5 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

If Potter had joined United in the Summer Rashford would have 2 goals this season and his fan club would be saying he needs another 100m new forward and it's not Potters fault Rashford can't score because he was poor last season.

God Forbid a manager actually improve the players he's working with.  

Strange though that Ten Haag is getting good performances out of Rashford and Shaw. isn't he aware he has to replace the whole squad and that there's a 3 year process before he's allowed to win games?

United people forgot to add the word 'process' in his contract, that's why he's rushing it. Also, is he on a 5 years contract? That may have something to do with it. How dare we asking Potter to improve players? He's only been here more than 5 months, NOT 5 years😁 It's the consensus we get from people who back Potter

Next three matches in the league are winnable. Saints, Spurs away, and Leeds. 

Performances have been improving, so 9/9 points should be a goal. 

Listen to some wise words from our GOAT:

 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Next three matches in the league are winnable. Saints, Spurs away, and Leeds. 

Performances have been improving, so 9/9 points should be a goal. 

Indeed, 3 sh*test sides in the league in a row. Very kind.

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

 

Very shameful stat. 

31 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Very shameful stat. 

Listen to Franco above, everyone connected with our club should listen to whatever that amazing fella has to say. Truly our best this is, best there was, best there ever will be.

He is one of the biggest reasons we got top 4 the season Roman bought us, he could well have bought Spurs instead and where would things be then? We were heading for Bankruptcy! Could be a lot, lot worse.

Edited February 16, 20233 yr by axman2526

You know a lot on here seem to either use TT and what he achieved with us as a stick to beat Potter with, or look to dimish what he achieved to make our position seem better than it is. Why do you who do need to do that?

For those looking to take away what TT achieved, come on. He came in when we were struggling, he made Rudiger reach his full potential as a player and leader, and pulled this disorganized group together in to an amazing functional side that won us our second Champions League. He did an incredible job in a short space of time and we should remember and respect that.

For those using TT saying "oh Potter should be doing this" Potter has not come in to anything like TT did. TT came in with the trusted hand of Roman on the wheel,  no new January signings, a Dave that still had legs and a fairly healthy squad. 

Potter came in to a cluster of a transfer window, a side that lost a key leader in Rudiger, a new ownership who had nobody at boardroom level but themselves to help out while looking to establish themselves as the new large and in charges and then a January where he has had to get many more new players to try and fit in to the club ethos, which is still changing, while dealing with this massive change at all levels in the men's side.

Am not saying Potter is a sure thing, but comparing what he has been asked to do to what TT was asked to do in 2021 is two very different tasks. 

26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

You know a lot on here seem to either use TT and what he achieved with us as a stick to beat Potter with, or look to dimish what he achieved to make our position seem better than it is. Why do you who do need to do that?

For those looking to take away what TT achieved, come on. He came in when we were struggling, he made Rudiger reach his full potential as a player and leader, and pulled this disorganized group together in to an amazing functional side that won us our second Champions League. He did an incredible job in a short space of time and we should remember and respect that.

For those using TT saying "oh Potter should be doing this" Potter has not come in to anything like TT did. TT came in with the trusted hand of Roman on the wheel,  no new January signings, a Dave that still had legs and a fairly healthy squad. 

Potter came in to a cluster of a transfer window, a side that lost a key leader in Rudiger, a new ownership who had nobody at boardroom level but themselves to help out while looking to establish themselves as the new large and in charges and then a January where he has had to get many more new players to try and fit in to the club ethos, which is still changing, while dealing with this massive change at all levels in the men's side.

Am not saying Potter is a sure thing, but comparing what he has been asked to do to what TT was asked to do in 2021 is two very different tasks. 

He's got the lowest win percentage of any Chelsea manager since 1996. Forget the Tuchel comparisons, he's making Andre Villas Boas look like a tactical genius.

27 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

He's got the lowest win percentage of any Chelsea manager since 1996. Forget the Tuchel comparisons, he's making Andre Villas Boas look like a tactical genius.

Well AVB did produce something special at Porto. 

I was also a huge fan of most of his work at Spurs 🙂

When GP tries to justify his no anger approach and we say he is wrong not to be angry and show it. The key word there is show it, even if he really isn't and you see how Ten Hag reacted yesterday during the game and in his post presser you see two different mentalities on display. 

I keep harping about mentality because that's the switch up he needs to be a winner. But maybe I am missing something and his remit isn't about winning. 

Players see that long enough, even they won't ask for fouls on the pitch, all those little things that seem inconsequential alone but when all put together mean you get a few calls go in your favour. 

Be clear, I'm not asking him and his players to game the officials or harass them but you've got to show you won't accept improper or sub standard officiating impacting your results. 

