4 hours ago, big blue said:

Its nearly as fun as your strict hypothetical rules, and top drawer sarcasm. 

I didn't set the rules. I answered someone's question.

MWBlue said -- for arguments sake, let's assume Conte has the same squad, would the younger players have gotten more time under him.

I can tell it's the international break, tends to get a bit chippy around here. I seem like a strange target in this one.

I just don't see this Sarri ball working out, even if we somehow overturns the ban and get better players next season. Teams in the league are way smarter and stronger than Italian teams, they just love to play against slow moving possession team, stay in shape, and wait for that counter punch. Interestingly enough, Carlo has stopped Napoli playing Sarri ball, and still doing just as well as Sarri did. Barc and City are just 2 exceptional teams with special players, they'd win most games playing counter attack or long ball, or park the bus.

4 hours ago, Nibs said:

 

I'll agree that the current squad isn't as strong as what we have been used to in previous seasons. BUT Sarri still has to shoulder a fair proportion of the blame. By being so stubborn and continually picking players out of form and not trying other options. And what happened to the claims that Sarri doesn't need a huge transfer budget - he prefers to work with the players he is given and improve them? Clearly a myth.

 

I agree he's been too slow to try other things, but I think that was more pronounced in the run up to the league cup final. After that he's been more flexible 

I think he has done just about enough to deserve the time to turn it around. The challenge he had was huge remember and we've still got a reasonably good chance of getting into the CL for next year. Outside of that, I am genuinely fearful about what happens to our club if we sack him and instill someone else who won't be able to sign players for 2 years. As at the moment I don't know who on earth we would get.

5 hours ago, bisright1 said:

 Sarri ball is a media term, it's not his. He just plays possession football. Our players aren't good enough for the system 

I think he should stay because there's a higher chance we do better next year with him, than with whatever idiot joins us under this transfer ban and this set of players. Our squad is good enough to compete for 4th and no higher. which it's doing. That isn't Sarris fault we have a sh*t squad. 

It's not a sh*t squad.  A win vs Wolves & Everton and we'd be third.  Stubborn tactics, substitutions, and an inability to find a system that works both for his style and the players he currently has is what has kept is from being better this season.

We all acknowledge (well, most of us anyway) that Sarri does not have enough of the players he wants to play his style of football.  Should the Transfer Ban not get postponed or overturned, that isn't going to change until the summer of 2020.  Is he going to spend the next 16 months still trying to get these players to play a style that doesn't seem to suit them?  Is he going to be more willing to play Hudson-Odoi next season simply because he's 19 years old instead of 18?  Is Ampadu going to get any sort of chance to play?  Is he going to be willing to use returning loan players such as James, Tomori, Abraham, Batshuyi, or Mount?  

Have we seen enough in Sarri to believe that he is the man to get an extension beyond his current deal to help change and mold the squad, to be the guy we buy players to fit his style for?

I'm not someone who watches Napoli on a regular basis, but they don't seem to have missed Sarri this season, so is totally revolutionizing our squad for him a task worth the effort?

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by Boston Blue

Let's not forget losing 0-2 at home to Man utd 10 minutes to go urgently needing a goal so Mr Sarri decides to bring on Zappacosta instead of an attacking threat, Muppet! 

Cant wait for the day of his sacking.

50 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I agree he's been too slow to try other things, but I think that was more pronounced in the run up to the league cup final. After that he's been more flexible 

I think he has done just about enough to deserve the time to turn it around. The challenge he had was huge remember and we've still got a reasonably good chance of getting into the CL for next year. Outside of that, I am genuinely fearful about what happens to our club if we sack him and instill someone else who won't be able to sign players for 2 years. As at the moment I don't know who on earth we would get.

What about the fact that we managed to win one game coming from behind all season long? Football management isn't just about teaching fancy passing triangles. He is terrible at motivating players, that much is clear, he commands neither fear, nor respect. There's absolutely no reason to give him more time.

3 hours ago, Skinnedy said:

I didn't set the rules. I answered someone's question.

MWBlue said -- for arguments sake, let's assume Conte has the same squad, would the younger players have gotten more time under him.

I can tell it's the international break, tends to get a bit chippy around here. I seem like a strange target in this one.

