just found an interesting stat about Morata today

hmmm I wonder why the media is talking about this?

6 minutes ago, robdog said:

just found an interesting stat about Morata today

hmmm I wonder why the media is talking about this?

I don't get what that tweet is about. Is it suppose to show that somehow Morata is better than Firmino?

35 minutes ago, Old Shaggy said:

I don't get what that tweet is about. Is it suppose to show that somehow Morata is better than Firmino?

in 9 EPL matches Morata has scored 3 goals - in 10 EPL matches Firmino has scored 2 goals

2 minutes ago, robdog said:

in 9 EPL matches Morata has scored 3 goals - in 10 EPL matches Firmino has scored 2 goals

So? Why the tweet? 

Just now, Old Shaggy said:

So? Why the tweet? 

again I just posted the tweet because of the fact that Morata has scored more than Firmino

3 minutes ago, robdog said:

again I just posted the tweet because of the fact that Morata has scored more than Firmino

Ok, I'll leave it there. 

The one reason Morata shouldn't be totally wrote off just yet is the fact he gets himself in the positions to have so many chances.

People like to compare him to Torres but how many genuine chances of a goal did Torres get on average in a 5 game period? Probably about 3 maybe 4 at most (in his roughest spells probably even less, i do remember periods he went games without a decent scoring chance) Morata regularly beats that number in 20/30 minute periods like he did on Sunday.

Getting in those positions is a skill in itself and while im not kidding myself that he will turn into a deadeye infront of goal, if he can up his conversion ratio even by a fraction he should end the season with a solid 15, maybe 20 goals across all comps.

1 hour ago, mojo said:

And January isn't to far away. We all know how he plays in the new year.

11 hours ago, Argo said:

The one reason Morata shouldn't be totally wrote off just yet is the fact he gets himself in the positions to have so many chances.

People like to compare him to Torres but how many genuine chances of a goal did Torres get on average in a 5 game period? Probably about 3 maybe 4 at most (in his roughest spells probably even less, i do remember periods he went games without a decent scoring chance) Morata regularly beats that number in 20/30 minute periods like he did on Sunday.

Getting in those positions is a skill in itself and while im not kidding myself that he will turn into a deadeye infront of goal, if he can up his conversion ratio even by a fraction he should end the season with a solid 15, maybe 20 goals across all comps.

Agree!

Tho we'd all love to have one, i don't think he needs to be a world elite striker to be worth a place. He is looking fitter and showing some allround improvement so all is not lost with him as many have been saying. With a bit of luck he could have had a hatrick on Saturday, but at least he scored a good goal, brought a blinding save from Hart and hit the target with other efforts. A bit more confidence and consistency and he'll be fine! Add another good striker next summer and that would be a big problem solved.

13 hours ago, Argo said:

The one reason Morata shouldn't be totally wrote off just yet is the fact he gets himself in the positions to have so many chances.

People like to compare him to Torres but how many genuine chances of a goal did Torres get on average in a 5 game period? Probably about 3 maybe 4 at most (in his roughest spells probably even less, i do remember periods he went games without a decent scoring chance) Morata regularly beats that number in 20/30 minute periods like he did on Sunday.

Getting in those positions is a skill in itself and while im not kidding myself that he will turn into a deadeye infront of goal, if he can up his conversion ratio even by a fraction he should end the season with a solid 15, maybe 20 goals across all comps.

The Torres thing is just so lazy and I've moaned about it a few times already. If Morata wasn't Spanish it would never even be mentioned. Torres was such a let down for us that, over time, people started to feel sorry for him. Morata hasn't been anywhere near bad enough for fans to switch from the initial impatience/frustration at a misfiring striker to outright sympathy. I think we've seen enough of Morata to say that he's probably not going to be the next Drogba, but neither is he going to be a flop on the scale of Torres. 

I'd be over the moon if we were able to sign a 'top' striker in January (just don't ask me who), but if we did then we should be looking to offload Giroud rather than Morata.

A number of strikers seem to be struggling just now or just coming to form.

Salah had a dry spell which changed in the last 10 days, Lukaku enough has been said yet he is also not scoring. Kane not even consistent.

If Morata can start scoring a few that would be neat and then the question in January would be, do we or don't we?

17 hours ago, Argo said:

The one reason Morata shouldn't be totally wrote off just yet is the fact he gets himself in the positions to have so many chances.

People like to compare him to Torres but how many genuine chances of a goal did Torres get on average in a 5 game period? Probably about 3 maybe 4 at most (in his roughest spells probably even less, i do remember periods he went games without a decent scoring chance) Morata regularly beats that number in 20/30 minute periods like he did on Sunday.

