And that's what the OP is saying really. Kante has made his name as a box to box midfielder in a 2-man midfield. There is no such position in Sarri's system. Some fools want him to replace Jorginho. And yet if they can open their eyes and count the number of over-weighted, under-w eighted and misplaced passes he makes, they can see for themselves exactly why Sarri won't consider him for that role. Teams ignore our right side of Kante and Azpi for a reason.

19 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Yet his heatmap v City looked more similar to Kyle Walker’s than that of a central midfielder. Same against Bournemouth.
It’s a disgrace how poorly he’s been used and we would look so much better in every way if he was central.

His proper position is being one of two players in a midfield pairing.

A few meters over to the central position is not going to be the miracle cure you think it will be. These thumpings we're getting are not down to one player playing slightly out of position. The whole team is out of position as soon as we lose the ball.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

A few meters over to the central position is not going to be the miracle cure you think it will be. These thumpings we're getting are not down to one player playing slightly out of position. The whole team is out of position as soon as we lose the ball.

I believe it would. Or does anyone believe Leicester would have won the league if Kante was playing as far wide as we are playing him? Absolutely no chance.
Put Kante and he's world class, use him where we are using him and he's just above average.

There was a point in the city game, first half, city had the ball 5yds from their goal line, we pushed up with Hazard, Higuain and Pedro closing down on the city back line. But Pedro was a bit behind the others in closing down his man, this left city an easy exit out of defence, and half of our team bypassed, it all looked so simple. 

You can see what Sarri wants, but the players are not doing it properly. I hope Sarri is given time because if he can master it we will see something special.

10 minutes ago, coco said:

You can see what Sarri wants, but the players are not doing it properly. I hope Sarri is given time because if he can master it we will see something special.

I wonder if he finds it easier to coach his methods into lower profile players, who are maybe more receptive to ideas and coaching than "established stars" ?

Just trying to think why our lot are finding it so much more difficult than Napoli's ... could also be the lack of pre-season maybe and it's harder to do it on the fly with games coming thick and fast ?

 

18 hours ago, Gentian said:

 

I have no clue what you on about but thank you for your reply. When you compare the previous teams to this one is like Men vs Boys

These boys have won the league. The toughest league in the world. 

1 hour ago, wallosh said:

It's ridiculous to even have the thought that Jorginho will start in that City team. I don't Pep really wanted. It's simply rumours because even Gundogan who is a much all-round better player than Jorginho can't even even spends more time on the bench than on the field at City.

Look, you can spew any rubbish you want to - free speech and all that, but if you do, don't quote me.

 

 

 

 

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

 

Uh-oh..

33 minutes ago, coco said:

You can see what Sarri wants, but the players are not doing it properly.

Then we doesn't he change something? If this group of players is unable to do what the manager ask of them surely he needs to adjust so he can get the best out of his players?
That's what every successfull manager have done afterall.
We were losing 4-0 inside 24 minutes, that's a goal every six minutes for the first quarter of a game. So if your style is to ambitious or too naive for this league then do something about your style for goodness sakes.

That's what Conte did when he realized this squad couldn't win with his ambitious 4-2-4 formation. He changed everything and we won the league. Sarri should do the same or his time will be up shortly.
 

32 minutes ago, coco said:

 

You can see what Sarri wants, but the players are not doing it properly. I hope Sarri is given time because if he can master it we will see something special.

This is pretty much where I am with it all at the moment.

I bought into the idea of the football that Sarri would bring when we appointed him, and I am not giving up just yet.

He isn't doing himself many favours though; team selections, subs and handling of the media all leave a bit to be desired for me.

But the players can't get a free pass. We've seen it with our last two Managers when they didn't fancy it, and I am not having it with a third Manager.

I am still not 100% that 'Sarriball' will bring us the success we have been accustomed too in recent years, but I do believe that if and when it does click it would have been worth waiting for. When that time comes we will see just how competitive we can be playing this way, but I would like to find out.

