Yup Lamps has reiterated Gordon is an Everton player and is not for sale.

2 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

I won't give you an answer in the context of the fee because that's somewhat irrelevant - as the correlation between fee and ability/output isn't great.

But along with what Axman has said above, I'll offer you this:

I tried to include players for comparison who fit roughly the same profile or position. If you look at his defensive contribution it's not just good as some here have insinuated, it's exceptional. He presses a ton, is very difficult to get past, and puts his foot in regularly. This is important for us because our chance creation comes from our intensity and pressure. We don't have incredible passers or visionaries to unlock defences - no Trent, Kane, Thiago, KDB, Bernardo Silva, Eriksen in our team. He actually matches up better with Kante and Gallagher which is saying something.

On top of that he's strong on the ball, dribbles very well with good control, he's quick, and his intensity is great here too. Obviously his output and on the ball stats are hamstrung by playing for Everton.

The club want him because this combination is rare in a player and it's a profile that suits our team perfectly for the aforementioned reasons. Provided we're not intent on relying on him for goals, I think it could be a sleeper hit. Though he's certainly not going to solve the rather pressing issue of goal contributions. 

 

A “sleeper hit” and a signing for our current system?, this ship is sailing in rocky conditions at the moment, who is to say this style remains. Our current crop are not converting, another signing who either isn’t creative or lacks end product to their game isn’t going to help matters. 

You’ve performed some mental gymnastics to justify this one which is commendable but those characteristics are not special enough to command such a fee (which is relevant unfortunately), wish Boehly would just let it rest now, bring in the stop-gap striker and leave it; build up the scouting networks over the year and wait. 

 

9 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Mason Mount?, the same Mason Mount who has a transfer value of £91m (Statista, 2022), first team regular for England, over a 100 games at the highest level for club and an assist-winner in a CL final?, that Mason Mount?

 

Mate, don’t make me laugh by comparing Gordon with him. Gordon ran around for 50 games in an Everton shirt, showed a lot of ‘effort’ and could press, now he’s worth £60m with despite having no end product  😅🤦‍♂️ money laundering.. simple & plain. 

No where did I compare Gordon to Mount. Read what I said, consider the social media narrative behind Mount's performances, and move along. 

1 minute ago, venom2011 said:

No where did I compare Gordon to Mount. Read what I said, consider the social media narrative behind Mount's performances, and move along. 

I read it and was speaking from the perspective of that ‘said fan base’, as you put it. Come on now, we know Mount can be justified for the reasons mentioned, if he quit playing now or had a career ending injury he’d have a better legacy than most. It’s a bad comparison in terms of how other fans would view it

3 minutes ago, Term_X said:

A “sleeper hit” and a signing for our current system?, this ship is sailing in rocky conditions at the moment, who is to say this style remains. Our current crop are not converting, another signing who either isn’t creative or lacks end product to their game isn’t going to help matters. 

 

Rocky conditions according to who? We have key injuries, players to bed-in and a team capable of beating anyone. We have better squad depth than just about every team aside from City. Whether the style remains is moot, it is the way we play and most importantly - the way we play successfully. 

11 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Yup Lamps has reiterated Gordon is an Everton player and is not for sale.

Well to be fair why would Lampard shoot himself in the foot... Late August it's not really comfortable to lose a player even if you do sell him for twice his value.

The funny thing is that he probably wouldn't want any of our wingers as a potential trade either but I find it hard to believe that for 50-60m we can't find 2 Brazilian/Argentinian kids that are at the very least equally skilled with the ball and have the pace as Gordon.

Lampard is proper Chels. Stopping us from wasting our money.

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

I won't give you an answer in the context of the fee because that's somewhat irrelevant - as the correlation between fee and ability/output isn't great.

But along with what Axman has said above, I'll offer you this:

I tried to include players for comparison who fit roughly the same profile or position. If you look at his defensive contribution it's not just good as some here have insinuated, it's exceptional. He presses a ton, is very difficult to get past, and puts his foot in regularly. This is important for us because our chance creation comes from our intensity and pressure. We don't have incredible passers or visionaries to unlock defences - no Trent, Kane, Thiago, KDB, Bernardo Silva, Eriksen in our team. He actually matches up better with Kante and Gallagher which is saying something.

On top of that he's strong on the ball, dribbles very well with good control, he's quick, and his intensity is great here too. Obviously his output and on the ball stats are hamstrung by playing for Everton.

