2 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Indeed, but if the cost of buying Marc Cucurella for £60m is selling Lewis Hall for £30m then I repeat - "what the f**k"??

If you look at our signings in the Todd and tuchel window they are/were disasters.

10 minutes ago, JM7 said:

At some point, the academy will dry up. Players will cotton on and stop signing.

No they won't. Developing at Cobham is the closest to a guarantee of a top flight career as it's possible to get.

Maatsen is better than Hall imho.  IF Chillwell were injured tomorrow I would be happy to see Maatsen there.  We were happy to send Hall on loan to Palace. The only issue is that we are buying teenagers/kids for a lot more that 30 million quid.  Alas, we cannot keep all the young players that we develop through Cobham.

Edited August 16, 20232 yr by timetowaste

Seems like he wants to leave , good luck to him then

8 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Sounds like we want him to stay, gave him games last season and want him to go on and loan and come back.

He is a boyhood Newcastle fan, as are his family, and they want the move to Newcastle and not to stay here. 

Fair enough then, so long as we get a good price then good luck to him. 

Newcastle are loaded and have the wealthiest owners I world football so up that 35mill to 40mill and give us a 25%sell on clause.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Sounds like we want him to stay, gave him games last season and want him to go on and loan and come back.

He is a boyhood Newcastle fan, as are his family, and they want the move to Newcastle and not to stay here. 

Fair enough then, so long as we get a good price then good luck to him. 

Newcastle are loaded and have the wealthiest owners I world football so up that 35mill to 40mill and give us a 25%sell on clause.

Yes. This seems like it would be a dream move for him given his family's affinity for Newcastle. I'll be sad to see him leave given the potential he has shown, but good luck to him if it happens. Perhaps if we get a decent price, we will be able to keep hold of Gallagher and/or Chalobah.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Sounds like we want him to stay, gave him games last season and want him to go on and loan and come back.

He is a boyhood Newcastle fan, as are his family, and they want the move to Newcastle and not to stay here. 

Fair enough then, so long as we get a good price then good luck to him. 

Newcastle are loaded and have the wealthiest owners I world football so up that 35mill to 40mill and give us a 25%sell on clause.

Its more of Chelsea want him to go out but preferably on loan to Crystal Palace but because of CL football he would rather play for Newcastle. And Newcastle want a sale.

Needs to either have large sell on clause or buy back option. As long as it contains one of those I’m ok. 

Oh well, if he wants to leave and not go on loan then there's not much we can do I suppose.

£30m does seem a bit cheap for someone with 6 years left on their contract, if he did sign it.

Disappointed if that's the case, 30M is pretty much what we pay for a 'wonder kid' very few fans knew. His potential was all there to be seen in a difficult first season, and he wasn't even playing in his natural position. From his perspective, of course he'd be worried since we just signed a bunch of 21 year olds, and there are no clear paths for him to break into the team. If he's on a 6 year deal, I don't see why we have to sell now, could easily loan him to Newcastle for 2 years and see how he turns out to be.

9 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Disappointed if that's the case, 30M is pretty much what we pay for a 'wonder kid' very few fans knew. His potential was all there to be seen in a difficult first season, and he wasn't even playing in his natural position. From his perspective, of course he'd be worried since we just signed a bunch of 21 year olds, and there are no clear paths for him to break into the team. If he's on a 6 year deal, I don't see why we have to sell now, could easily loan him to Newcastle for 2 years and see how he turns out to be.

Let's be honest, if we paid that much for a player with 12 appearances at one of our rivals i can't imagine the reaction on places like here and reddit would have been particularly pleasant 😄 

Yeah I called it

We need a sell on clause and a buyback clause 

for Saudis we should raise the price to 50 million pounds. Give him a 5 year contract and you can pay in 5 instalments of 10 million 

Otherwise go f**k yourself 

it's absurd what they are doing in the Saudi league

the same people who fund that are the owners of Newcastle

 

Edited August 16, 20232 yr by azpi28

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yeah I called it

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I like Lewis Hall, but 30 million for a young lad that's really unproven is good business in my eyes. He might end up amazing, he might not, that's the risk you take. But 30 million is very overpriced for someone that's as unproven as he is, forget about the Cucueralla transfer, it doesn't work like that. 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Apparently Newcastle fans he’d start straight at LB and his whole family are Newcastle fans. 
 

Maybe Hall is pushing for it? 

 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Hopefully between Hall, CHO, Maatsen and (sadly) Trev we can raise 95-100mill

2 hours ago, Edjmendy said:

Its more of Chelsea want him to go out but preferably on loan to Crystal Palace but because of CL football he would rather play for Newcastle. And Newcastle want a sale.