He doesn't even need to get angry just show some funking passion, it will rub off on the players as his apathy does ATM.

For better or for worse I think it's obvious he's going to here next season as well so waiting for him to get sacked is pointless at this point. Even though we would certainly be better if someone else came in.

If he's this bad for the rest of the season and then gets next season and ruins that season as well I do think there will be a massive backlash against both him and the owners though.
I will also be interested in the reaction when Chalobah, Gallagher, Hudson Odoi and quite possibly Mason Mount is sold in the summer. I did think part of the "sell" of bringing him in was his expertise in developing players but we have seemingly thrown that out the window in favour of a fantastic amount of spending.

Some decent signs against Dortmund though but decent signs aren't enough are they with the amount of talent he's got to work with. He may only be on loan but Felix is a £100m player and so is Enzo. It's a given that they would improve us a littlebit.

 

What I've learned from reading the last few pages here is:

1.  It's on Potter not to only leave one slower player back at corners. I agree that  any modern coach should work on that.Specifically fast breaks from opposition corners are relatively common. Thats on the coach first up.

2. Potter is a bit naive at this level certainly compared to Tuchel and I think a number of other big coaches. I think that's true as well. This is the first time for him in the CL and first time coaching a bunch of would be stars. He likely will get better like the team. He seems like quite a fast learner.

3. the low win % is a red flag. I'm undecided on this. A 43% of whatever win percentage with Brighton is pretty good. But it's very poor at Chelsea. Ten Hag had a 73% win percentage at Ajax and he still has it with Man U or close to it.

4. We are stuck with Potter.  Not sure that is true. If we dont start scoring goals, like 2 a game and if we keep not winning the  pressure will grow and heads will roll. Probably not just Potters. In the end we will probably score in line with xG

5. Coaches don't micro manage players during games. Hmm I can remember Fabregas saying that he was surprised, as an international etc, that Conte kept telling him exactly where to play on the pitch. Conte is probably an extreme.  Personally I prefer a coach and there are plenty of them that just let the players play during a game. But those coaches still have to make a  lot of ingame calls re subs etc so I can see why they also want to coach the players.

 

Edited February 17, 20233 yr by ozboy

28 minutes ago, ozboy said:

What I've learned from reading the last few pages here is:

1.  It's on Potter not to only leave one slower player back at corners. I agree that  any modern coach should work on that.Specifically fast breaks from opposition corners are relatively common. Thats on the coach first up.

2. Potter is a bit naive at this level certainly compared to Tuchel and I think a number of other big coaches. I think that's true as well. This is the first time for him in the CL and first time coaching a bunch of would be stars. He likely will get better like the team. He seems like quite a fast learner.

3. the low win % is a red flag. I'm undecided on this. A 43% of whatever win percentage with Brighton is pretty good. But it's very poor at Chelsea. Ten Hag had a 73% win percentage at Ajax and he still has it with Man U or close to it.

4. We are stuck with Potter.  Not sure that is true. If we dont start scoring goals, like 2 a game and if we keep not winning the  pressure will grow and heads will roll. Probably not just Potters. In the end we will probably score in line with xG

5. Coaches don't micro manage players during games. Hmm I can remember Fabregas saying that he was surprised, as an international etc, that Conte kept telling him exactly where to play on the pitch. Conte is probably an extreme.  Personally I prefer a coach and there are plenty of them that just let the players play during a game. But those coaches still have to make a  lot of ingame calls re subs etc so I can see why they also want to coach the players.

 

Nowadays most of the top managers micro manage players in game though. You can’t just stay on the sidelines clapping like a cheer leader. Pep will pull players aside when a foul has been given, or a player injured. Same applies to Klopp.

Slightly worried that all the good coaches will be gone by the summer. If we're sticking with Potter for at least a year no matter what happens. Only to sack him on the premise we did give him adequate time for the sake of time (not because he's shown anything worth keeping him for just because that's our promise to him) that is a concern for me.

I'm still on the fence whether I believe he has to go, I've always maintained I think the job is too big for him and it wasn't the right appointment. I'm still waiting to see something that gives me hope I was wrong. A run of form that isn't attributed to managerial bounce. 

PSG are sniffing around Tuchel, who has also been rumoured to be personally interested in the Madrid or Barca jobs if they become avaliable. Spurs and Madrid have also reportedly been keeping tabs on Poch and may look to bring him in at the end of the season. 

Maybe these two names aren't potential replacements, but they do offer much more than what we have now. I don't think Flick (imo) personally would leave Germany NT for us, then again if he likes the project who knows. Enrique I'm not sure about, but again surely he has to offer more than what we currently have. 