The club want him because this combination is rare in a player and it's a profile that suits our team perfectly for the aforementioned reasons. Provided we're not intent on relying on him for goals, I think it could be a sleeper hit. Though he's certainly not going to solve the rather pressing issue of goal contributions. 

 

I can't argue with those stats and i have onl seen him on a few occasions and form MOTD higlights. Each time i have seen him he has looked bang average. If he delivers as you say here then fair enough

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

I won't give you an answer in the context of the fee because that's somewhat irrelevant - as the correlation between fee and ability/output isn't great.

But along with what Axman has said above, I'll offer you this:

I tried to include players for comparison who fit roughly the same profile or position. If you look at his defensive contribution it's not just good as some here have insinuated, it's exceptional. He presses a ton, is very difficult to get past, and puts his foot in regularly. This is important for us because our chance creation comes from our intensity and pressure. We don't have incredible passers or visionaries to unlock defences - no Trent, Kane, Thiago, KDB, Bernardo Silva, Eriksen in our team. He actually matches up better with Kante and Gallagher which is saying something.

On top of that he's strong on the ball, dribbles very well with good control, he's quick, and his intensity is great here too. Obviously his output and on the ball stats are hamstrung by playing for Everton.

The club want him because this combination is rare in a player and it's a profile that suits our team perfectly for the aforementioned reasons. Provided we're not intent on relying on him for goals, I think it could be a sleeper hit. Though he's certainly not going to solve the rather pressing issue of goal contributions. 

 

great post 

also when you watch him play you see he brings excitement, he brings something to what's most often a very boring Everton

he also is in a weird way a mix of elegant footballer + gritty aggressive

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by azpi28

Hes actually not a bad signing and would be a better fit than rafa leao. He is single handedly Evertons best player already. The only major issue i have is the price. Noway is he close to £60m. Saying that though if we do sign him, he would be a good one. Conte wanted him too btw but everton insisted only one was for sale and preferred if it was Richarlison 

47 minutes ago, Oli said:

Hes actually not a bad signing and would be a better fit than rafa leao. He is single handedly Evertons best player already. The only major issue i have is the price. Noway is he close to £60m. Saying that though if we do sign him, he would be a good one. Conte wanted him too btw but everton insisted only one was for sale and preferred if it was Richarlison 

I think the quoted 60m includes add-ons so the initial amount would be less. Sounds like Everton want to secure a replacement first though, so I suspect this will go right until the end of the window.

12 hours ago, Nibs said:

This is a real head scratcher and for the life of me I just can't fathom it.

Who had even heard of this bloke until mid-way through last season. A promising young player but no more than that.  He has only broken into the Everton side because they are Everton. He wouldn't be in any other top side and if he was at our academy he would be out on loan so why are we talking of spunking £60M on him FFS?

Utter desperation and madness and youngsters already at our club who have toiled hard must be thinking WTF?

I pray this one doesn't happen as it will go horribly wrong.

Bro'  You have to remember who his Manager is and that Frank's heart is still in Chelsea. He may have seen something really special in Gordon and mentioned it to his former mates at Chelsea. I know it is a long shot, but there must be more to our pursuit of this kid.

12 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Most welcome. It's always worthwhile to offer a balanced take and look at what the player actually offers in the context of their current team. Otherwise you'll just end up with a thread full of haters with bad takes - like with the Gabriel Jesus thread. 

Fofana-James combo could be great, his pace will allow James a bit more freedom down the right. 

I meant a Fofana > James > Gordon partnership. If Fofana attacks he could be covered by James without any issues and James could play even more aggressively since, from what I’ve understood, Gordon has the pace and discipline to cover up for him. 
 

1 hour ago, coombsie said:

Bro'  You have to remember who his Manager is and that Frank's heart is still in Chelsea. He may have seen something really special in Gordon and mentioned it to his former mates at Chelsea. I know it is a long shot, but there must be more to our pursuit of this kid.

I’m telling you now, he will go right to the very top. Right to the very top. 

11 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Well to be fair why would Lampard shoot himself in the foot... Late August it's not really comfortable to lose a player even if you do sell him for twice his value.

The funny thing is that he probably wouldn't want any of our wingers as a potential trade either but I find it hard to believe that for 50-60m we can't find 2 Brazilian/Argentinian kids that are at the very least equally skilled with the ball and have the pace as Gordon.

