I thought it was someone at work winding me up at first,however sadly not.

Agree with the comments of Rudiger posted above.

I feel as numb as Jose's first sacking. Work productivity has taken for a toss.

13 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Feel more detached from the club I have supported all my life than ever. Right now, I couldn't give a toss who we appoint - it's left that much of a bad taste. But times a great healer and hopefully it will be Potter and when this feeling of contempt for the club hopefully fades, we'll see what happens. 

The feelings will leave! It's close to 56 years for me and I've seen about 30 managers come and go. Dave Sexton was there for 7 of those years so the rest don't stay for long. It's the Chelsea way.  

In the last 6-8 months our league performances have been some of the most boring I have seen a Chelsea team play so I won't miss Tuchel. 

 

Only here for 100 games as well. One of my favourite Chelsea managers ever. Best of luck at your new club 🔵🏆

6 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Brian ? Assume you mean Graham ... 

Graham Potter's record at Brighton : Played 135, won 42, drawn 46, lost 47, win per cent 31.1%. Just what we need !

I think that's largely irrelevant though. Guardiola, Klopp, Fergie, Conte, Ancelotti etc etc would have a similar win ratio  at Brighton in that same period. 

He plays a more attractive attacking style than Tuchel and regularly gets more out of players than their talents suggest. He also seems to be able to get players playing for him and a team to be organised and carry out a game plan on the pitch.

Just now we need those things far more than we need a big name manager.

Yes it's a gamble, yes you can say 'aargh but will he be able to do it with higher profile players' and we will never know if he doesn't get the chance. What I will say is I'd much rather have a player with less ability but the right attitude than the opposite and I have more confidence in a Potter recognising that than I would a Zidane. 

1 minute ago, loz said:

I think that's largely irrelevant though. Guardiola, Klopp, Fergie, Conte, Ancelotti etc etc would have a similar win ratio  at Brighton in that same period. 

He plays a more attractive attacking style than Tuchel and regularly gets more out of players than their talents suggest. He also seems to be able to get players playing for him and a team to be organised and carry out a game plan on the pitch.

Just now we need those things far more than we need a big name manager.

Yes it's a gamble, yes you can say 'aargh but will he be able to do it with higher profile players' and we will never know if he doesn't get the chance. What I will say is I'd much rather have a player with less ability but the right attitude than the opposite and I have more confidence in a Potter recognising that than I would a Zidane. 

A lot harder to play attacking football against 10 men behind the ball every game. Potter's last 3 seasons were 15th, 16th and 9th, so only one season where Brighton have overperformed. How is he any better than Nuno?

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

A lot harder to play attacking football against 10 men behind the ball every game. Potter's last 3 seasons were 15th, 16th and 9th, so only one season where Brighton have overperformed. How is he any better than Nuno?

I would say that shows he got the best anyone could expect in two seasons and exceeded expectations massively  in one and, albeit the season is young, he has continued to do so this season. Seems a positive projectory to me. 

Not sure what Nuno has to do with it.

Loved every bit of Tuchel as a Chelsea manager and the news came like a shock! It was actually a Twitter notification from one of the many Chelsea related accounts and thought it was BS at first.

Sad to see him leave. We did start this season on the wrong foot, but I really thought he'd at least be given an ultimatum before getting the boot at some point if things got worse.

Guess it was not entirely football related and we have no idea what was going on behind the scenes, but it seemed his relationship with the players was broken, although it is a bit odd as it looked like he was given full power by the new owners, something we are not used to see at Chelsea everyday.

I was sure we would not get the sack although we were dog sh*te and was expecting him to make his move. Like tactics for a change. I am really becoming frustrated with the three at the back and was hoping he'd soon change that. Guess I will have to wait even more as Potter seems to fancy that tactic, too...

Will always love Tuchel for his job and dedication here and I stand by what I said numerous times on this forum - he is a tournament manager, rather than a title winning one. Had he stayed here for the next 20 years, I'd have trusted him to win 8-10 UCL titles, rather than win two or three league titles in that same span of time. 

