16 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

I get that, and I know supporters of every team always over-rate their own prospects.  And no player that we've let go has set the football word on fire.  But...….Roman spent a ton of money upgrading the Academy.  We have the largest number of players out on loan, conceivably to develop, than anyone.  Our youth teams regularly win trophies, and our Academy players have been instrumental in England Youth Team successes.  We are not competing on the open market for the best players, and with no CL games and managerial instability, we are not a preferred destination for players so our next stars have to come from somewhere.  Youth players that have come through the ranks are more likely to have an emotional attachment and passion for the club, which is something we sorely lack in the first team right now.  

The last couple of seasons in the EPL both Mo Salah and Kevin De Bruyne did set the football world alight. Both let go during the Mourinho period.

11 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

The last couple of seasons in the EPL both Mo Salah and Kevin De Bruyne did set the football world alight. Both let go during the Mourinho period.

Sorry.  Meant to qualify that statement as Academy kids we let go.  I agree that Salah and KdB both have done well.  Lukaku to some extent as well.  

2 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Wow.

Outperformed City with an inferior squad with his job supposedly on the line. 

It's nice that you can guarantee it but that means nothing. Of course the target is the CL. But he was brought here not because he's a proven winner, but to change the style of football. Which objective is more important to the club right now? Maybe you can guarantee some information regarding that.

No. Because he said this:  https://www.balls.ie/football/pep-guardiola-chelsea-job-406293  The board have a short term mentality. And that has now filtered down to the fan-base. 

I have watched almost every min of football that this club has played for more than a decade. I consider myself a student of the game with greater interest towards the tactical side of things. Scoring goals is a product of both the team style and player quality. We do not have goals in the team, therefore we cannot be expected to consistently score goals. Is that too difficult a concept to grasp? If we can't consistently score goals then I cannot use goals as a benchmark for how well this team has played in match (or a half). The first 45 against Everton was perfect. The movement of the players off the ball, the quality of possession, the hunger to win the ball back. It gave me everything I wanted to see besides a goal. And like I've said, my expectations are tempered in that regard.

 

We beat City once this season. It was when, according to Sarri himself, the players before the match approached him and asked him to play deeper. That;'s the only reason it worked. After that Sarri decided to go back to his usual plan A and got his ass handed to him at Etihad with six goals embarrassment. 

No, he was brought here to change the style of football while keeping the team competitive. And yes, I don't have to possess some inside knowledge to know which objective is more important to the club right now, it's common sense.

I get it. You care about beauiful style more than results, although I don't see much beauty in struggling to score on one end, falling apart at the other and passing everyone to sleep in between. But I guess, to each his own.

1 hour ago, Ewell CFC said:

 

 

How many players developed by our academy over the past two decades, have slipped through the net and gone on to become world beaters playing for other clubs?

This intergrate the youth bleating, and not necessarily by yourself has become a big fat cliche. Even allowing for short term mentality employed by managers desperate to cling onto their jobs, numerous coaches of ours, who see the youth play on a daily basis, must have all reached the same conclusion; they are not good enough to replace/ challenge the largely international talent established in their positions.

There is an ocean of difference between a home grown youth player with potential and one of the best players in the world in your position, which would be the case at Chelsea over the last 15 odd years.

Add to this our extremely fickle fan base- can anyone think of a club with more fickle fans because I can’t, I’m not sure I’d they’d be given patience to develop by the punters in the stands.

 

A lot of that is true - can't argue with it. I hold my hand up and admit I was wrong when I thought players like McEachran and Bruma were going to be future Chelsea stars.

BUT, the academy is improving all the time, and one batch of youngsters gets replaced by another and another and I honestly do think, that there are a few now who ARE good enough, if handled right. Not All will make it, but I do expect more than one to out of the ones named earlier.

Even if there wasn't a transfer ban, I honestly don't think that Roman is going to spunk ££££ millions on players so NOW would be an ideal time to start seeing the academy pay dividends.

3 hours ago, drjonesy1994 said:

No don't think so. someone else posted the clip of the 5-0 win over Everton in response to him saying we never played as good under Conte as we did in the first half on Sunday.  