You have a point there I watched  a little of Bale's debut for the LA based team and was a little surprised about some of the quality playing there most with hispanic names.

If the media claim is Everton will only sell Gordon with either Broja or Gallagher thrown in as loan options I would say the deal is off.

TT cannot risk throwing in Gallagher and Gallagher having a blinder of a season if we only bump along at the bridge and finish outside top 4. 

On Gordon he was great for Everton last season yet he would appear to play in Mounts current position. 

To be honest we've all got excited by spending a fortune on certain young players from across the continent and most of them have been disappointing.  Virtually all transfers are a risk at least expectations are low.  Reminds me of the time we bought a young Englishman from West Ham back in the day, he was deemed by the fans to be too expensive, didn't score enough goals and had no outstanding attributes.  If I remember correctly Mr Lampard did okay in the end.  What we didn't know is he had a strong mentality to win and improve something that Gordon seems to possess and something that might be more important than flashy skills and a foreign passport.  

20 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

You have a point there I watched  a little of Bale's debut for the LA based team and was a little surprised about some of the quality playing there most with hispanic names.

If the media claim is Everton will only sell Gordon with either Broja or Gallagher thrown in as loan options I would say the deal is off.

TT cannot risk throwing in Gallagher and Gallagher having a blinder of a season if we only bump along at the bridge and finish outside top 4. 

On Gordon he was great for Everton last season yet he would appear to play in Mounts current position. 

I can see the Broja one being favourable though - especially since we're about to sign Aubameyang. We would then have Kai as a rotation option which is where he should be. And it could do Broja wonders to be coached/mentored by Lamps. I guess it all depends on whether he's open to another loan.

Just now, venom2011 said:

I can see the Broja one being favourable though - especially since we're about to sign Aubameyang. We would then have Kai as a rotation option which is where he should be. And it could do Broja wonders to be coached/mentored by Lamps. I guess it all depends on whether he's open to another loan.

Agree if we did sign another forward I could see Broja going yet think we have given up on dealing with Barcelona.

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

I’m telling you now, he will go right to the very top. Right to the very top. 

Channeling your ‘Arry Vibe’

13 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

I can see the Broja one being favourable though - especially since we're about to sign Aubameyang. We would then have Kai as a rotation option which is where he should be. And it could do Broja wonders to be coached/mentored by Lamps. I guess it all depends on whether he's open to another loan.

Sorted, Send Kai on loan, send him up the Mersey, without a paddle.

9 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Agree if we did sign another forward I could see Broja going yet think we have given up on dealing with Barcelona.

I actually think we'll end up with all of the current targets. I believe what's happening now is the club trying to gain negotiating leverage by stalling. It doesn't help us in the slightest to conclude high value targets quickly. Barcelona are pressured to register Kounde and sign Alonso. Leicester have an unhappy player on their books - they'll be weaker for their visit to the bridge. Gordon is Everton's best attacker at the moment and could go the same way as Fofana which they know would be damaging. We have already reached fair value for these targets so best to test their patience.

Broja on loan to Everton? As part of the deal? OR Gallagher? ppppftttt

Anthony Gordon is a TT pick, quick, works hard, strong, full of courage. Conte loves him as well for the same reasons. Can cover as well. And so the view is that . . .He is joining us.
btw - Conte loves him so much that they didn’t bid above a reported £35m for him

So, we are naturally over paying. Because we like to over pay on our deals. For instance, Auba is not wanted at Barca and they have to get rid of him because of their high wages and so forth, and so Chelsea are helping out the Spotify club and offering a large amount of ca$h in the hope of out bidding ourselves, as we are the only club bidding on him, and there are in fact very few clubs in the world that can actually afford his wages. . . .

its not our money right?

it is not our money ---- but we are heading for some serious embarrassment when these expensive non-entities fcuck up . . .I mean I hope I have missed something and that Gordon is the new Pele . . .

Cannot get excited about this transfer one little bit, of course I will support him if he comes,but my god we are scraping the barrel. 

The most underwhelmed I have ever been about a possible transfer.

I'm a tad excited given his metrics off the ball and his ability to take players on, but one look at the price and the excitement is gone. 

Like I said earlier, all this huff and puff in defence and attack, yet the midfield is completely abandoned by Tuchel when its a glaring issue.  He will have to show us why the midfield isn't a priority and why Gordon is being perused over the likes of Neto and Antony.