I believe what those of us who were gutted when Lamps was sacked and replaced with Tuchel were told was along the lines of… get over it, he’s gone now, back the new manager etc. etc. 

 

I’m not having a go but Lamps departure for me was when I decided to stop letting stuff like this upset me. I liked Tuchel, certainly as a person and face of the club (the performances of late less so) but It’s part of who we are, there’s no point in getting attached to managers at Chelsea - they’re never here long. 
 

It was inevitable the new owners would want their own manager, they’ve cleaned house in the rest of the club. The poorest part is it should have been done as soon as the takeover was complete.

 

If Potter comes in, I’ll back him while here but I don’t think he’ll be here longer than 2 years, it’s just not what we do.

6 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

there’s no point in getting attached to managers

I think it's the cult of celebrity getting in the way to be honest. Fuelled probably by Ferguson, Jose and the growth of the internet and social media, the manager suddenly became a "star" and a discussion point as much as the players. 

In the good old days, i.e. the first 25 years of my life as a Chelsea fan, I doubt I was even aware of the manager and his role in things match-to-match. It was all about the players.  I had a Ray Wilkins poster on my bedroom wall ... never one of Eddie McCreadie LOL. I can't recall a single manager I was ever attached to in the 70s, 80s and 90s ... even when the likes of Gullitt, Vialli etc were hired/fired.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Sorry, but I fail to see how Potter is an upgrade on Tuchel in any way shape or form. 

This is absolutely it, talk about expecting a BMX for Christmas and getting a woopee cushion.

I must have missed something, because I didn’t notice Tuchel being the greatest manager to ever walk the Earth. I saw a guy who came in, steadied the ship after Lampard, pulled off a pretty miraculous Champions League win and then settled down to be largely unremarkable. The football has been mostly turgid and results slowly but steadily getting worse. Not sure why Potter or a few others can’t compete with that.

Once a new manager is appointed, I expect everyone will get behind him and we’ll do ok until we don’t and he’ll get the shove and there’ll be more wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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We can argue and debate this for ages. But this is a lovely article about him from 2018 that just makes me want him to do well

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/12/graham-potter-another-path-for-english-managers-ostersund-arsenal-europa-league

 

41 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

If Potter comes in, I’ll back him while here but I don’t think he’ll be here longer than 2 years, it’s just not what we do.

Don't think this model is working out anymore to lead to any league title though - not as long as City is backed and run like they are currently. And the competition seems to get tighter as well, truck loads of money alone isn't enough anymore, not for the league.

That doesn't mean you can't sack a manager anymore, that'd be ridiculous of course. But a club owner running into the locker room every day to talk to the players is a receipt for disaster and will sooner than later cause trouble for every manager, and if said manager gets fired sooner than later once trouble appears it's a viscious circle and not the "that's how football works" routine.

I like Potter, seems a thoughtful bloke and a hard worker. 

This is not the right time for him though. He comes here he is set up to fail. We are not a team and the owners are not sure what on earth they are doing. 

On the way back home from the Southampton debacle last Tuesday it was obvious at that point to me and Mrs T that TT had to go.

The team had been poorly prepared the selection made no sense.

Fast forward to Saturday and you could see that the team were desperate for new ideas but no kept playing across the park and then back again slow boring predictable almost Italian football.

Last night really was just a repeat and those two three kicks in stoppage time showed no invention planning or indeed thought. Three players over the ball space wide on our right even if not played wide putting one into the space would  have created a little doubt in the defenders mind but no let’s just bang the ball into the wall.

I thank TT for delivering the CL but he wasn’t the owners man and it seems that Potters CV fits with the profile that the Americans are wanting and let’s not be naive he was on borrowed time once the ownership changed

6 minutes ago, weetee said:

Don't think this model is working out anymore to lead to any league title though - not as long as City is backed and run like they are currently. And the competition seems to get tighter as well, truck loads of money alone isn't enough anymore, not for the league.

That doesn't mean you can't sack a manager anymore, that'd be ridiculous of course. But a club owner running into the locker room every day to talk to the players is a receipt for disaster and will sooner than later cause trouble for every manager, and if said manager gets fired sooner than later once trouble appears it's a viscious circle and not the "that's how football works" routine.

I’m by no means saying it’s the right way to do things but it’s the chelsea way regardless of what we think. In all honesty, I don’t think it matters what we do or who we hire. We are not laying a glove on City’s league dominance, with the organisation, money and manager they have.