I know but he could have meant just last season but forgot to put it on, which is a mistake i can see myself making as i practically see Conte as two different managers from his first season compared to second, i think he deserves the benefit of the doubt unless he confirmes he meant otherwise.

I wouldn't go as far as saying the first half yesterday trumps any game last season as our performances against Atletico and United both times were pretty good, but i would certainly imagine it would be better than most of the others.

4 hours ago, Ewell CFC said:

 

 

How many players developed by our academy over the past two decades, have slipped through the net and gone on to become world beaters playing for other clubs?

This intergrate the youth bleating, and not necessarily by yourself has become a big fat cliche. Even allowing for short term mentality employed by managers desperate to cling onto their jobs, numerous coaches of ours, who see the youth play on a daily basis, must have all reached the same conclusion; they are not good enough to replace/ challenge the largely international talent established in their positions.

There is an ocean of difference between a home grown youth player with potential and one of the best players in the world in your position, which would be the case at Chelsea over the last 15 odd years.

Add to this our extremely fickle fan base- can anyone think of a club with more fickle fans because I can’t, I’m not sure I’d they’d be given patience to develop by the punters in the stands.

 

How many players developed by our academy over the past two decades have had one of the biggest clubs in Europe and offer 35million for them before they'd even played an hour of top flight league football?

Honestly if we are attacking cliched arguments then the biggest cliche is the one you put forward, that "among the best in the world in their position" players are keeping youth from getting chances..... name me the last time Chelsea had two world class wingers, because it sure don't describe the situation Callum Hudson-Odoi is currently facing.

There is an ocean of difference between home grown youth players with potential and truly world class players, I 100% agree...... but are you really advocating that's how we should describe Willian and Pedro? As among the best in the world for attacking wide players?  Because if they were deserving to be described as such I don't think the bleating for CHO would be as loud as it is.  

Perhaps in training these youth are not showing they are good enough to replace or challenge the senior players, but we see on a weekly basis those senior players aren't exactly showing they are good enough either it so why no give more minutes to the player who actually has an upward trajectory?

We can cite the hypothetical of what is being seen in training, but why not look at hard facts? Like the fact that CHO has as many Europa League goals (4) in 8 appearances ( 4 starts) as Willian and Pedro have combined in a combined 17 appearances (15 starts between them )?  I mean I'd compare BPL stats but CHO has to actually play a significant amount of minutes for that to work and he's only gotten 2 hours across something like 6 games....

Cliches can also be correct and based on facts.  Just because something is cliche doesn't make it wrong ...well maybe if you're some edgy/trendy hipster (not that I throwthis allegation, but it's the only demographic I can envisage condemning a cliche even when the cliche is the best advice/course available).

 

PS, Real Madrid.  We do have a fickle fan base, but if you can't think of a club with more fickle fans than either you're being disingenuous to prove a point or you're not thinking....... but why this even matters I don't know, because decisions at CFC have never been made based on the mood of the fans and Sarri has gone on the record numerous times saying directly or inferring that he simply does not care about the opinion of the fans.....so a bit of a red herring in my view.

Edited March 19, 20197 yr by Barry Bridges

Our new management team.

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Ewell CFC said:

 

 

How many players developed by our academy over the past two decades, have slipped through the net and gone on to become world beaters playing for other clubs?

This intergrate the youth bleating, and not necessarily by yourself has become a big fat cliche. Even allowing for short term mentality employed by managers desperate to cling onto their jobs, numerous coaches of ours, who see the youth play on a daily basis, must have all reached the same conclusion; they are not good enough to replace/ challenge the largely international talent established in their positions.

There is an ocean of difference between a home grown youth player with potential and one of the best players in the world in your position, which would be the case at Chelsea over the last 15 odd years.

Add to this our extremely fickle fan base- can anyone think of a club with more fickle fans because I can’t, I’m not sure I’d they’d be given patience to develop by the punters in the stands.