I for one, also really did like the idea of a long term project in terms of what we were trying to achieve, one that would perhaps be fitting for a former player and club legend to inherit in maybe 5 or so years time when he is ready to step up and take the reins...

The other options is keep sacking Managers every 1-2 years and chop and change our style each and every time. I am not convinced Frank would be so attracted to that, and I couldn't blame him.

 

12 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

 

Uh-oh..

If those players are willian and marcos alonso that's fantastic news.

13 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

 

Uh-oh..

Wonder who's considered heavyweights.

Obviously Hazard, who will likely leave anyway. Maybe Luiz (out of contract), Alonso (so what), Willian (sell him anyway), Kante (doesn't strike me as the type), Dave (wouldn't have thought so).

I don't think we have much in the way of 'heavyweight' players I'd like the club to bow to. I'd rather we put a stop to the player power bullsh*t we have at our club once and for all. I don't even know if Sarri is the right horse to back...but the players definitely aren't.

Edited February 12, 20197 yr by Cam

Exactly.

Chelsea "Heavyweights"!! What f**king heavyweights?!!

22 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

Uh-oh..

I'm not a fan of Sarri but if that's true, then that's an absolute disgrace!

36 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

 

Uh-oh..

AS = Alan Shearer?

14 minutes ago, Jezz said:

I'm not a fan of Sarri but if that's true, then that's an absolute disgrace!

I doubt you have anything to worry about.

5 minutes ago, bluedave said:

AS = Alan Shearer?

Spanish publication

https://as.com/futbol/2019/02/11/internacional/1549888002_177836.html

22 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

This is pretty much where I am with it all at the moment.

I bought into the idea of the football that Sarri would bring when we appointed him, and I am not giving up just yet.

He isn't doing himself many favours though; team selections, subs and handling of the media all leave a bit to be desired for me.

But the players can't get a free pass. We've seen it with our last two Managers when they didn't fancy it, and I am not having it with a third Manager.

I am still not 100% that 'Sarriball' will bring us the success we have been accustomed too in recent years, but I do believe that if and when it does click it would have been worth waiting for. When that time comes we will see just how competitive we can be playing this way, but I would like to find out.

I for one, also really did like the idea of a long term project in terms of what we were trying to achieve, one that would perhaps be fitting for a former player and club legend to inherit in maybe 5 or so years time when he is ready to step up and take the reins...

 The other options is keep sacking Managers every 1-2 years and chop and change our style each and every time. I am not convinced Frank would be so attracted to that, and I couldn't blame him.

  

It's actually quite an awkward predicament we find ourselves in at the minute.

Style wise i actually really, really like what Sarri is trying to do and clear vision is there that i could get behind no matter how bad the teething process is results wise but i'd be lying if i said a few things didn't worry me in recent weeks.

Firstly his man management seems a problem, i know we don't exactly have the most obedient bunch ever but they have always reacted well to change and have wanted to play a more attacking style for quite some time by all accounts and he's struggling to get them up for any game that a trophy isn't potentially on the cards (league cup and the league games upto Everton).

The capitulations in big away games (and Bournemouth) have been truly tragic, our results so far against the big 6 away read 1-3, 0-2 and 0-6 and the first two could quite well have been as bad as Sunday and but for Kepa probably would have, that's Arsenal esque to put it mildly. We tamely rolled over on every occasion and right now i can't see anything but a similar song at Anfield and Old Trafford (thankgod the cup match is at home).

His general use of the squad, upto December i was trying to convince myself his lack of league rotation was due to use being in the Europa which was allowing us to rotate from team A at the weekend to Team B in midweek seamlessly, but then the hectic Christmas period came and he rolled out most of the same team which most likely caused the spate of injuries we got in that period. Also there's the niggling worry at the back of my mind we will lose most of the youth players, i'm not usually one that gets too worked up about this topic (i use to argue till i was blue in the face that the likes of Baker, Bamford, Kakuta, Stoch etc al were nowhere near the quality to play for us and i was right) but we have the best bunch of youngsters on our books in this country since the class of 92 if not the Busby Babes and wasting them would be criminal negligence, utilizing the best of that bunch should be in the job description for any manager we appoint.

