May 22, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said: Roman leaving broke my heart, Tuchel leaving broke my heart. Pochettino for all his faults felt like light at the end of the tunnel and even that's gone. Seriously how bad of an infrastructure must we have for a man who put up with Levy for 5 years to be done with us after 1..... Poch apparently isn’t even that demanding in terms of transfers. He’s happy to work with what he’s got, within reason. Our squad profile is quite extreme and clearly he wasn’t having it.
May 22, 20242 yr 10 minutes ago, JM7 said: Poch apparently isn’t even that demanding in terms of transfers. He’s happy to work with what he’s got, within reason. Our squad profile is quite extreme and clearly he wasn’t having it. It feels like a stand was taken over Gallagher and Chalobah, and good on him for that.
May 22, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said: I just don't understand why they brought an elite football club why not buy a mid table one where the fans aren't used to certain standards and then they can try their wacky methods. I don't think they understand this is some of our lives. Groups like Clearlake aren’t interested in mid table clubs which is ironic because that’s exactly what they’re doing to us. At the time, Chelsea were the biggest club in the world that were up for sale which is why they bought us. They absolutely do not care about the fans or the identity of the club. Good owners get the fact that the fans own the club and they are just custodians of it. Clearlake aren’t those owners.
May 23, 20242 yr 7 hours ago, 19seventyone said: Groups like Clearlake aren’t interested in mid table clubs which is ironic because that’s exactly what they’re doing to us. At the time, Chelsea were the biggest club in the world that were up for sale which is why they bought us. They absolutely do not care about the fans or the identity of the club. Good owners get the fact that the fans own the club and they are just custodians of it. Clearlake aren’t those owners. Clearlake have one vision. Brand development because that is where profit, real profit comes from. The talk of a winning mentality is their current mantra and chimes with the fanbase. But this is because it is a natural corollary to brand development and return on investment. More success, more interest, more sales etc. Yes the players are important, yes the manager delivering with the players chosen, yes the ground size, etc. But these are all minor planks I the overall strategy. A merchandising and media behemoth in a glitzy, safe (not relegation threatened) commercially expansive league, with independent media bargaining rites for a club based in the glamorous part of Londons fabled Chelsea District, offers a global brand and a potential return on investment fourfold. Yes winning is all important but by whose model are we defining winning. For us we view winning through a sporting lens, coming first, picking up trophies. In the commercial world you don't need to be first to be winning, you just need the bucks to keep rolling in, oh and to always present a media friendly presence. Le5s not forget they come from a culture whereby a washed up, drugs strung out, old rocker, his hanger on wife and his two entitled self absorbed kids reinvented themselves as media darling whilst the entire country sat absorbed watching them living at home cleaning up dog sh*t off the kitchen floor. If this lot can make us media friendly around the world they'll make big bucks, fck the actual product.
May 23, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, WhiteWall said: Clearlake have one vision. Brand development because that is where profit, real profit comes from. The talk of a winning mentality is their current mantra and chimes with the fanbase. But this is because it is a natural corollary to brand development and return on investment. More success, more interest, more sales etc. Yes the players are important, yes the manager delivering with the players chosen, yes the ground size, etc. But these are all minor planks I the overall strategy. A merchandising and media behemoth in a glitzy, safe (not relegation threatened) commercially expansive league, with independent media bargaining rites for a club based in the glamorous part of Londons fabled Chelsea District, offers a global brand and a potential return on investment fourfold. Yes winning is all important but by whose model are we defining winning. For us we view winning through a sporting lens, coming first, picking up trophies. In the commercial world you don't need to be first to be winning, you just need the bucks to keep rolling in, oh and to always present a media friendly presence. Le5s not forget they come from a culture whereby a washed up, drugs strung out, old rocker, his hanger on wife and his two entitled self absorbed kids reinvented themselves as media darling whilst the entire country sat absorbed watching them living at home cleaning up dog sh*t off the kitchen floor. If this lot can make us media friendly around the world they'll make big bucks, fck the actual product. Ozzy Osborne in the dugout?