Wish him the best of luck for the future and I guess the rumours of him always having a problem with the upper highs are true. Boehly and his associates made a great effort to buy the club for a massive fortune, maybe it would have been wiser to listen to their demands as well, be a bit clever you know, ok they want Ronaldo and some other big name player, ok bring them here, I will coach them, in return you get me those players, let's balance things and be friends. It would have been a win-win situation for two stubborn sides.

Thank you Thomas Tuchel!

Just now, loz said:

I would say that shows he got the best anyone could expect in two seasons and exceeded expectations massively  in one and, albeit the season is young, he has continued to do so this season. Seems a positive projectory to me. 

Not sure what Nuno has to do with it.

15th and 16th isn't above expectations. Nuno was a manager that was also highly rated at the time for his performances with a mid table side, getting Wolves promoted then finishing 7th 7th and 13th, which is better than what Potter's done. Tottenham sacked him in two months.

 

Managing a top 6 club is a completely different task. Potter could be a success but it's a massive gamble, and certainly not a gamble worth sacking Thomas Tuchel over.

7 minutes ago, loz said:

I think that's largely irrelevant though. Guardiola, Klopp, Fergie, Conte, Ancelotti etc etc would have a similar win ratio  at Brighton in that same period. 

He plays a more attractive attacking style than Tuchel and regularly gets more out of players than their talents suggest. He also seems to be able to get players playing for him and a team to be organised and carry out a game plan on the pitch.

Which pretty much confirms that if you don't have the right players, there is bugger all the manager can do to deliver success ... which is what some of us have been saying for a while now !

The likes of Ziyech and Pulisic are not suddenly going to become elite wingers because Potter might get a little bit more out of them than Tuchel. The data analytics mob might rightly say that Potter delivered, say, a "25% performance improvement", but in Ziyech's case that might mean he scored 5 goals a season instead of 4 🙂 

Anyway, let's see what he can do, assuming he is even appointed. It will be an interesting ride for sure ... 

8 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

Loved every bit of Tuchel as a Chelsea manager and the news came like a shock! It was actually a Twitter notification from one of the many Chelsea related accounts and thought it was BS at first.

Sad to see him leave. We did start this season on the wrong foot, but I really thought he'd at least be given an ultimatum before getting the boot at some point if things got worse.

Guess it was not entirely football related and we have no idea what was going on behind the scenes, but it seemed his relationship with the players was broken, although it is a bit odd as it looked like he was given full power by the new owners, something we are not used to see at Chelsea everyday.

I was sure we would not get the sack although we were dog sh*te and was expecting him to make his move. Like tactics for a change. I am really becoming frustrated with the three at the back and was hoping he'd soon change that. Guess I will have to wait even more as Potter seems to fancy that tactic, too...

Will always love Tuchel for his job and dedication here and I stand by what I said numerous times on this forum - he is a tournament manager, rather than a title winning one. Had he stayed here for the next 20 years, I'd have trusted him to win 8-10 UCL titles, rather than win two or three league titles in that same span of time. 

Wish him the best of luck for the future and I guess the rumours of him always having a problem with the upper highs are true. Boehly and his associates made a great effort to buy the club for a massive fortune, maybe it would have been wiser to listen to their demands as well, be a bit clever you know, ok they want Ronaldo and some other big name player, ok bring them here, I will coach them, in return you get me those players, let's balance things and be friends. It would have been a win-win situation for two stubborn sides.

Thank you Thomas Tuchel!

Yeah this does feel like a non-football related sacking, it would be crazy if Boehly sacked him purely on results. I think not signing Ronaldo might have played a part, as Boehly has been intent on increasing revenue streams for us and making Chelsea a bigger club. And to be fair I'd rather have an ageing Ronaldo than an ageing Aubameyang. 

 

Even then this sacking still feels so unjustified, even the media ghouls hadn't started putting pressure on Tuchel yet. Not to mention of you wanted Ronaldo then why sack the manager when the window was closed and we couldn't get him anymore?