Getting in those positions is a skill in itself and while im not kidding myself that he will turn into a deadeye infront of goal, if he can up his conversion ratio even by a fraction he should end the season with a solid 15, maybe 20 goals across all comps.

A lot of the time, Torres wouldn't get a single shot on goal at all, even against poor opposition, that is how bad he was.

35 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

A lot of the time, Torres wouldn't get a single shot on goal at all, even against poor opposition, that is how bad he was.

And even with all his problems and missed chances, Morata is only 6 goals behind Torres's overall PL tally for Chelsea with 70 games to spare. As frustrating as Morata is, i would love to know what logic the "he's as bad/worse than Torres" brigade have mustered up to justify that claim.

Edited October 30, 20187 yr by Argo

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

And even with all his problems and missed chances, Morata is only 6 goals behind Torres's overall PL tally for Chelsea with 70 games to spare. As frustrating as Morata is, i would love to know what logic the "he's as bad/worse than Torres" have mustered up to justify the claim.

I think people have just forgotten how bad Torres was.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I think people have just forgotten how bad Torres ?was.

110 PL games. 20 goals. That's 1 goal every 5 and a half games.

 

Edited October 30, 20187 yr by Zeta

I think people have just forgotten how bad Torres was.

Maybe but he's forgiven because of that moment of magic at Barca.

14 goals in 40 games. That’s about a goal every 3 games, which isn’t that bad really. Hopefully he can make it 1 in 2 after this season.

46 minutes ago, EmeraldBlue said:

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I think people have just forgotten how bad Torres was.

Maybe but he's forgiven because of that moment of magic at Barca.

I missed the first couple of years of Torres, but when I saw him play towards the end of his time at Chelsea, I always got the feeling he was busting his ass. 

One of the problems with Morata, is the body language. When you don’t seem to be trying your best (flopping to the ground, sulking, etc..) people are MUCH quicker to turn on you.

I think because so many of us would love to have an opportunity like his, that we resent a lack of effort a lot more than a lack of quality or productivity. 

Edited October 30, 20187 yr by Skinnedy
Typo

Torres was bought as a boost in attack that already had great midfielders that could generate goals (ex.given Franky,Ramires) and an experienced Drogba, Kalou and younger Sturridge while at the same time the squad lost Anelka.

Morata was bought to replace a 20-goal per season Costa as the main striker even if he previously never had that role and the other striker was Michy that was never favored. When Giroud came he showed a lot more character on the pitch right away.

Edited October 30, 20187 yr by Gol15

21 hours ago, Argo said:

The one reason Morata shouldn't be totally wrote off just yet is the fact he gets himself in the positions to have so many chances.

People like to compare him to Torres but how many genuine chances of a goal did Torres get on average in a 5 game period? Probably about 3 maybe 4 at most (in his roughest spells probably even less, i do remember periods he went games without a decent scoring chance) Morata regularly beats that number in 20/30 minute periods like he did on Sunday.

Getting in those positions is a skill in itself and while im not kidding myself that he will turn into a deadeye infront of goal, if he can up his conversion ratio even by a fraction he should end the season with a solid 15, maybe 20 goals across all comps.

I've often made this argument, but when he's consistently losing his head when the going gets tough or even when we are in form it's just not good enough, for every decent performance he has put in 5 bad ones. I've been a huge defender of his but I won't start defending him until he gets back on goalscoring form, one game will not change my opinion on that. 

I'll be very surprised if he finishes this season on a strong one, he really lacks the willpower to do that. 

The interesting thing is that Sarri has preferred Morata to Giroud recently. Giroud is a good player and I desperately want him to get a goal so he can get that monkey off his back, but the thing that sets Morata apart is his movement. I was one of those who was okay with giving him another year to prove himself this summer. Yes we all know his faults but it's worth remembering Drogba had his faults in his first year and so did Costa. Costa largely disappeared in the second half of his first season with us, people forget that because we won the title but it was Hazard that drove us over the line, not Costa. Now I'm not saying Morata will prove himself better than Drogba or even Costa but I've always thought it's too early to write him off, and his performance against Burnley was deeply encouraging.

 

It was a really good centre-forward display and for me it showed a lot of maturity and showed that he's adjusting to the Prem, learning from his mistakes and learning from the manager, a manager who's clearly very able and has a history of developing and improving players. I think there's a decent chance Morata is going to surprise a few of you. Am I confident? No but I'm hopeful, as I always have been. There's a very good striker in there waiting to get out. His biggest battle is against himself.

