Food for thought.

10 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

 Food for thought.

It is a fair question. Some of the blame is on Poch, a lot is on the owners.

It is also fair to ask is it Pochettinos responsibility to put the ball in the Net? Or are Jackson, Sterling (twice) and Chilwell responsible for not taking simple chances?

41 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

 

 Food for thought.

More like scraps. It cannot be that hard to come up with a few reasons as to why it would take a new manager, with a newly assembled team full of inexperienced players playing in key positions, a bit longer to relay his ideas. This after a disrupted preseason and at least 5 starters injured. Just look at the difference between the benches of Spurs and us yesterday.

Let's also be clear that over the 6 games we've played some decent stuff, but certainly nowhere near complete performances. We beat Spurs in most metrics. It's no coincidence that our best performance came early on, outperforming the team currently sitting second, when Poch had more players at his disposal.

Why would anyone even consider that Ange, hell even Pep, would have done any better. And if anyone thinks Pep would be giving Mudryk a sniff, and play everyone in their best positions at the expense of his philosophy...  

 

 

 

6 hours ago, big blue said:

There has to be a tipping point where they have to bring some players for the now. I'm not asking for balon D'or contenders, but surely there are players under 26/27 that can elevate the team immediately. We need another smart Nkunku type signing or 2.

Or as I have also mentioned pay the money for an older players and swallow an overall financial loss over time for quality and leadership on the pitch.

6 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Newcastle and brighton have better attacker than we do. 

 

 

What a patently obvious post. Brighton also have a better defence than we have. Lewis Dunk is better accustomed to playing in the Premier league than any of our defenders. Tottenham are streets ahead of us as a team with inferior players and apparently an inferior manager. 

There are countless players and managers this arrogant, self important hierarchy would never go for that are measurably better than what we have and they have proven it. Michael Antonio has proven he is a better attacker in this league than anyone we have, but he's too old so he don't count.

Can't judge him with half the team injured.

People underestimate how big of a loss Nkunku and James are. And then also Carney, Fofana etc

25 minutes ago, I am a CPA said:

Can't judge him with half the team injured.

People underestimate how big of a loss Nkunku and James are. And then also Carney, Fofana etc

This is non-sense. James is constantly injured. We knew this going into the season. He simply can`t stay fit. His career is over unless he drastically loses weight and works with different fitness/medial experts that can fix his legs. Our current medical team is clueless. Fofana has not stayed fit for more than a few games either in recent seasons. I would not count on him either. Carney had one goal and that`s about it, now he is suddenly the missing piece of the puzzle.

Nkunku coming back is not going to fix the entire team.

Badiashile should not even be needed when you have Disasi, Silva and Colwill ready.

Lavia is not needed either with Enzo and Caicedo as the double pivot.

Broja, Bettinelli and Chalobah are squad players. Not starters. 

26 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

What a patently obvious post. Brighton also have a better defence than we have. Lewis Dunk is better accustomed to playing in the Premier league than any of our defenders. Tottenham are streets ahead of us as a team with inferior players and apparently an inferior manager. 

There are countless players and managers this arrogant, self important hierarchy would never go for that are measurably better than what we have and they have proven it. Michael Antonio has proven he is a better attacker in this league than anyone we have, but he's too old so he don't count.

Poch is fine. It is not the time to be worried about our manager. 

Our biggest problem is that having this many raw player in rotation is too much for any PL team let alone a "top" team like Chelsea. 

 

People keep banging on about experience, and yet who made the key mistakes last weekend ? Our most experienced players. Sterling and Chilwell miss the easy chances and Silva's poor decision-making ultimately costs us the goal.

 

I don't get why Chilwell doesn't start every game. IMO he is has been one of the best players when given playing time. 

10 minutes ago, JPH said:

I don't get why Chilwell doesn't start every game. IMO he is has been one of the best players when given playing time. 

That’s not true, he’s been really poor this season, he made a couple of chances yesterday by pushing forward down the wing, nothing special, he gets outmuscled a lot, not scapegoating him but he is one of our experienced players.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

That’s not true, he’s been really poor this season, he made a couple of chances yesterday by pushing forward down the wing, nothing special, he gets outmuscled a lot, not scapegoating him but he is one of our experienced players.

Apart from that 7 game spell in 21/22 before he got injured, when he scored 3 goals, Chilwell has been fairly average in all honesty. He's also been chronically unreliable in terms of his availability - just 57 league appearances over his first 3 seasons with us.

A bit of faith in Cucurella and we might see the Brighton version of him that made us part with such a huge fee. 

Can't see Maatsen being the answer if he was defensively suspect in the Championship. Certainly Pochettino hasn't trusted him much so far, despite all the praise in pre-season.

 

I see some saying Poch will be sacked by Feb/March then what??

We start from scratch again and have the same problem!!!

When will some fans learn !!

4 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I see some saying Poch will be sacked by Feb/March then what??

We start from scratch again and have the same problem!!!

When will some fans learn !!

Agreed , with all the sh*t going we need some type of stability oh and by the way who's available that would be better ? No smart arse answers please

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Poch is fine. It is not the time to be worried about our manager. 

Our biggest problem is that having this many raw player in rotation is too much for any PL team let alone a "top" team like Chelsea. 

