8 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

He also continues to demonstrate his habitual mistrust of "flair" players ... apart from Ibrahimovic.

Minutes played in PL : Martial 877, Mkhitaryan 885, Rashford 1075, Mata 1317 ... vs Ibrahimovic on 2250 minutes.

Not rocket science that they're not scoring many goals when he only has his best offensive players on the pitch for half the time they could be playing ...

Further compounded by the absolution from blame of the favoured Ibrahimovic, ignoring the fact that Zlatan needs 7 chances for every goal he scores, vs 4 chances per goal for Lukaku, Kane, and Costa at other clubs. And Zlatan had the cheek to call out Juan Mata on the quality of his finishing LOL

The majority of games I have seen at OT they seem to create and miss so many chances. I do agree on Ibra, I rate him but I do think Utd would be better off with another forward. I don't think Ibra's build up play is great and he generally just stands there which means you need runners from midfield.

Ibra never gets subbed either but I saw pictures of Lukaku's agent and Woodward coming out the same hotel and he won't sign for a sub role.

I also think Pogba is playing terrible. Attacking wise he can't seem to create or score and defensively he is asleep most of the time. I would actually go as far as saying he makes the team weaker but you can't drop him.

It's odd for him to moan about fixture congestion when the manager is not the one suffering it directly. I haven't heard any of the players whine about the fixture build up. If Spurs were still in the Europa it would probably be the same for them too. 

20 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I watched that game last night and Robbie Savage was giving Mourinho lessons in management.

They played 3 at the back but Rojo and Bailey would never push forward with the ball into the empty space. They literally had 3 players back against 1 forward and at some points they had more players back than forward. It was so frustrating to watch so god knows how the Utd fans feel.

Savage was spot on with his comments. Everyone could see it wasn't working. Then when Blind got injured Savage said go 4 at the back and put Rashford up top. Mourinho put Jones at LWB.

2 hours ago, Drogbaholic said:

I really want Mourinho to win the Europa league. I know he doesn't have much of a choice but it's admirable how serious he's taken it and it would be nice to see a Mourinho team in the champions league. They'd definitely go further than the ones who represented us this year. 

Not me mate. In this case Mpurinho being the manager is irrelevant, this is Man U we're talking about, and other than against Tottenham, there are very, very few occasions when I would want Man to win anything, and the same goes for Liverpool, Arsenal and West Ham.

Above and beyond that, we are currently the only English club to have won all three major European trophies. If Man U win this year's year's Europa League, they will join that select band, having won the Cup Winners Cup back in 90-91, and the European Cup (as was) on three separate occasions.

Ok if Man U were to win the Europa League, we would still be the first English club to have done the European treble, but surely "only" is better than "first"?

 

^^^^^

Yep. I thinks it's another case of ABU.

 

Anderlecht - Manure

3 hours ago, Drogbaholic said:

I really want Mourinho to win the Europa league. I know he doesn't have much of a choice but it's admirable how serious he's taken it and it would be nice to see a Mourinho team in the champions league. They'd definitely go further than the ones who represented us this year. 

I don't think it's admirable, it should be expected for a coach to take it seriously. The people that look down on this competition are foolish. The reward for winning it is too great to ignore. A place in the Champions League group stages and a game in the Supercup against the Champions League winners. Best of all, you get a European trophy to look back on.

No wonder why Spanish teams have dominated Europe in recent years, they take both competitions very seriously. Sevilla and Atletico Madrid benefited massively from winning this competition.

Mourinho should be happy UTD have a fixture pile up, it means they have been successful. 

Managers have been moaning for years about english clubs not being helped in europe. This is a fact and why it doesn't happen I never know.

I do get Mourinhos opinion on it but he knew what would happen before the season started.

I don't know why the FA can't just say any team in European action will get help in Europe competitions. Any team playing Tuesday plays on Friday for example. I like a Friday game. It's not hard to implement but I guess that's why the premier league get more tv money than any other league. We let the tv people decide when teams play and it's funny how two derby games both play on the same weekend for grand slam Sunday 

Sky Sports have a video on their Facebook page about Chelsea trolling United and at the end of the video it says "Should Chelsea be showing Mourinho more respect?"