May 23, 20242 yr 41 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said: Ozzy Osborne in the dugout? Plus Sharon leading training, Jack providing diet tips, and Kelly designing our new kit ... and the dog to take a dump on Eghbali's car LOL
May 23, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, WhiteWall said: Clearlake have one vision. Brand development because that is where profit, real profit comes from. The talk of a winning mentality is their current mantra and chimes with the fanbase. But this is because it is a natural corollary to brand development and return on investment. More success, more interest, more sales etc. Yes the players are important, yes the manager delivering with the players chosen, yes the ground size, etc. But these are all minor planks I the overall strategy. A merchandising and media behemoth in a glitzy, safe (not relegation threatened) commercially expansive league, with independent media bargaining rites for a club based in the glamorous part of Londons fabled Chelsea District, offers a global brand and a potential return on investment fourfold. Yes winning is all important but by whose model are we defining winning. For us we view winning through a sporting lens, coming first, picking up trophies. In the commercial world you don't need to be first to be winning, you just need the bucks to keep rolling in, oh and to always present a media friendly presence. Le5s not forget they come from a culture whereby a washed up, drugs strung out, old rocker, his hanger on wife and his two entitled self absorbed kids reinvented themselves as media darling whilst the entire country sat absorbed watching them living at home cleaning up dog sh*t off the kitchen floor. If this lot can make us media friendly around the world they'll make big bucks, fck the actual product. Pretty much that, winning trophy is not their priority, a side gig if it happens. To be fair, Boehly may not even be the real bad guy here, he may want some sporting success based on his experience running baseball team, while the majority owners care about money only. If they turn us into a Brighton on steroid, while we are able to generate 200M of players sales every season, they'd be laughing all the way to the bank. Dividends paid, some more pump into the youth recruitment to keep the pipeline flowing, winning on the field is just a distraction.
May 23, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said: Pretty much that, winning trophy is not their priority, a side gig if it happens. To be fair, Boehly may not even be the real bad guy here, he may want some sporting success based on his experience running baseball team, while the majority owners care about money only. If they turn us into a Brighton on steroid, while we are able to generate 200M of players sales every season, they'd be laughing all the way to the bank. Dividends paid, some more pump into the youth recruitment to keep the pipeline flowing, winning on the field is just a distraction. I would say that they do WANT to win trophies. They want all the fiances to be prefect and to make lots of money, but they are also ego manics that want to win trophies. All the top teams in England are owned by yanks and blokes from the Middle East. This great league [of ours?] is owned by capitalists. They want all the money, but they also want the glory. As fans we are 'personally invested' in the club, but in capitalist terms that is just bloody ridiculous and we are fools.
May 23, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, Sexyfootball said: Plus Sharon leading training, Jack providing diet tips, and Kelly designing our new kit ... and the dog to take a dump on Eghbali's car LOL Potter used to bite his fingernails during tense moments. Ozzy during penalty shootout, biting off bats heads
May 23, 20242 yr 19 hours ago, JM7 said: Poch apparently isn’t even that demanding in terms of transfers. He’s happy to work with what he’s got, within reason. Our squad profile is quite extreme and clearly he wasn’t having it. Pochettino worked with Daniel Levy for 5 years. The fact that he couldn't handle working with us for barely a year says a lot.
May 23, 20242 yr On 22/05/2024 at 17:55, LongtimerLurker said: Sell Gallagher because he starts ahead of one of their £100m signings and they can't take that. Sell Chalobah because he starts ahead of their expensively assembled defence. Dash Pochettino because he's the only one involved with elite football pedigree. Who thought 10 years of being locked in was a good idea? We had every manager under the sun who was available interested last season, you choose Pochettino for whatever reason and only gave him a 2 year contract. Then he leaves anyway.... I just don't understand why they brought an elite football club why not buy a mid table one where the fans aren't used to certain standards and then they can try their wacky methods. I don't think they understand this is some of our lives. I generally compare the situation to having a child. Imagine you have a daughter and then she gets pregnant by some utter waste of space loser and then even worse she marries the loser. Now you're stuck with him for however long until he eff's off. Its sad because you love your daughter and grandchild but you can't stand this person who's joined your family. That's how I feel about this ownership and its how I would compare being a fan of this club 😂 Roman leaving broke my heart, Tuchel leaving broke my heart. Pochettino for all his faults felt like light at the end of the tunnel and even that's gone. Seriously how bad of an infrastructure must we have for a man who put up with Levy for 5 years to be done with us after 1..... We were attractive to them because we were probably the only top club in Europe that had zero debt , Roman was forced to write it off . Imagine , a debt free Premier League, regular top four , trophy winning football club ! Now desperately trying to avoid spending rules while plunging out of the top 4..
May 25, 20242 yr I feel Data is the big thing in football now and it seems to be creeping into management stronger than ever. Data's been used for years but the people using data are younger and more in tune with computers. They trust more of big data and what computers can produce. Millennials are the first true age-group that grew up with computers. Gen X tend to trust older methods more. Roberto De Zerbi for example is born in 1979. Not quite millennial but very close. McKenna is. Big clubs are looking younger coaches that are more in tune with data and usage of it. They can have bigger coaching teams that use data to make decisions rather than feeling their way with decisions. This is why I think our sporting directors want to use all the information and data available to make the team better. Hiring specialist coaches and dividing the game in to smaller pieces that use data to back up decisions. This is where I think they and Pochettino differ in terms of philosophy. Data shows something and Pochettino's experience shows something else. New young coaches are quickly entering the games biggest stage this way.