 

I disagree with this argument solely because, if a player is not developed accordingly by one club and they don't use him and shift him on, he then is in a whole new surroundings. There is no coincidence that our youth teams excel every season but majority of them don't end up in our first team and thus, they gradually are shifted out on loan, albeit because we have not given them a chance. I remember watching Chelsea U19 against Ajax U19 in next gen series this time three years ago. We won the game 1-0, in a really hard thought battle. Ajax fielded the likes of De Lijt who is coveted by almost all the big teams around Europe and considered one of the best CB around, already at his young age. They also had Van den de Beek playing who I think will be a top club too in the not doo distant future. Kluivert was a sub that game, can you believe it or not, however couple seasons after that he was a regular in Ajax team and got a move to Roma, because he was too good for the Eredivisie. Barca and United also were heavily linked with him. Frankie de Jong was not even around the first team or the U19 at that point but has got a chance in the first team and now is moving to Barca.

Jake Clarke-Salter was standout player for us in that game and competition but because we fail to give him the chance, he won't get the chance to prove himself at another major team because they won't take the gamble, but for instance had he played for Ajax, he may be getting the recognition. If you were watching the next gen series that season, no way would anyone would have concretely say Kluivert is better than Kasey Palmer, who was on another level that season, however we instantly loan Palmer to a Championship club and we don't have enough faith to give him a chance in the first team but say he had been at Ajax, he may have got the opportunity Kluivert had and found himself with a platform to a bigger club like Kluivert found by moving from Ajax to Roma.

Colkett too. Another classy player too who had he been integrated in the first team, would look a better player but sending him out on loan, some players struggle to make that impact as the level around you is not good. Put Colkett in Ajax and circumstances might be different because he is playing in a possession based team and probably would get chances.

If you fail to give your youngsters opportunities, it can have a detriment on the player in the long term in terms of the level they are playing at. I remember a few seasons ago our u19 battered Schalke U19. Both Sane and Kehrer were playing that game. They both eventually got in the first team for Schalke and now both are playing in the first team of two major teams in Europe. Our youngsters battered them. However, lack of opportunity means our players in long run will decline and not reach same level as other players who during the youth years probably were around a similar level. Just imagine if Kehrer was at our club. Do you reckon he would be at PSG now? Doubt it.

Edited March 19, 20197 yr by STATS

We beat City once this season. It was when, according to Sarri himself, the players before the match approached him and asked him to play deeper. That;'s the only reason it worked. After that Sarri decided to go back to his usual plan A and got his ass handed to him at Etihad with six goals embarrassment. 
No, he was brought here to change the style of football while keeping the team competitive. And yes, I don't have to possess some inside knowledge to know which objective is more important to the club right now, it's common sense.
I get it. You care about beauiful style more than results, although I don't see much beauty in struggling to score on one end, falling apart at the other and passing everyone to sleep in between. But I guess, to each his own.

I think you are confused on at least two counts. Firstly I said outperformed, not beat. And with his job on the line, so that wasn't the game. Secondly, I challenge you to find a quote where Sarri says the players asked him to play deeper before the 2-0 win against City. You then make further nonsensical suppositions but it's a waste of time speaking about those.

4 hours ago, venom2011 said:

 

 

I think you are confused on at least two counts. Firstly I said outperformed, not beat. And with his job on the line, so that wasn't the game. Secondly, I challenge you to find a quote where Sarri says the players asked him to play deeper before the 2-0 win against City. You then make further nonsensical suppositions but it's a waste of time speaking about those.

 

 

13 hours ago, abramovich said:

We beat City once this season. It was when, according to Sarri himself, the players before the match approached him and asked him to play deeper. That;'s the only reason it worked. After that Sarri decided to go back to his usual plan A and got his ass handed to him at Etihad with six goals embarrassment. 

No, he was brought here to change the style of football while keeping the team competitive. And yes, I don't have to possess some inside knowledge to know which objective is more important to the club right now, it's common sense.

I get it. You care about beauiful style more than results, although I don't see much beauty in struggling to score on one end, falling apart at the other and passing everyone to sleep in between. But I guess, to each his own.

He is wrong, it was against Spurs that the players asked to defender deeper in the second half as they were tired. And by the way, we've beaten Spurs twice this season, and have been superior to them in three of our four matches.