Why is it when Mourinho was at Chelsea Sky Sports couldn't wait to jump down his throat over everything he said yet now that he's at United they're questioning Chelsea's attitude towards him?

11 hours ago, Drogbaholic said:

I really want Mourinho to win the Europa league. I know he doesn't have much of a choice but it's admirable how serious he's taken it and it would be nice to see a Mourinho team in the champions league. They'd definitely go further than the ones who represented us this year. 

I listened to Kerry Dixon who said the same thing, I have to admit, I've never understood why people back English/Premier League sides in Europe, the thought of cheering on Man United, or Spurs for instance, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Maybe if English teams had more English players, but it isn't like it used to be, United have had an easy run in to be honest, instead of drawing Lyon or Ajax, the two teams left who could beat United, they draw Anderlecht.

2 hours ago, adineen98 said:

Sky Sports have a video on their Facebook page about Chelsea trolling United and at the end of the video it says "Should Chelsea be showing Mourinho more respect?"

Why is it when Mourinho was at Chelsea Sky Sports couldn't wait to jump down his throat over everything he said yet now that he's at United they're questioning Chelsea's attitude towards him?

Jose Mourinho has more freedom at Man United, he can get away with a lot more, Man United are given more respect from the media than we are, purely because they're the biggest club in England. It's always seemed obvious to me that they get special treatment, no pun intended, unless of coarse you refuse to believe that their is any bias in the media, some people flat out deny it.

11 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

I listened to Kerry Dixon who said the same thing, I have to admit, I've never understood why people back English/Premier League sides in Europe, the thought of cheering on Man United, or Spurs for instance, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Maybe if English teams had more English players, but it isn't like it used to be, United have had an easy run in to be honest, instead of drawing Lyon or Ajax, the two teams left who could beat United, they draw Anderlecht.

I think it's good for our league and to keep attracting the best talents and keep it competitive. 

Its been going on for a while though but Mourinho seems so different now to when he was first introduced to the prem. The smile and wit has been replaced with a snarl and paranoid delusion.

Maybe its the sackings or the pressure of living up to the 'special one' alter ego he created. 

45 minutes ago, King_Luiz said:

Its been going on for a while though but Mourinho seems so different now to when he was first introduced to the prem. The smile and wit has been replaced with a snarl and paranoid delusion.

Maybe its the sackings or the pressure of living up to the 'special one' alter ego he created. 

Or Male Menopause...

1 minute ago, moi said:

Or Male Menopause...

Which is a lot bloody worse than anything I've experienced!  Seriously, I loved the guy as you all probably know but really he is doing my head in now!

Which is a lot bloody worse than anything I've experienced!  Seriously, I loved the guy as you all probably know but really he is doing my head in now!

 

Imagine if he wins the league in the coming years. Will be insufferable.

 

And United...A club I hate the most

 

And I still love and respect him for what he did....

 

12 hours ago, King_Luiz said:

Its been going on for a while though but Mourinho seems so different now to when he was first introduced to the prem. The smile and wit has been replaced with a snarl and paranoid delusion.

Maybe its the sackings or the pressure of living up to the 'special one' alter ego he created. 

He's looked miserable for a few years now. I don't know what went on at Real Madrid exactly, but something changed from his experience there. He's now bitter and twisted and no longer the infectious and charismatic man that we became accustomed to knowing in his first stint.

The fact that he left such an indelible mark on the club in his first stint is the reason why I can never hate him, despite the recent banter between him and the club and everything that went on in the latter stages of his second stint and the way he's began to have some kind of rapport with United, to the detriment of his affection of our club.

Deep down, I think we all wanted the old Mourinho to return after a turbulent period with Real Madrid, but it seems like his attitude since 2010 has become the norm rather than an aberration.

He still did much good for the club in his second stint as well which often becomes forgotten such as winning the title in 2015 and actually making us compete for titles again after a period of wilderness in 2011-2013, but understandably, memories of last season are still fresh in people's minds and the circumstances behind his departure were heartbreaking for everyone involved.