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by Drogba1

By reports Boehly is every bit the nightmare yank a lot of people were afraid of taking over the club.  Sacking a manager because he doesn't want your big commerical star name,  targeting players against the managers Wishes, putting pressure on the manager to explain why he doesn't want whatever name his dumbass wants that week.

Coupled with his general incompetence all window as he failed to put a transfer team in place and personally flung himself at every highly player who was rumoured to be on the move, some of which (Raphina, Dembele) had no interest in coming here I think we're in for a struggle with this prick in charge.

Boehly Out.

Radcliffe in.

17 minutes ago, loz said:

I think that's largely irrelevant though. Guardiola, Klopp, Fergie, Conte, Ancelotti etc etc would have a similar win ratio  at Brighton in that same period. 

He plays a more attractive attacking style than Tuchel and regularly gets more out of players than their talents suggest. He also seems to be able to get players playing for him and a team to be organised and carry out a game plan on the pitch.

Just now we need those things far more than we need a big name manager.

Yes it's a gamble, yes you can say 'aargh but will he be able to do it with higher profile players' and we will never know if he doesn't get the chance. What I will say is I'd much rather have a player with less ability but the right attitude than the opposite and I have more confidence in a Potter recognising that than I would a Zidane. 

Tuchel took Mainz to the Europa League, that's what a world class manager can do. The likes of Klopp and Conte would do similar. Potter hasn't done anything to show he's qualified to manage Chelsea

5 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

15th and 16th isn't above expectations. Nuno was a manager that was also highly rated at the time for his performances with a mid table side, getting Wolves promoted then finishing 7th 7th and 13th, which is better than what Potter's done. Tottenham sacked him in two months.

 

Managing a top 6 club is a completely different task. Potter could be a success but it's a massive gamble, and certainly not a gamble worth sacking Thomas Tuchel over.

I didn't say it was above expectations. I said it was expectations. 

Still don't get the point of the Nuno comparison. Is there some sort of rule that if one managers career goes one way then another's with a similar back story will go the same. 

There was once a fella who got some good results at lower league Italian teams and rocked up at Juve, did the business and did ok at Chelsea! Maybe the rule doesn't always apply.

I don't think sacking Tuchel was the wrong decision. All the signs were there that he was losing the players, or certainly enough of them. Heads were down, no fight, no spirit and week in week out disjointed teams. We were going backwards fast and once you lose the players the end is nigh for a manager. Better sooner rather than later.

19 minutes ago, loz said:

I think that's largely irrelevant though. Guardiola, Klopp, Fergie, Conte, Ancelotti etc etc would have a similar win ratio  at Brighton in that same period. 

He plays a more attractive attacking style than Tuchel and regularly gets more out of players than their talents suggest. He also seems to be able to get players playing for him and a team to be organised and carry out a game plan on the pitch.

Just now we need those things far more than we need a big name manager.

Yes it's a gamble, yes you can say 'aargh but will he be able to do it with higher profile players' and we will never know if he doesn't get the chance. What I will say is I'd much rather have a player with less ability but the right attitude than the opposite and I have more confidence in a Potter recognising that than I would a Zidane. 

But Loz, we've had that with most managers but it never lasts.

I remember there was a period early in TT's tenure where we seemed unbeatable. Everything he did came off - no matter what team he selected and all the players seemed to get it and the team spirit never seemed higher. But whoever we appoint, it appears that after a while a "cancer" sets in (sorry to use that word but it's kinda apt). The smiley, happy, great coach suddenly looks like he has the whole worlds problems on his shoulders, the players become disinterested and we find ourselves back to square one. I;m sure if Potter is appointed, all will start well but how long will any of us honestly give him? In a way, I almost hope he turns us down as it will serve the hierarchy right.

 

24 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

Only here for 100 games as well. One of my favourite Chelsea managers ever. Best of luck at your new club 🔵🏆

Tbh if you analyse his achievements at Chelsea only the CL win was truly impressive. The Supercup went to pens against inferior opposition, the CWC was a drag and required a late pen, lost FA Cup final to Leicester, lost 2 more finals when we were the better team. And then the title charge was heavily dependant on defenders scoring which was not sustainable.