Edited March 20, 20197 yr by RMH

5 hours ago, venom2011 said:

 

 

I think you are confused on at least two counts. Firstly I said outperformed, not beat. And with his job on the line, so that wasn't the game. Secondly, I challenge you to find a quote where Sarri says the players asked him to play deeper before the 2-0 win against City. You then make further nonsensical suppositions but it's a waste of time speaking about those.

 

So what game were you refering to? The lost final? In what universe outperforming your opponent is preferable to beating them? If my job is on the line and I stll fail the test, while doing relatively okay, it's still a failure, right?

The request from the players may have happened before the match against Spurs and not City, but it has no bearing on the point I was making. One time Sarri decided to change his usual tactical approach and play to his players' strength we won against the best team in the league, which was unbeaten at the time, by the way. So it's not the quality of the players, that have us struggling, it's the manager who's too stubborn and tactically naive to use the squad at his disposal properly.

As far as nonsensical suppositions go, here's another one for you from someone who knows about football more than I, you and everybody else put together in this forum. Hope that helps.

 

8 hours ago, STATS said:

I disagree with this argument solely because, if a player is not developed accordingly by one club and they don't use him and shift him on, he then is in a whole new surroundings. There is no coincidence that our youth teams excel every season but majority of them don't end up in our first team and thus, they gradually are shifted out on loan, albeit because we have not given them a chance. I remember watching Chelsea U19 against Ajax U19 in next gen series this time three years ago. We won the game 1-0, in a really hard thought battle. Ajax fielded the likes of De Lijt who is coveted by almost all the big teams around Europe and considered one of the best CB around, already at his young age. They also had Van den de Beek playing who I think will be a top club too in the not doo distant future. Kluivert was a sub that game, can you believe it or not, however couple seasons after that he was a regular in Ajax team and got a move to Roma, because he was too good for the Eredivisie. Barca and United also were heavily linked with him. Frankie de Jong was not even around the first team or the U19 at that point but has got a chance in the first team and now is moving to Barca.

Jake Clarke-Salter was standout player for us in that game and competition but because we fail to give him the chance, he won't get the chance to prove himself at another major team because they won't take the gamble, but for instance had he played for Ajax, he may be getting the recognition. If you were watching the next gen series that season, no way would anyone would have concretely say Kluivert is better than Kasey Palmer, who was on another level that season, however we instantly loan Palmer to a Championship club and we don't have enough faith to give him a chance in the first team but say he had been at Ajax, he may have got the opportunity Kluivert had and found himself with a platform to a bigger club like Kluivert found by moving from Ajax to Roma.

Colkett too. Another classy player too who had he been integrated in the first team, would look a better player but sending him out on loan, some players struggle to make that impact as the level around you is not good. Put Colkett in Ajax and circumstances might be different because he is playing in a possession based team and probably would get chances.

If you fail to give your youngsters opportunities, it can have a detriment on the player in the long term in terms of the level they are playing at. I remember a few seasons ago our u19 battered Schalke U19. Both Sane and Kehrer were playing that game. They both eventually got in the first team for Schalke and now both are playing in the first team of two major teams in Europe. Our youngsters battered them. However, lack of opportunity means our players in long run will decline and not reach same level as other players who during the youth years probably were around a similar level. Just imagine if Kehrer was at our club. Do you reckon he would be at PSG now? Doubt it.

Well said.

It's an old and lazy argument that fails to take into consideration that we are unable to help youngsters take the next step in the most crucial stage of their development. 

I certainly want to keep Sarri and let him go again next season. Having said that, if Roman is desperate to get rid our priority should be a manager that puts faith in youth. I can handle another year of Europa league football and no trophies if players like CHO are getting serious game time. Its only going to make us stronger in the future.

16 hours ago, Nibs said:

A lot of that is true - can't argue with it. I hold my hand up and admit I was wrong when I thought players like McEachran and Bruma were going to be future Chelsea stars.

BUT, the academy is improving all the time, and one batch of youngsters gets replaced by another and another and I honestly do think, that there are a few now who ARE good enough, if handled right. Not All will make it, but I do expect more than one to out of the ones named earlier.