The main point for me though is, when you look at the coaches we've had recently bar maybe Lamps, usually after they leave us they get another top appointment and sometimes they even upgrade (Jose to Inter and Real the first time and then to United after the second stint, Ancelotti went to Madrid, AVB still got the spurs job, Sarri went to Juve, Conte went to Inter and then Spurs). Ancelotti 

Realistically none of those teams hire Potter after he leaves from here, at least not on the basis of what he's shown so far. If he last another year perhaps his reputation for coaching a big club actually looks quite good who's to say. Prior to our appointment though I don't see any of the aforementioned teams picking up Graham Potter. No offence to him, he's just not good enough for their level, but apparently he's good enough for ours. 

Some may say Spurs but after the Nuno stint I think they recognise he was a downgrade on Mourinho and getting in Conte actually shows Spurs have some pull now and will go for elite options when available since Poch, Conte and Mourinho represent some really good names (obviously Poch isn't in the same class as the latter managers, but he did take them to their first UCL final and have them in two title races).

Edited February 17, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

Jose Mourinho: “When you start accepting defeats just because your team played well and just because your players gave their best, A performance to be proud of…I think when you get used to it, that’s when the big clubs stop being big clubs.” 
 

This is my worry with Potter. Our standards have dropped and we’ll accept mediocrity. Potter has to be more demanding. 

Accept mediocrity.

Blimey some people need to take a day off. 

 

Is 10th place not mediocre?

That Dortmund coach certainly seemed to know how to coach attacking plays. 

38% win rate and people have the audacity to say 'give him time'

 

for what? for relegating us next season?

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Accept mediocrity.

Blimey some people need to take a day off. 

 

😂😂 glad I don’t work for any of our fans posting here! They’d sack me 3 months in for not getting the team they’d given me 2.5 months in doing what they are supposed to be to an extremely high level 2 weeks later

Edited February 17, 20233 yr by Blueboys
Typo

14 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Accept mediocrity.

Blimey some people need to take a day off. 

 

Nobody said that.

9 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Is 10th place not mediocre?

But do you really think Boehly/Vivell will accept that in the long run? Honestly? With so much investment and our owners wanting a return, accepting mediocrity isn't going to cut it. 

Right now all that matters is improvement on the pitch. I've always been adamant in believing that now until the end of the season is an evaluation period for Potter. I don't agree with the reports that this season is a free pass when there is so much at stake next season. A great big magnifying glass is on Potter. 

Right now its about performances. Dortmund was an improvement. We continue to build on that and see improvements in areas where we have struggled, this will improve results. That's how football works. It's a slow process. 

4 minutes ago, CaitlinCFC said:

Nobody said that.

 

33 minutes ago, JM7 said:

This is my worry with Potter. Our standards have dropped and we’ll accept mediocrity. Potter has to be more demanding. 

 

@JM7 was saying we should not accept it.

2 hours ago, ozboy said:

What I've learned from reading the last few pages here is:

1.  It's on Potter not to only leave one slower player back at corners. I agree that  any modern coach should work on that.Specifically fast breaks from opposition corners are relatively common. Thats on the coach first up.

2. Potter is a bit naive at this level certainly compared to Tuchel and I think a number of other big coaches. I think that's true as well. This is the first time for him in the CL and first time coaching a bunch of would be stars. He likely will get better like the team. He seems like quite a fast learner.

3. the low win % is a red flag. I'm undecided on this. A 43% of whatever win percentage with Brighton is pretty good. But it's very poor at Chelsea. Ten Hag had a 73% win percentage at Ajax and he still has it with Man U or close to it.

4. We are stuck with Potter.  Not sure that is true. If we dont start scoring goals, like 2 a game and if we keep not winning the  pressure will grow and heads will roll. Probably not just Potters. In the end we will probably score in line with xG

5. Coaches don't micro manage players during games. Hmm I can remember Fabregas saying that he was surprised, as an international etc, that Conte kept telling him exactly where to play on the pitch. Conte is probably an extreme.  Personally I prefer a coach and there are plenty of them that just let the players play during a game. But those coaches still have to make a  lot of ingame calls re subs etc so I can see why they also want to coach the players.

 

On the top of my head, I think that I can remember at least one goal at the Bridge that occurred because our coach left Jorginho behind on a set piece and ManU scored on the counter, and it was under Tuchel. And I think that Arsenal also scored at some point at the Bridge on a counter after a corner or set piece, but I'm not so sure about it. In any case, we've been leaving a weak man to cover for a few seasons now, including with top coaches like Tuchel.

Other than that, I'm still on the fence with Potter, even though the last couple of games I think that we were the better team, created chances and should have won them.

Edited February 17, 20233 yr by RMH