanging on to rubbish players hopping that they will come good and over hyping our academy players

Gallagher has only just broken into the team, how is that hanging onto rubbish ?

1 hour ago, Blue72 said:

I give up on this forum people. Gallagher and Ruben are prime examples why are midfield has been crap, to want to keep these players and actually state that Gallagher might turn into KDB is mind boggling. Are biggest problem has been hanging on to rubbish players hopping that they will come good and over hyping our academy players

A factor in a squad winning the league isn't 25 Kevin de bruynes. 

You do need a couple of average players who work hard. 

I'd sell Connor if the money was right, but it would need to be 45m+

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Pulisic and Ziyech could fetch us 50-70

70m yen perhaps.

Both players were offered all around Europe in the summer and no one wanted them.  Ziyech had a good world cup and there is a market for him but his age profile won't lead to a high transfer fee.  Pulisic is a complete lost cause as he has 1 year he's injury prone and wouldn't start for any team that would pay his wages. He's not even like Werner or Lukaku who we could send back to their previous clubs because he was poor for Dortmund as well.  We'd do well to get 30m for the pair but I don't know who would want Pulisic

Gallagher is one of the few squad players we have that would command a high fee who may not be suited to elite technical football.  I can see him being moved on in the summer for 30-40m

24 minutes ago, coco said:

Gallagher has only just broken into the team, how is that hanging onto rubbish ?

They guy has been terrible every game including the last 2 pre season  group of matches when he was given ample time to shine. He might have the odd ok game against  poor opposition but the reality is he is mid to lower league player as his loan spells at Norwich and Palace proved

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Caicedo and Zakaria would make Kante a squad option, which is what he needs to be now given his fitness. 

And Kante will allegedly be getting an incentivized contact. 

Ruling out those in bold given their wages and Aubameyang having a year left on his deal and will get only peanuts. 

Mendy, Ziyech, and Pulisic could fetch us 60-80m. Potter rates Havertz. 

 

How are we solving the inflated average/poor midfield issue?

I don't see Ziyech fetching us much at all. Widley reported we made him available in the summer and Milan would not even play 15mill for him.

CP has a year left on his deal and his injury record means his value will be low.

 

However if we were to sell Connor I can see us getting 45mill to 50mill. English tax and all. Maybe CP and Ziyech could add 15mill and 5mill respectively.

Anyone remember Dennis the Menace playing for us? Wasn't technically great but covered lots of ground and was willing to kill his own granny to get a win. Was a leader, never gave up, but could start a fight in a phone box. Left a foot in. A little bit wooh, hoo. A little bit waay, hey. Anyone remember him pinching Ginger Scholes and Ferguson nearly bursting a blood vessel. The sort of player you loved playing for you, but would have hated with a passion as an opponent. Infectious, that's the best word to describe him. Always in the middle of everything. Infectious. Got everyone fired up. The fans and his team mates. I see a little bit of that in Gallagher. Still early days for  him but we probably need to nurture that see how it goes. 

 

I'd keep Gallagher, got that goals and energy in him, although he needs to improve his decision making if he's going to make it here. After his breakout season, this season was always going to be challenging, even without all the changes in the club. I'd ship out RLC for nothing, he's way passed the age of promises.

3 hours ago, just said:

Anyone remember Dennis the Menace playing for us? Wasn't technically great but covered lots of ground and was willing to kill his own granny to get a win. Was a leader, never gave up, but could start a fight in a phone box. Left a foot in. A little bit wooh, hoo. A little bit waay, hey. Anyone remember him pinching Ginger Scholes and Ferguson nearly bursting a blood vessel. The sort of player you loved playing for you, but would have hated with a passion as an opponent. Infectious, that's the best word to describe him. Always in the middle of everything. Infectious. Got everyone fired up. The fans and his team mates. I see a little bit of that in Gallagher. Still early days for  him but we probably need to nurture that see how it goes. 

 

I dont

3 hours ago, just said:

Anyone remember Dennis the Menace playing for us? Wasn't technically great but covered lots of ground and was willing to kill his own granny to get a win. Was a leader, never gave up, but could start a fight in a phone box. Left a foot in. A little bit wooh, hoo. A little bit waay, hey. Anyone remember him pinching Ginger Scholes and Ferguson nearly bursting a blood vessel. The sort of player you loved playing for you, but would have hated with a passion as an opponent. Infectious, that's the best word to describe him. Always in the middle of everything. Infectious. Got everyone fired up. The fans and his team mates. I see a little bit of that in Gallagher. Still early days for  him but we probably need to nurture that see how it goes. 

 

5 hours ago, just said:

Anyone remember Dennis the Menace playing for us? Wasn't technically great but covered lots of ground and was willing to kill his own granny to get a win. Was a leader, never gave up, but could start a fight in a phone box. Left a foot in. A little bit wooh, hoo. A little bit waay, hey. Anyone remember him pinching Ginger Scholes and Ferguson nearly bursting a blood vessel. The sort of player you loved playing for you, but would have hated with a passion as an opponent. Infectious, that's the best word to describe him. Always in the middle of everything. Infectious. Got everyone fired up. The fans and his team mates. I see a little bit of that in Gallagher. Still early days for  him but we probably need to nurture that see how it goes. 

 

Don't remember him pinching Ginger Scholes. Remember him having a pinch at Nicky Butt in the 5v0 win. Comedy gold. 

 

9 hours ago, Blue72 said:

I give up on this forum people. Gallagher and Ruben are prime examples why are midfield has been crap, to want to keep these players and actually state that Gallagher might turn into KDB is mind boggling. Are biggest problem has been hanging on to rubbish players hopping that they will come good and over hyping our academy players

He may not turn into a KDB but you calling him rubbish is mind boggling. He is a very good player who just hasn't found his way yet this season, which is down to a variety of reasons from the manager changing his positions: RWB/CM/CAM and then change in formations and generally majority of the squad has been sh*t. He has not been that good so far but how many players in our squad can you say that about?

8 hours ago, Blue72 said:

They guy has been terrible every game including the last 2 pre season  group of matches when he was given ample time to shine. He might have the odd ok game against  poor opposition but the reality is he is mid to lower league player as his loan spells at Norwich and Palace proved

This comment is nonsense sorry and I don't get how that makes sense. First of all, he was never at Norwich on loan. He was at West Brom on loan, who he joined at the age of 20 and was one of their better players. The following season he was voted Palace player of the season and was brilliant and got their POTY in a season where Zaha had his best goalscoring tally in a season ever. He scored 8 goals last season for Palace and deservedly broke in the England team because of his performances. So if anything, his loans actually proved that he is a very good player and deserved a place in the squad, not the contrary. Baring in mind he was 21/22 during his Palace loan, he did tremendously well. The whole team has been mismanaged this season and looked out of sorts and there has been times he has suffered due to it.

11 hours ago, bisright1 said:

A factor in a squad winning the league isn't 25 Kevin de bruynes. 

You do need a couple of average players who work hard. 

I'd sell Connor if the money was right, but it would need to be 45m+

I think it all depend on what our plan. If the plan is to play two dm then I will sell Gallagher when his stock is high. It will keep dropping the more we play him as dm. 

I think he may well be sold because his position can be covered and he has a reasonably high market value. He would be 100% profit in the books as well.