I regard Mourinho's best years as manager as being between 2003-2010, when he was ahead of the pack and had everything from tactics, charisma and fantastic man-management skills where players would literally run through a brick wall for him. It's a shame we couldn't keep him on for longer in 2007, but Porto, us and Inter Milan enjoyed the best years of what he offered in that time.

In some ways, Conte heavily reminds me of Jose from his first stint which is a huge benefit for the club's current standing.

He's looked miserable for a few years now. I don't know what went on at Real Madrid exactly, but something changed from his experience there. He's now bitter and twisted and no longer the infectious and charismatic man that we became accustomed to knowing in his first stint.
The fact that he left such an indelible mark on the club in his first stint is the reason why I can never hate him, despite the recent banter between him and the club and everything that went on in the latter stages of his second stint and the way he's began to have some kind of rapport with United, to the detriment of his affection of our club.
Deep down, I think we all wanted the old Mourinho to return after a turbulent period with Real Madrid, but it seems like his attitude since 2010 has become the norm rather than an aberration.
He still did much good for the club in his second stint as well which often becomes forgotten such as winning the title in 2015 and actually making us compete for titles again after a period of wilderness in 2011-2013, but understandably, memories of last season are still fresh in people's minds and the circumstances behind his departure were heartbreaking for everyone involved.
I regard Mourinho's best years as manager as being between 2003-2010, when he was ahead of the pack and had everything from tactics, charisma and fantastic man-management skills where players would literally run through a brick wall for him. It's a shame we couldn't keep him on for longer in 2007, but Porto, us and Inter Milan enjoyed the best years of what he offered in that time.
In some ways, Conte heavily reminds me of Jose from his first stint which is a huge benefit for the club's current standing.

Jose loves his 'us vs. them' mentality. At all the clubs before Madrid, he wasn't really expected to win. So he could instill that mentality in the team. At Madrid, the dynamics changed. He was expected to win or else he would be a failure. His biggest weapon was taken away. A team of Madrid's prima donnas is hard to manage for anyone in the world. Credit to him that he still broke Barca's dominance for a season.

Before Madrid, he won everything in sight. Then started tasting defeat and he doesn't really handle that well. Flies off the handle at everyone in sight which makes the atmosphere toxic.

Question for you...after watching United's style of play on Monday, does anyone disagree with Roman wanting more expansive football?

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Question for you...after watching United's style of play on Monday, does anyone disagree with Roman wanting more expansive football?

That's one game and not a season. 

There's no comparison on how a team sets up against the league leaders away from home and to the majority of the season. It's so funny how people just presume how you play away to Barca, Chelsea, Bayern etc means how you play every game lol

Mourinho set his team up the best way he thought he could to get a result. Whether you like it or not it was working until the sending off, im not getting into a debate if it was sending off. Chelsea wasn't doing much. Will he go and do the same next match? Of course not. What Mourinho did is better than Pep and Wenger who have no plan B and can't set teams up tactically. That's why Wenger hardly beats the big teams. 

It's the same with Stoke, everyone moans about it but we will knew Stoke would try and wind Costa up. Anyone in management would be stupid to no try it. It's ridicolous how bad the moaning of Chelsea fans is, maybe Costa shouldn't be so easy to wind up?

Expansive football is how City and Arsenal play but has alot of flaws. I have only seen Chelsea play like this once and thats when Carlo was here.

What I would give to see us win the title at Old Trafford.

i honestly believe that would finish jose 

9 hours ago, JM7 said:

Question for you...after watching United's style of play on Monday, does anyone disagree with Roman wanting more expansive football?

That he wants it or should? I its a bit overblown. Of course he wants entertaining football but he values winning more. Probably a little less now that he's got a CL trophy than before.  10 years ago he would have fired Jose in October the 2nd time around. 

 

I'm happy with the way we play as it is now. Of course the winning helps but when teams allow us to play without constant fouls and packing it in the players acquit themselves pretty well. Even with having essentially 5 at the back when we defend we still aren't as negative as we were at times under Jose. I honestly don't see us change much tactically from match to match as some teams do, away vs home for example.