Even if there wasn't a transfer ban, I honestly don't think that Roman is going to spunk ££££ millions on players so NOW would be an ideal time to start seeing the academy pay dividends.

I saw one of the youth cup final legs against Norwich a few years back, and thought there was some tidy little players on view. 

Everyone wants home grown players to flourish, and it must be very tough on outstanding young players knowing that they’ve got next to no chance of breaking into the first team.

I suppose it only takes a couple of gems to justify the set up, but at the moment I can’t really see the point of it.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I certainly want to keep Sarri and let him go again next season. Having said that, if Roman is desperate to get rid our priority should be a manager that puts faith in youth. I can handle another year of Europa league football and no trophies if players like CHO are getting serious game time. Its only going to make us stronger in the future.

If we've got a transfer ban going into the summer then I wouldn't appose the idea of new managerial team coming in with the brief of "we've got all these youngsters, let's see what they can do for a year". 

Arguments sake it's Steve Holland with JT as his assistant, both really familiar with club and know a lot about the youth players already. 

They come in and they're there to bring out the best in CHO, Ampadu, Christensen, Abraham, RLC and we move on some of the more senior players like Willian, Luiz for example and maybe bring through a couple of others in place of the likes of Zappacosta who are fringe players anyway.

If that happened, as unlikely as it is, I think fans would show a lot more patience than they have with the team this season. 

Edited March 20, 20197 yr by ForeverCarefree

7 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

If we've got a transfer ban going into the summer then I wouldn't appose the idea of new managerial team coming in with the brief of "we've got all these youngsters, let's see what they can do for a year". 

Arguments sake the it's Steve Holland with JT as his assistant, both really familiar with club and know a lot about the youth players already. 

They come in and they're there to bring out the best in CHO, Ampadu, Christensen, Abraham, RLC and we move on some of the more senior players like Willian, Luiz for example and maybe bring through a couple of others in place of the likes of Zappacosta who are fringe players anyway.

If that happened, as unlikely as it is, I think fans would show a lot more patience than they have with the team this season. 

This is exactly what i would like to see as well. 

I’m as disappointed as anyone regarding Conte’s change of attitude & mentality in his second season. 

When Conte came here, before he signed a contract with us, am sure the board gave him some targets which probably include: (1) Winning the league or at least challenging to win the league every season. (2) Out of all 4 competitions we will be playing in, winning at least one every season. (3) Giving youth a chance in the first team.
Before Conte signed the contract, he must have asked for the board to back him in the transfer window so he can achieve the first 2 targets considering how average our squad was at that time, and by signing the contract, it shows the board assured him of there backing. Though the fact that we didn't really make much statement signings (apart from Kante) in Conte's first season shows the board gave him that first season just to see who is worth keeping and who should be sold out as we start rebuilding in Conte's second season. Weirdly Conte isn't the type that take any competition lightly, he brought some of our players on loan and pushed them to their limits, he instilled his winning mentality into this players and by the end of the season he exceeded the board's target in that first season by winning the league.
In his first season he achieved one of the most difficult targets the board gave him to show the board he is the right person to take the club forward, Conte in turn felt the board will be more than happy to also fulfill there promise to back him in the transfer window with his targets to improve the team. But during the transfer window, he found out negative our board can be after achieving a major success. He quickly realized the board wasn't as ambitious as he thought initially.
Now, if I were Conte, I would have quit immediately right there on a high, because there is no way that squad would compete in the champions league and still challenge for the title. But Conte, being a fan favourite at that time isn't a quitter, he loved the fans and his new environment. He tried to get best out of the average squad he has but by mid season it was obvious the squad ain't good enough to compete in the champions league and also challenge again for the EPL title, he was disappointed with how bad the season was going, he knew from experience that at the end of the day as a manager people won't judge him based on the average squad he has, he will simply be judge with results and will be made a scapegoat while the main culprit (the board) will be exempted from blame. He lost motivation, and that lack of motivation affected the players as well, but still he managed to motivate them for the important games against Barcelona and the FA Cup final against United.
Now my point is, I have never seen a successful football club with a good manager and a sh*t board. Most football clubs are successful because the manager share the same ambition with board and they both work together towards achieving there goals.
Conte is a human being like any one of us, and we all react negatively in different ways when we are being betrayed publicly by someone we trust. So I don't blame for his change of attitude in his second season because some of us would have done worse if we were in his shoes. I actually have lots of respect for him for what he achieved in just two seasons here and he is up there among my favourite mangers since I started watching Chelsea.