9 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

By reports Boehly is every bit the nightmare yank a lot of people were afraid of taking over the club.  Sacking a manager because he doesn't want your big commerical star name,  targeting players against the managers Wishes, putting pressure on the manager to explain why he doesn't want whatever name his dumbass wants that week.

Coupled with his general incompetence all window as he failed to put a transfer team in place and personally flung himself at every highly player who was rumoured to be on the move, some of which (Raphina, Dembele) had no interest in coming here I think we're in for a struggle with this prick in charge.

Boehly Out.

Radcliffe in.

And there's me thinking it was about our poor  results and awful style of play !

1 minute ago, Nibs said:

But Loz, we've had that with most managers but it never lasts.

I remember there was a period early in TT's tenure where we seemed unbeatable. Everything he did came off - no matter what team he selected and all the players seemed to get it and the team spirit never seemed higher. But whoever we appoint, it appears that after a while a "cancer" sets in (sorry to use that word but it's kinda apt). The smiley, happy, great coach suddenly looks like he has the whole worlds problems on his shoulders, the players become disinterested and we find ourselves back to square one. I;m sure if Potter is appointed, all will start well but how long will any of us honestly give him? In a way, I almost hope he turns us down as it will serve the hierarchy right.

 

Very true Nibs but in a way that is what makes me like the idea of trying our luck with a lesser profile manager for the first time for a long time. For ages we've had nothing but high profile managers who are maybe convinced their way is the only way and stubbornly refuse to change. A younger, less established manager might, and I stress might, be more willing to change 

Just now, The Rising Sun said:

And there's me thinking it was about our poor  results and awful style of play !

 

2 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

Tbh if you analyse his achievements at Chelsea only the CL win was truly impressive. The Supercup went to pens against inferior opposition, the CWC was a drag and required a late pen, lost FA Cup final to Leicester, lost 2 more finals when we were the better team. And then the title charge was heavily dependant on defenders scoring which was not sustainable.

Funny how you criticise Tuchel for needing penalties against weaker opposition in the Super Cup but give him no credit for taking superior opposition to Pens in the 2 domestic cup finals last season.

Tuchels Cup performances for us were outstanding.

And he finished in the top 4 (despite starting outside the top 4 places when he took over from Lamps) in his 1st season and was comfortably 3rd for the entirety of his 2nd season which is the best league finish anyone could realistically hope for.

To try to pretend Tuchel didn't get fantastic results is simply being dishonest he did everything that could have been expected from him and more.

 

At first i was shocked and in disbelief. 

Then i thought it was probably the right thing after all because performance was sub standard and disconnect with the board. 

Now it feels kinda wrong. He was part of the club and steered us through very difficult times. 

Managing a team where everyone 

40 minutes ago, BS66 said:

The feelings will leave! It's close to 56 years for me and I've seen about 30 managers come and go. Dave Sexton was there for 7 of those years so the rest don't stay for long. It's the Chelsea way.  

In the last 6-8 months our league performances have been some of the most boring I have seen a Chelsea team play so I won't miss Tuchel. 

That's it mate, there's no excuse for the dreadful football we have to watch. You've probably seen absolutely rubbish teams like me, but I can't remember watching such boring football at the Bridge ever ,especially when you consider the fortunes we have paid out.

10 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

And there's me thinking it was about our poor  results and awful style of play !

Perhaps if Boehly wasn't completely incompetent to the point he failed to bring in any kind of backroom or admin staff after causing the existing staff to leave Tuchel would have been able to focus on coaching the team and work on our style of play instead of being forced to be our scout/director of football/manager/bus driver and fill half a dozen roles at the club single handedly.

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

Li'l tommy OUT...

 

 I am vindicated!'

 

😎😎😎

I never really warmed to TT on a human level, not that that is important.

Early success has turned into mediocrity in more recent times.

I’m not surprised he’s been sacked after the dross so far this season, and last nights press conference he basically sealed his own fate by saying he had no answers.

Thanks for the memories TT, good luck for the future.