I think the whole situation has been handled badly by the club. The plan was for him to go on loan to Palace dependent on him signing a long contract. He signs the contract, we then put a hold on it while we conclude the Caicedo signing. Ended up paying too much for Caicedo, and unnecessarily signed Lavia in the process who we also overpaid for, now we need to raise money to balance the books. Newcastle were initially interested in Cucurella earlier in the summer even before buying Livramento but we probably demanded the £62m fee we paid last summer, when it would have made sense to take a little hit and get his wages of the book. Now they have come back with either a loan offer for Cucurella with no obligation to buy or a straight sale for Hall or a loan with an obligation to buy. Someone up there is now seeing the small picture and would rather sell Hall now as it’s pure profit and balance the books.

We seem to be all over the place in the market and there doesn’t seem to be a coherent plan. Last summer we offered Chalobah a long contract with improved terms, spent a lot in the market and come Jan we were actively trying to get rid of him. This summer we have pulled the same with Hall, giving him a new contract and turning around a few days later and trying to sell him. It all makes no sense.

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

I think the whole situation has been handled badly by the club. The plan was for him to go on loan to Palace dependent on him signing a long contract. He signs the contract, we then put a hold on it while we conclude the Caicedo signing. Ended up paying too much for Caicedo, and unnecessarily signed Lavia in the process who we also overpaid for, now we need to raise money to balance the books. Newcastle were initially interested in Cucurella earlier in the summer even before buying Livramento but we probably demanded the £62m fee we paid last summer, when it would have made sense to take a little hit and get his wages of the book. Now they have come back with either a loan offer for Cucurella with no obligation to buy or a straight sale for Hall or a loan with an obligation to buy. Someone up there is now seeing the small picture and would rather sell Hall now as it’s pure profit and balance the books.

We seem to be all over the place in the market and there doesn’t seem to be a coherent plan. Last summer we offered Chalobah a long contract with improved terms, spent a lot in the market and come Jan we were actively trying to get rid of him. This summer we have pulled the same with Hall, giving him a new contract and turning around a few days later and trying to sell him. It all makes no sense.

If it is club driven, and club driven alone, fair enough.

However other reports say Lewis Hall and his family are pushing for this move.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

No they won't. Developing at Cobham is the closest to a guarantee of a top flight career as it's possible to get.

For real, that's a pitch they make to kids and their families. Our academy is aces.

I'd like to keep Hall but not because it's going to hurt our academy rep if we sell him and he becomes a good player and makes a ton of money.

Biggest problem for me in this whole thing is Cucurella. I don't overly worry about selling Hall but because we are selling him and not try to offload Cucurella. I realize it is very hard to sell him for very obvious reasons but if we just keep him and wish him to become good we have once again shot ourselves in the foot. 

Hall becomes a very good player and we still have to watch Cucurella play for us. 

It would be in line of all our decisions this window to offload Cucu and promote Hall or even Maatsen. 

If we are selling Hall for FFP reasons I very much understand it. Same probably happens with Gallagher. Gallagher I understand as we don't have clear and obvious spot for him in the team. 

Hall has said (apparently) he wants to play midfield. We have shut that window with Caicedo and Lavia so if he wants to leave I get that too.

In addition to his family being Newcastle fans I think he's also leaving because we are more likely to use him as a full back/wing back versus his preferred position in midfield, which is completely fair. However, I think 30million is too small, we should be looking for at least 40 million-plus first refusal option as others have mentioned.

22 minutes ago, evissy said:

Biggest problem for me in this whole thing is Cucurella. I don't overly worry about selling Hall but because we are selling him and not try to offload Cucurella. I realize it is very hard to sell him for very obvious reasons but if we just keep him and wish him to become good we have once again shot ourselves in the foot. 

Hall becomes a very good player and we still have to watch Cucurella play for us. 

It would be in line of all our decisions this window to offload Cucu and promote Hall or even Maatsen. 

If we are selling Hall for FFP reasons I very much understand it. Same probably happens with Gallagher. Gallagher I understand as we don't have clear and obvious spot for him in the team. 

Hall has said (apparently) he wants to play midfield. We have shut that window with Caicedo and Lavia so if he wants to leave I get that too.

I don't think selling Cucu makes a difference in Hall's decision if he wants to play midfield and not fullback. An up and coming 18 year old wouldn't want to play fifth choice to Enzo, Caicedo, Lavia and Gallagher. I think this is just one of those situations where it was out of our hands.

Edited August 17, 20232 yr by Frankie8Lampard

We have three backup left backs as it stands, and I'm not sure any of them are quite what we need !

Cucurella is a pretty limited player ; Maatsen is suspect defensively going on what the Burnley fans said about last season, and Hall looked dodgy as a left back in the development squad, let alone levels above that, and in any case wants to play midfield, and for Newcastle !