 

Burnley is a tough place to go, they are a physical team, he had to take a few kicks, especially with his back to goal. He didn't react, as he would have done last season. He got on with it and played a pivotal role in our victory. He was wrongly booked but he didn't let it bug him, as he would have done last season. His movement was terrific, really excellent. This is the biggest asset in Morata's game. He's good in the air he has decent pace but his real asset is his movement. As others have said, chances will always come his way. I don't mind a striker that misses chances. I mind strikers who don't get chances. All strikers miss chances.

 

Morata clearly has a mental weakness. He's a confidence player. He needs things to be going his way. He doesn't like the physical aspect of the Prem. He feels sorry for himself when he gets kicked. Sarri needs to tackle that and I feel hopeful he can do that. Morata has scored 3 or 4 goals lately, getting himself out of a rut. Let's not underestimate the pressure he was under. Everybody was writing him off he hadn't scored a goal in ages he had lost his place to Giroud. It's not easy, especially when the onus is on you to score goals. He could have crumbled but he hasn't. He's bounced back. Sure, he's a long way off silencing his critics but it's encouraging.

 

Some players find it hard to adjust to the Prem. It's far more physical, far more fast, far more helter skelter. Maybe he just needed a period of adjustment. The second half of last season was poor and his mentality was weak and he deserved criticism but he's got the ability in my opinion. He just needs to toughen up, mentally and physically. If he can do that we have a player.

 

He needs to pick up a bit of confidence. If he can do that we have a player. He needs to start banging them in and feeling confident in front of goal again.

 

Striker is the hardest position to play. There's more pressure there's less space. Goals win games and it's your job to get them. You get kicked. A lot. You often have to play with your back to goal. You're often up against at least two towering centre-backs, centre-backs who think you're an easy target, centre-backs who think you're a bit soft, centre-backs who target you. You have to battle all that.

 

Strikers need a bit of ego, they need to fancy themselves a little bit, they need to have a little bit of arrogance, they need to believe in themselves, they need to exude confidence, they need to strut on the pitch like they own the place, they need to have a bit of swagger. They need to have a little bit of devil. This is where Morata falls down. It's all about confidence it's all about psychology. This is where the manager earns his money.

 

Against Burnley he got on with it, he scored a good goal, Hart made a couple of good saves from him. The one where he elected to try for the near post instead of the far post was the correct decision if you look at it closely enough. The oncoming defender had closed him down and he only had the near post to aim at. Barkley's goal, Morata drags the defender wide to open up space for Barkley. I thought he played really well. It's what we want from a striker. It's what we should expect. He has to start delivering those performances consistently. Can he? He has to deliver those performances in big games. Can he? The jury is out. Sarri has work to do. I'm very impressed with our manager. He's managed Morata expertly so far and helped him develop some confidence. Morata will improve under his tutelage, I feel pretty confident about that.

 

I'm not saying he'll be good enough. I find him as frustrating as anyone. There's clearly work to do. The problem is mental. That's where the manager earns his money.

 

If we can get Morata playing with a bit of swagger we'll have a chance. Our fortunes this season largely depend upon it. He's not the naturally swaggering type. We need to get him there and I'm hopeful we have just the manager to do it.

2 hours ago, EmeraldBlue said:

4 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I think people have just forgotten how bad Torres was.

Maybe but he's forgiven because of that moment of magic at Barca.

And why not! After all, it is one of the most important goals in the history of Chelsea. He also played his part in us winning the Europa League and becoming the first British club to win 3 different Euro trophies.

 We brought him when there were already signs he was I'm decline, but I do think he tried his best knowing he was a player in decline and simply unable to do what he once could. That open goal against Utd was a killer blow for him.

@Davey Baby In short he is a no 2 striker expected to do the job of a No 1. Return him to this role and take the burden of expectation away from him and he will do a job for us. His mentality is weaker than what is required. I'm not totally convinced he ever really wanted to leave the warmer climates and expect him to return at the first opportunity. Finding that No 1 though will be hard and costly especially as the rest of the front line are now ageing bar Eden. 

On 30/10/2018 at 17:58, Scott Harris said:

I think people have just forgotten how bad Torres was.

It's even worse when you see people on here say Torres gave more effort and always tried, I seriously doubt you ever watched Torres play under us. The only time Torres put in the effort was under Mourinho and that didn't last long, he scored quite a bit under Rafa but was still very lazy in the Premier League games. Torres in his first two years here were worse than Didier Drogba's sulky days on steroids.