58 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

If we've got a transfer ban going into the summer then I wouldn't appose the idea of new managerial team coming in with the brief of "we've got all these youngsters, let's see what they can do for a year". 

Arguments sake it's Steve Holland with JT as his assistant, both really familiar with club and know a lot about the youth players already. 

They come in and they're there to bring out the best in CHO, Ampadu, Christensen, Abraham, RLC and we move on some of the more senior players like Willian, Luiz for example and maybe bring through a couple of others in place of the likes of Zappacosta who are fringe players anyway.

If that happened, as unlikely as it is, I think fans would show a lot more patience than they have with the team this season. 

Far too sensible to happen. 

Realistically we need at least 5 quality players adding to the team to push us back into contention at the top of the league. 

Theres is only 3 ways to get these players.

1) Buy them.

2) Improve ones we have.

3) Develop a young player. 

Sarri hasn't shown any signs of options 2 and 3, and if option 1 is off the table, we are going to be even worse next season. 

If the ban does get delayed, then I would be happy to give sarri another season if we brought in some real quality in the summer. But I have very little faith in that being the case.

3 hours ago, abramovich said:

So what game were you refering to? The lost final? In what universe outperforming your opponent is preferable to beating them? If my job is on the line and I stll fail the test, while doing relatively okay, it's still a failure, right?

The request from the players may have happened before the match against Spurs and not City, but it has no bearing on the point I was making. One time Sarri decided to change his usual tactical approach and play to his players' strength we won against the best team in the league, which was unbeaten at the time, by the way. So it's not the quality of the players, that have us struggling, it's the manager who's too stubborn and tactically naive to use the squad at his disposal properly.

As far as nonsensical suppositions go, here's another one for you from someone who knows about football more than I, you and everybody else put together in this forum. Hope that helps.

 

Failure depends on your objectives - game-by-game, short-term, and long-term. It is not a failure for Huddersfield to lose to us. I don't consider it failure to lose to the best team in Europe on a lottery when we've been the better team. I was immensely proud of that performance and it showed me that even with some massive cracks in the foundation we've still got something to build upon.

I find it very strange that you're using him adjusting his style to beat the best in Europe as a negative against the way he manages the team. He has adjusted his style more the "one time" by the way. And in any case one result does not mean the quality of the team is fine. We won by scoring two goals, goals that we barely have in this team so why would anyone expect us to continue scoring? As I've said before, I agree that if we had a more defensive manager then we may have had a few better scorelines over the season, but ultimately we would have achieved nothing for our long term goals. And Hazard would without a doubt leave. No counter-attacking team would ever be successful without goals. We would have just seen last season's Conte again.

A top 4 team in this league needs to score on average, 65-70 goals in a season. Even in a season where Hazard and Pedro are scoring well we just don't have the goals to compete.

I'll adapt that quote for you to be more relevant: If you have a philosophy and are not given the time and scope to implement it, what's the point?

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

If we've got a transfer ban going into the summer then I wouldn't appose the idea of new managerial team coming in with the brief of "we've got all these youngsters, let's see what they can do for a year". 

Arguments sake it's Steve Holland with JT as his assistant, both really familiar with club and know a lot about the youth players already. 

They come in and they're there to bring out the best in CHO, Ampadu, Christensen, Abraham, RLC and we move on some of the more senior players like Willian, Luiz for example and maybe bring through a couple of others in place of the likes of Zappacosta who are fringe players anyway.

If that happened, as unlikely as it is, I think fans would show a lot more patience than they have with the team this season. 

For me it’s not even the challenging for things next season, bring the kids through & build on that.

If Sarri stays we’re screwed, he’s showing that he has no ability to adapt & bring the style through that’s we need, he has no idea how this league works & to go back to the points being made about Abramovich, I think this proves Abramovich has lost interest in the club, he would never have stood for this in the past. 