I just replied to your post with what I thought was a more realistic outcome should conte had stayed. Every response you have then given has been either condescending or sarcastic, so I've responded in kind. 

Anyways. Under the bridge. Back on topic. 

2 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

 

I'm not someone who watches Napoli on a regular basis, but they don't seem to have missed Sarri this season, so is totally revolutionizing our squad for him a task worth the effort?

They've got ancelotti as their manager and he's done about the same. 

We won't get an ancelotti as our manager. That much is clear. 

It's clear he won't get the sack until we fail to win Europa league, just like last season with Conte, I hope the patience brings reward. Sarri could blame the lack of quality in the team, but the fact is Arsenal has a new manager with a worse squad, and despite a horror start to the season, they managed to beating us in the top 4 race. Emery may not be a top gun, but he certainly adapted much better and got more out of his limited squad. For someone who's an experienced manger, Sarri's ability to adapt and change is just awful. Anyway, since he's still in charge, let's pray he get it right in the remaining games.

Edited March 23, 20197 yr by icecoolguy22

On 22/03/2019 at 08:52, shedpensioner said:

You’re basing this on what? What so far has made you think he’s going to turn it around & we’ll be great to watch & winning games? 

Taking into account that we’re losing our best player this summer who has been our only consistent threat.

I have had a bit of a rethink about Sarri but not because of his football because of his squad management and the lack of mental strength after going behind.

I actually think his idea of football is pretty sound and if i based things on that alone i would be extremely confident with him going forward.

21 hours ago, tmarmsi said:

Let's not forget losing 0-2 at home to Man utd 10 minutes to go urgently needing a goal so Mr Sarri decides to bring on Zappacosta instead of an attacking threat, Muppet! 

Cant wait for the day of his sacking.

Actually it's not uncommon for managers to switch a defensive full back for a more attacking one while chasing a game.

On 21/03/2019 at 22:02, chi blue said:

One of the reasons we aren't clinical enough is that we don't create enough chances, and the reason we don't create enough chances is that the opposition teams can read us like a book and just watch as we f**k about with sh*t tippy tappy bollox in our own half and that is down to the coach and his mythical Sarri ball tactics. Everytime I go on this thread I see 40% of people are still saying he should stay, I presume they either don't go to games and spend their hard earned money on watching this dross or are on the wind

On 22/03/2019 at 08:08, Nibs said:

 

I'll agree that the current squad isn't as strong as what we have been used to in previous seasons. BUT Sarri still has to shoulder a fair proportion of the blame. By being so stubborn and continually picking players out of form and not trying other options. And what happened to the claims that Sarri doesn't need a huge transfer budget - he prefers to work with the players he is given and improve them? Clearly a myth.

 

I am sure Sarri would be happy to work with a less budget, but there's no doubt the PL is more competitive than it's ever been. 6 clubs are challenging for top four. I also don't doubt that Sarri probably expected this squad of players to be better than he envisaged. I do think if we had started the season with Higuain, we would be a better position. Those 5 months without a proper striker has cost us points. I don't think the club expected Morata to be misfiring again. 

 

On 22/03/2019 at 08:52, shedpensioner said:

You’re basing this on what? What so far has made you think he’s going to turn it around

He has turned us around, we now play football, instead of get ball.

Roman employed Sarri, he employed him because he wanted Chelsea to play possession football, the players wanted possession football,......if Pep never went to citeh i doubt Roman would of signed Sarri, but Roman knew we had to change when we went to citeh last season and played without the ball for nearly an hour and a half.

Well Roman (and the players) got what he wanted, Sarri has us in the top six with a fighting chance of 3rd, and in a commanding position in the last 8 of the EL. I just dont know what some people expected him to achieve by this point., we are literally the width of the post away from 3rd place.

 

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Well Roman (and the players) got what he wanted, Sarri has us in the top six with a fighting chance of 3rd, and in a commanding position in the last 8 of the EL. I just dont know what some people expected him to achieve by this point., we are literally the width of the post away from 3rd place.

No issue with your first two points yet with this one I'm less sure.

Sarri has adapted recently which may have kept us in contention for top 4, was that because he wanted to or external pressure forced it on him?