It is turning into a catch 22 but we will have to hope the hierarchy get the call right, for all their faults they seem to know when it's right to sack.

One part of your post i do disagree with is Frank, i think he will jump at the chance if it's offered. I think he will look at how club legend's stabilized Madrid and United and will be confident he could do the same here whether that's misguided or not. 

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

 

Uh-oh..

If those 'characters' are the type who down tools and can't be arsed to play for the shirt then good riddance. Get rid.

Sky Sports News has been told several players have issues with the Italian's tactical approach, the majority still have faith in him and his methods. The relationship between the squad and Sarri is nowhere near as bad as it became under Antonio Conte last season. #CFC

3 hours ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.

Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)

 

Uh-oh..

AS is like The Sun in this country. I wouldn't believe that. The Belgian reporter who is a pretty reliable journo  reports that Hazard is happy with Sarri, as is Luiz.

The journalists are just putting out sensationalist headlines to sell papers and garner Twitter clicks. It is always easy to put out lazy journalism when it comes to us. Gives them the most attention. 

9 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Sky Sports News has been told several players have issues with the Italian's tactical approach, the majority still have faith in him and his methods. The relationship between the squad and Sarri is nowhere near as bad as it became under Antonio Conte last season. #CFC

They have obviously received their "sources" from that AS report.

Chelsea ‘heavyweights’ in the dressing room do not want Sarri.
Some players have already informed their agents they want transfers in the summer, if Sarri still in charge of the club next season. (AS)
 
Uh-oh..

Perfect scenario for us then. Rebuild with Jorginho, Higuain, Kante , Azpi, Rudiger, Kepa and the youngsters.

This is pretty much where I am with it all at the moment.
I bought into the idea of the football that Sarri would bring when we appointed him, and I am not giving up just yet.
He isn't doing himself many favours though; team selections, subs and handling of the media all leave a bit to be desired for me.
But the players can't get a free pass. We've seen it with our last two Managers when they didn't fancy it, and I am not having it with a third Manager.
I am still not 100% that 'Sarriball' will bring us the success we have been accustomed too in recent years, but I do believe that if and when it does click it would have been worth waiting for. When that time comes we will see just how competitive we can be playing this way, but I would like to find out.
I for one, also really did like the idea of a long term project in terms of what we were trying to achieve, one that would perhaps be fitting for a former player and club legend to inherit in maybe 5 or so years time when he is ready to step up and take the reins...
The other options is keep sacking Managers every 1-2 years and chop and change our style each and every time. I am not convinced Frank would be so attracted to that, and I couldn't blame him.
 

Agreed but Sarri-ball is not the end-game, it's the start. We want to see a similar philosophy. The club, for all intents and purposes, want to see it as well. I'm sure that factored into the decision to sack Conte. I absolutely want to see Sarri carry-out his vision and at the same time I believe he isn't the perfect fit for us. But we have to start the build somewhere.

13 hours ago, Amputechture said:

@just

Just curious as to whether you felt the same about Jorginho early on this season before we faced Spurs? The entire team have had a huge dip in form ever since and Jorginho was getting nothing but praise on here prior to that defeat if memory serves.

I can distinctly remember during the Spurs game thinking (think I even posted on it) "man, if Delli can take Jorginho out of the game with this half arsed pressing of him then we are in for major problems if everything is supposed to go through him".

I mean no offence, but do you complain about your car engine when it's running smoothly on the flat highways with no issues, just cruising, or do you wait until you see that anytime you go up hill the engine starts failing?  Clearly you complain when the problem manifests itself. 

Nobody was trying to mark Jorginho out of the game until that Spurs match, so how could anyone know just how easily it would be to mark Jorginho out of the game?