We need to get back on track, get the tramp out of the club, bring in people that understand the club & move forward.

3 minutes ago, shedpensioner said:

For me it’s not even the challenging for things next season, bring the kids through & build on that.

If Sarri stays we’re screwed, he’s showing that he has no ability to adapt & bring the style through that’s we need, he has no idea how this league works & to go back to the points being made about Abramovich, I think this proves Abramovich has lost interest in the club, he would never have stood for this in the past. 

We need to get back on track, get the tramp out of the club, bring in people that understand the club & move forward.

I think a lot of people who say "play the kids!!" are not actually prepared for Chelsea to come 8th or 9th next year. Which is what would probably happen. 

When the phrase, play the kids and the fans will be patient is used. The assumption is that Chelsea will go far in some cups and finish 5th or 6th. 

Sarri should go to China and implement his plan A tactic there where he doesn't need to know the strenght of any of the players.

Conte and Ancelotti are better managers than him and yet they didn't come to the Bridge with such an arrogant attitude.

Losing to Everton that is horrible and barely avoiding defeat in the 92'min against Wolves showed that his philosophy and tactic doesn't work.

Our players could just show up and win those teams before, the tactic didn't matter much since the players always tried to play to their own strenghts but Sarri wants everyone else but him to change.

Kante improved a lot in his new role but if he can't have any impact against Fulham,Wolves and Everton it shows a big limitation to the tactic of Sarri.

I said after Fulham that I was not happy with Hazard because that team had so much issues in defending and yet somehow Hazard couldn't tear them up, funny how his solo goal from outside the box avoided the defeat to Wolves where Sarri acted as if it was a result of his tactic, no it wasn't it was a solo goal by the best player in the league.

The players are doing what Sarri wants and it doesn't work. He doesn't know how to train them to defend, nor to score goals, nor to come back after a conceded goal, Sarri just made this team capable of passing the ball around, which against the best teams doesn't even work nor is a goal of the team during the game.

Anyone can be Sarri, constantly ignoring his players and acting like his philosophy is bigger than football itself and that he just needs more time or more of his favorite players.

 

Edited March 20, 20197 yr by Gol15

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think a lot of people who say "play the kids!!" are not actually prepared for Chelsea to come 8th or 9th next year. Which is what would probably happen. 

When the phrase, play the kids and the fans will be patient is used. The assumption is that Chelsea will go far in some cups and finish 5th or 6th. 

If this season we were 8th or 9th but I could see progress I’d be happy, but we’re sh*t!

10 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think a lot of people who say "play the kids!!" are not actually prepared for Chelsea to come 8th or 9th next year. Which is what would probably happen. 

When the phrase, play the kids and the fans will be patient is used. The assumption is that Chelsea will go far in some cups and finish 5th or 6th. 

I'd be ecstatic if we played the kids more often, even if it meant coming 8th. Although if we had played RLC and CHO more often this season we would probably have still been in the top 4! 

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think a lot of people who say "play the kids!!" are not actually prepared for Chelsea to come 8th or 9th next year. Which is what would probably happen. 

When the phrase, play the kids and the fans will be patient is used. The assumption is that Chelsea will go far in some cups and finish 5th or 6th. 

It's not about completely overhauling the team but about having a set up where playing academy players is encouraged. 

So instead of handing out contract extensions to the likes of Pedro and Willian you let them (or one of them) go and allow CHO to have their minutes instead. He's shown enough this season that he's capable of playing in the first team so instead of hiding behind the tried and tested you put more faith in our successful youth academy. 

Instead of giving Luiz a new contract, you restore Christensen to the starting XI and promote Ampadu to 1st choice reserve. 

When Kovacic loan ends you give his minutes to RLC. 

Higuain and/or Giroud goes, you bring Tammy Abraham in as your first choice reserve. 

Let Zappacosta go and someone like Reece-James becomes your reserve player. 

It's not about suddenly having a team made up of players under 21 but just trusting the youth players we already have and giving them a chance. 

We chuck so much money at mediocre squad players like Drinkwater and Zappacosta when those roles could/should be filled by academy players.