1 minute ago, Strider6003 said:

No issue with your first two points yet with this one I'm less sure.

Sarri has adapted recently which may have kept us in contention for top 4, was that because he wanted to or external pressure forced it on him?

External pressure ? you mean internal pressure from the twatish fans booing players.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

External pressure ? you mean internal pressure from the twatish fans booing players.

Fans, papers and press.

He has faced many press questions this season about RLC, Hudson-Odoi, Jorginho and Kante. I think some have had an effect.

9 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

Fans, papers and press.

He has faced many press questions this season about RLC, Hudson-Odoi, Jorginho and Kante. I think some have had an effect.

More likely the fans booing that will be the biggest pressure builder, not doubting the media have some affect, but nothing like the mutiny of booing fans.

12 minutes ago, coco said:

More likely the fans booing that will be the biggest pressure builder, not doubting the media have some affect, but nothing like the mutiny of booing fans.

I think the boos are only recently yet agree they will have an effect.

I think at this stage he will probably at least get the rest of the season. And I think he should either way. I'm not convinced that a new manager would make much difference in the short term anyway. I think it would be like Hiddink's second spell

There are only four stats I care about:
1) Wins
2) Goals Scored
3) Goals Conceded
4) League Position
The rest of them make for a fun discussion, but do they really, truly matter?

They do...if you have proper understanding of how to use them and their relevance. Most people don't.

4 hours ago, coco said:

He has turned us around, we now play football, instead of get ball.

Roman employed Sarri, he employed him because he wanted Chelsea to play possession football, the players wanted possession football,......if Pep never went to citeh i doubt Roman would of signed Sarri, but Roman knew we had to change when we went to citeh last season and played without the ball for nearly an hour and a half.

Well Roman (and the players) got what he wanted, Sarri has us in the top six with a fighting chance of 3rd, and in a commanding position in the last 8 of the EL. I just dont know what some people expected him to achieve by this point., we are literally the width of the post away from 3rd place.

 

I think this is quite right. Sarri hasn't had an A+ season with us. He has gotten the team to do a 180 in terms of playing style. I never agreed that Conte was as defensive as most made him out to be but this is the kind of football the owner wants and he had to know from day 1 under Sarri that it's going to take more than 9 months to get back to the top playing this way. 

The state of us before Conte left was frightening. Players seemed to hate playing his way and 1 even blocked him out of a picture. We finished outside the top 4 under him as well and you'd have bet this season would be worse if he was still in charge. 

I'm not sure it's encouraging to point out the amount of times we've hit the woodwork since it's pretty damning of the finishing, something like 18, and play the what if game but if even 1/3 of those go in the narrative does change. 

Sarri is slowly learning/adapting with his tactics and his subs. I for one would like to see what he can do with a full summer of prep before sacking him. If it's more of the same come October or November then by all means get rid of him. 

 

If he can't win the Europa League, he can't win anything.

Plain and simple, fail to win that and everyone knows Sarri doesn't have what it takes to win a trophy, then if Roman still wants him that's his problem but no silverware under Sarri if so.

 

On 23/03/2019 at 21:04, coco said:

He has turned us around, we now play football, instead of get ball.

 

 

but has he ??? the ground swell feeling is that his football is boring , not attractive , predictable and painful to watch .....fans are turned off by it and starting to voice there opinion by non attendance . For the first time in years it is pretty easy to get a ticket for a game as plenty are available .....that will be his downfall

 

Anyone else feel a bit depressed about the state of affairs at the moment? I've never felt this low about the club, not even when we were near relegation under Mourinho. 

What's to look forward to after this season, you know besides losing all of our best players while under a transfer ban, do you honestly expect Sarri to start playing CHO next season? 

2 hours ago, Tea Bar Boy said:

but has he ??? the ground swell feeling is that his football is boring , not attractive , predictable and painful to watch .....fans are turned off by it and starting to voice there opinion by non attendance . For the first time in years it is pretty easy to get a ticket for a game as plenty are available .....that will be his downfall

 

I met up with one of my mates with an away season ticket over the weekend & he was telling me that most that go now are going for the craic & meeting up with mates, he said the football is truly awful to watch.