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

even if it doesn't work out het will get a 8 million pound send off and being sacked by Chelsea isn't really a blemish on your CV as it is inevitable 

Its the best job in football. Guaranteed major payout with no negative impact on your CV. Ranieri always said the best situation for him was when Chelsea sacked him, it set him up financially for life.

58 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think it's the cult of celebrity getting in the way to be honest. Fuelled probably by Ferguson, Jose and the growth of the internet and social media, the manager suddenly became a "star" and a discussion point as much as the players. 

In the good old days, i.e. the first 25 years of my life as a Chelsea fan, I doubt I was even aware of the manager and his role in things match-to-match. It was all about the players.  I had a Ray Wilkins poster on my bedroom wall ... never one of Eddie McCreadie LOL. I can't recall a single manager I was ever attached to in the 70s, 80s and 90s ... even when the likes of Gullitt, Vialli etc were hired/fired.

What NO Charlie Cooke poster....gutted 😔

Done deal then:

 

Welcome Mr. Potter. Think you have made a big mistake but at least it will set you up for life.

I wonder how a recruitment anylist will work with a director of football, and what he will make of Todd's recruitment.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

I wonder how a recruitment anylist will work with a director of football, and what he will make of Todd's recruitment.

Probably work hand in hand with the DoF. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Probably work hand in hand with the DoF. 

So long as they get along, and the DOF likes him and the manager.

Silver lining is it looks like he might be in charge for Foolham, agree terms today, pay Seagulls off tomorrow, Potter takes training on Friday !

27 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I’m by no means saying it’s the right way to do things but it’s the chelsea way regardless of what we think. In all honesty, I don’t think it matters what we do or who we hire. We are not laying a glove on City’s league dominance, with the organisation, money and manager they have.

I know you didn't advocate this - just pointing out that the Roman way, imho, isn't going to win  aleague title here and there - the one but very strong argument that gave his erratic approach some sense.

Not sure I'd agree with the last point though. City won't chew out 90+ points campaigns every single year but the one off season they get only 80+ points you gotta be there. Even this season: let Haaland and 1-2 other key players get heavily injured in a couple of weeks and let's see how they cope with that. Stuff like that can always happen. But within the current league with a lot of hard to beat sides and about 6 teams that battle for the CL spots, Newcastle looming around, etc.pp. you won't do well with a short termish approach. Maybe they want Potter to build this squad and give him time: it's still so utterly stupid to waste that much time/money/energy before and even if he'd come now: he'd have no pre-season, no transfers, no time to train since there's a game every other day + a lot of pressure to deliver right away.

 

edit: ninja'd by reality. Good luck to Potter I guess.

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7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I wonder how a recruitment anylist will work with a director of football, and what he will make of Todd's recruitment.

A recruitment anylist for Brighton is a very different role to that of one for Chelsea.

At Brighton you’re looking for a rough diamond to polish & sell, at Chelsea you’re looking for a 50 carat diamond that will be the sparkle in your crown.

Almost a here we go! ?

 

 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think it's the cult of celebrity getting in the way to be honest. Fuelled probably by Ferguson, Jose and the growth of the internet and social media, the manager suddenly became a "star" and a discussion point as much as the players. 

In the good old days, i.e. the first 25 years of my life as a Chelsea fan, I doubt I was even aware of the manager and his role in things match-to-match. It was all about the players.  I had a Ray Wilkins poster on my bedroom wall ... never one of Eddie McCreadie LOL. I can't recall a single manager I was ever attached to in the 70s, 80s and 90s ... even when the likes of Gullitt, Vialli etc were hired/fired.

Its funny you say that becuase i pretty much agree although with this particular example, i do remember being pi$$ed off at Mears for sacking McCreadie over a compnay car just at the tiem that we had such a young exciting team coming together.

And another sauce:

 

 

Person I feel the worst for in all this is @HazardousChoice. I reckon he was really hoping for Mark Pulisic...

Just now, axman2526 said:

Person I feel the worst for in all this is @HazardousChoice. I reckon he was really hoping for Mark Pulisic...

I actually was!

Because I'm 100% certain if the pressure was on and his job was on the line he'd bench his son as well.

1 minute ago, HazardousChoice said:

I actually was!

Because I'm 100% certain if the pressure was on and his job was on the line he'd bench his son as well.

We've got super Graham Potter ...

Oh good, the required number of syllables.