May 25, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, evissy said: I feel Data is the big thing in football now and it seems to be creeping into management stronger than ever. Data's been used for years but the people using data are younger and more in tune with computers. They trust more of big data and what computers can produce. Millennials are the first true age-group that grew up with computers. Gen X tend to trust older methods more. Roberto De Zerbi for example is born in 1979. Not quite millennial but very close. McKenna is. Big clubs are looking younger coaches that are more in tune with data and usage of it. They can have bigger coaching teams that use data to make decisions rather than feeling their way with decisions. This is why I think our sporting directors want to use all the information and data available to make the team better. Hiring specialist coaches and dividing the game in to smaller pieces that use data to back up decisions. This is where I think they and Pochettino differ in terms of philosophy. Data shows something and Pochettino's experience shows something else. New young coaches are quickly entering the games biggest stage this way. How many have they sacked in record time while having all this data? It's a sign of not actually knowing who to hire, Roman could get a big name but expected him to deliver and regardless of the name if the results weren't happening he was going for another big name, and that actually worked. What these owners are doing isn't working and if they are so idealistic about the potential right person, they'll never find him.
May 25, 20242 yr 8 minutes ago, Gol15 said: How many have they sacked in record time while having all this data? It's a sign of not actually knowing who to hire, Roman could get a big name but expected him to deliver and regardless of the name if the results weren't happening he was going for another big name, and that actually worked. What these owners are doing isn't working and if they are so idealistic about the potential right person, they'll never find him. I think they are just trying to find an edge. It seems it is otherwise pretty hard to dethrone Pep and City otherwise. They are using models created by more creative clubs. With Roman we very everything but creative. Now we are in a situation where we need to be creative to find ways to compete. With a ton of wealth you don't need to be that creative. You just throw money at the problems. We don't have that edge anymore. I have no idea whether this experiment works or not. But I still believe the owners want to win on pitch to win in the bank. That is the big picture you can look at and get some comfort of. My hope is we have that gilted edge motivation to dethrone Pep and City and not just compete top 4 and create more revenue. There are tons of examples in American sports where the team makes masses of money but never actually win the big trophies. I feel this managerial merry-go-round end when our sporting directors either find a man to boss or they get sacked.
May 25, 20242 yr 18 minutes ago, evissy said: I think they are just trying to find an edge. It seems it is otherwise pretty hard to dethrone Pep and City otherwise. They are using models created by more creative clubs. With Roman we very everything but creative. Now we are in a situation where we need to be creative to find ways to compete. With a ton of wealth you don't need to be that creative. You just throw money at the problems. We don't have that edge anymore. I have no idea whether this experiment works or not. But I still believe the owners want to win on pitch to win in the bank. That is the big picture you can look at and get some comfort of. My hope is we have that gilted edge motivation to dethrone Pep and City and not just compete top 4 and create more revenue. There are tons of examples in American sports where the team makes masses of money but never actually win the big trophies. I feel this managerial merry-go-round end when our sporting directors either find a man to boss or they get sacked. I don't think so. The path of building a good team to compete for title is clear. Build a 70 point team, fix it's weakness turn it into a 80 point, do it one more time and you are already title contender.
May 26, 20242 yr A little more info on Europe and if we can actually afford it. Makes sense why Conor and Trev are up for sale. https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/26/will-chelsea-snub-europa-conference-league-can-face-20912278/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3wrNA-OY9X0ly-1Kc5t26tIwhsLsBp1GJl2j6lGkLoWINr4fsPF-BLLWY_aem_AbwIFPSe0oCKN7SrHZNOJqwx7LAAKT-_DpmBdd_GYKEMIM-5vCkhKKUWuJ28c5rjDqZ4d-uoMlf3YeZn__xtalie
May 28, 20242 yr On 26/05/2024 at 14:52, JM7 said: A little more info on Europe and if we can actually afford it. Makes sense why Conor and Trev are up for sale. https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/26/will-chelsea-snub-europa-conference-league-can-face-20912278/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3wrNA-OY9X0ly-1Kc5t26tIwhsLsBp1GJl2j6lGkLoWINr4fsPF-BLLWY_aem_AbwIFPSe0oCKN7SrHZNOJqwx7LAAKT-_DpmBdd_GYKEMIM-5vCkhKKUWuJ28c5rjDqZ4d-uoMlf3YeZn__xtalie If we end up having to decline the European spot for financial reasons, the owners are going to have some explaining to do. The finances are hardly likely to look much better in the future with so many long term deals on all these youth players with potential, and they seem to be continuing with this plan.
May 28, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, forbzy said: If we end up having to decline the European spot for financial reasons, the owners are going to have some explaining to do. The finances are hardly likely to look much better in the future with so many long term deals on all these youth players with potential, and they seem to be continuing with this plan. Rather admit they made a mistake in not signing any experienced, proven players, they are doubling down and continuing on the same route. That is either plain stupidity or more likely bruised egos. Maybe 3 key players of pedigree could make the world of a difference
May 28, 20242 yr Looks like IA may stay on as front of shirt sponsor for preseason, and possibly for next season as well: https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2024/5/28/24166530/infinite-athlete-to-stay-on-through-preseason-as-chelsea-face-another-shirt-sponsorship-scramble Wonderful job our business people are doing. Didn't Egbahli state we were not well run as a business under Roman?
May 29, 20242 yr Don't know where else to put this. New seeding format in the League Cup... Quote The Carabao Cup has been forced to adopt a new “seeding mechanism” to ease the fixture pile-up caused by the extended Champions League format. Rankings will ensure Champions League qualifiers do not draw Europa League teams, with third-round EFL Cup fixtures now spread over two weeks to further ease congestion. The league has left its options open for the fifth round when it becomes clear whether there could be any further clashes with European competition. The Europa Conference League (European football’s third tier) will affect any round three for the domestic competition as its group stages start at a later date. Unprecedented fixture chaos next season had previously prompted clubs to warn they might be be forced to field their kids in the Carabao Cup. The expansion of European club competitions and the Club World Cup that triggered the axing of cup replays resulted in a clash with match-weeks earmarked for the third round of the EFL Cup. This comes against the backdrop of an ongoing row over the scrapping of FA Cup replays. The failure of Premier League clubs to deliver on their long-awaited new £900 million football support system, meanwhile, saw the EFL refuse to scrap two-legged semi-finals in its own premier cup competition, placing further pressure on the calendar. A glimpse of what may be to come next season was provided five years ago when Liverpool played in the Club World Cup. Their semi-final with Monterrey clashed with their EFL Cup quarter-final at Aston Villa, forcing them to field their youngest-ever starting line-up in the latter game, which was managed by under-23 boss Neil Critchley. Criteria for the new seeding system has yet to be clarified but Pep Guardiola was among managers to warn last month over the pressures of the calendar, particularly in the week commencing September 16 and 23. “Next season, when we play in the Champions League, hopefully we will qualify, it is the same week as the Carabao Cup,” he said. “How are we going to play? Will we play EDS [development squad] in the Carabao Cup? “After next season, we go to the Club World Cup. We are incredibly happy, a lot of money, incredibly prestigious. But how many days do I give off to the players? It’s unsustainable.”
May 29, 20242 yr On 25/05/2024 at 08:15, evissy said: I think they are just trying to find an edge. It seems it is otherwise pretty hard to dethrone Pep and City otherwise. They are using models created by more creative clubs. With Roman we very everything but creative. Now we are in a situation where we need to be creative to find ways to compete. With a ton of wealth you don't need to be that creative. You just throw money at the problems. We don't have that edge anymore. I have no idea whether this experiment works or not. But I still believe the owners want to win on pitch to win in the bank. That is the big picture you can look at and get some comfort of. My hope is we have that gilted edge motivation to dethrone Pep and City and not just compete top 4 and create more revenue. There are tons of examples in American sports where the team makes masses of money but never actually win the big trophies. I feel this managerial merry-go-round end when our sporting directors either find a man to boss or they get sacked. But having a winning team doesn't mean you make profits. We proved that over 20 years of unparalleled success, losing money nearly every season and with a £1,5 billion debt. City lost money last year despite record income. Brighton made a profit and won f**k all !
May 30, 20242 yr It’s utter madness that we’ve spent £40-£50m last season on 2 new goalkeepers, both of whom are on long term contracts, only to hire a new manager who says he needs a different type of keeper. Finanical mismanagement at its highest level
May 30, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, JM7 said: It’s utter madness that we’ve spent £40-£50m last season on 2 new goalkeepers, both of whom are on long term contracts, only to hire a new manager who says he needs a different type of keeper. Finanical mismanagement at its highest level When you add in Kepa, the other keepers on loan and the development squad, we actually have a pool of 13 goal keepers LOL.
May 30, 20242 yr Yes, the GK situation is completely out of control. If the new manage wants a GK, spend big and sign him a proper number 1 GK, not another number 2 with lots to work on. Maybe I'm old fashioned on this matter, GK should be picked on shot stopping, the passing is just a nice to have attribute.
May 31, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said: Yes, the GK situation is completely out of control. If the new manage wants a GK, spend big and sign him a proper number 1 GK, not another number 2 with lots to work on. Maybe I'm old fashioned on this matter, GK should be picked on shot stopping, the passing is just a nice to have attribute. Maybe we could get Cesc Fabregas out of retirement, sounds like the keeper he needs.
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