 

But Bob, all you are doing is reposting comments that most of us have been putting on here for months and months. It doesn't matter if its Poch ,Potter, Lampard, Klopp or Guardiola, this issue is more fundamental. Its a basic lack of understanding of the strength, both phyiscal and mental of seasoned professionals over bright youngsters that the Football Manager hierarchy of this club just cannot fathom.

Both Winstanley and Stewart, working to Boehly and Eghbali's model have made a disastrous and potential catastrophic miscalculation of the difference between a strategy for american baseball and one for professional football. Yes this might ultimately work, although it remains questionable, but even if it does this is going to cost Clearlake billions due to their own incompetence. At this stage the footballers, manager, formation and style of play is no longer the primary concern. With just a January window 3 months away and every club again knowing we are desparate, we need to ensure taht we have enough quality in the club to keep us in this division.

1 hour ago, I am a CPA said:

Can't judge him with half the team injured.

People underestimate how big of a loss Nkunku and James are. And then also Carney, Fofana etc

I agree he needs time but this excuse is just silly. 

He does not need to have Nkunku and James to win games against Burnley and Bournemouth. 

3 hours ago, venom2011 said:

More like scraps. It cannot be that hard to come up with a few reasons as to why it would take a new manager, with a newly assembled team full of inexperienced players playing in key positions, a bit longer to relay his ideas. This after a disrupted preseason and at least 5 starters injured. Just look at the difference between the benches of Spurs and us yesterday.

Let's also be clear that over the 6 games we've played some decent stuff, but certainly nowhere near complete performances. We beat Spurs in most metrics. It's no coincidence that our best performance came early on, outperforming the team currently sitting second, when Poch had more players at his disposal.

Why would anyone even consider that Ange, hell even Pep, would have done any better. And if anyone thinks Pep would be giving Mudryk a sniff, and play everyone in their best positions at the expense of his philosophy...  

 

 

 

You don't think the likes of Ange, Pep or even Enrique would have more than 5 points at this stage of the season? At the very least we would look much more in control of games and give up less chances for the opponents to score.  

2 hours ago, I am a CPA said:

Can't judge him with half the team injured.

People underestimate how big of a loss Nkunku and James are. And then also Carney, Fofana etc

The point here is that Poch, other than his formation isn't really involved in this. This is about 11 blokes stood on a pitch competing against their opposite numbers. Collectively we need to play a style and manner that gets us results. Regardless of who is on the pitch at the time. You cannot be publicly stating that the squad is bursting at the seems and then you can't put a team out to be Forest, Bournemouth.

I don't like the positions that he is putting some players in because it is unnecessary and he is offering himself up for criticism whilst it continually fails to work, but I don't think this is that much a Poch issue. REgardless of our injury list (which is a thing, i acknowledge) Nicolas Jackson should be good enough to not be owned by a Champ level footballer like Joe Worrall, for example. If not then we should have bought a striker that is better, regardless of the age, the cost, the Football Manager rating and all that pish.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

People keep banging on about experience, and yet who made the key mistakes last weekend ? Our most experienced players. Sterling and Chilwell miss the easy chances and Silva's poor decision-making ultimately costs us the goal.

 

It coumpounds teh issue, that our only experienced players (Silva excepted) both have seriosu doubts about their qualitry. Sterlign has been inconsitent and polarised opinion throughout his career and Chilwell, whilst i like him as a LB exhibits soem of the worst decision making traits i can remember seeing in a player. Furthermore he always seems fragile both physically and mentally when beign in the position we are in. 

Poch looks lost, like the PL has moved on, and he’s treading water like back in his Spurs days, the team Boehly has assembled, is a complete clusterf**k of inexperience, but 5 points Poch, see ya mate, he’d be let go in most walks of life, and sacked for lack of performance related end product, absolutely shocking!!!!!

Yes A Lot Of Blame Needs To Be Put At The Owners And How They've Run Us Since Taking Over, But Poch Has To Take A Lot Of Blame Too, He Can't Be This Blinded And Playing Players Out Of Position And Shoehorning Other Players In

We Can All Tell Certain Things Ain't Working At All, Yet Poch Keeps With It And It's Setting Us Back Even Further, Granted I Haven't Rated Poch Very Highly But He Can't Be So Blinded That The Obvious Problems Aren't Being Looked At Even When He Brings Subs On

1 hour ago, coco said:

That’s not true, he’s been really poor this season, he made a couple of chances yesterday by pushing forward down the wing, nothing special, he gets outmuscled a lot, not scapegoating him but he is one of our experienced players.

How can you say he was poor when he was obviously played out of position for most of the minutes he got?

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

What a patently obvious post. Brighton also have a better defence than we have. Lewis Dunk is better accustomed to playing in the Premier league than any of our defenders. Tottenham are streets ahead of us as a team with inferior players and apparently an inferior manager. 

There are countless players and managers this arrogant, self important hierarchy would never go for that are measurably better than what we have and they have proven it. Michael Antonio has proven he is a better attacker in this league than anyone we have, but he's too old so he don't count.

Would you care to name a few of these countless managers that are gettable and proven better than Poch with a young squad?

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

You don't think the likes of Ange, Pep or even Enrique would have more than 5 points at this stage of the season? At the very least we would look much more in control of games and give up less chances for the opponents to score.  

Not at all. Pep had struggles initially with a city team that had Aguero, KDB and Yaya Toure. Klopp struggled with a Liverpool squad littered with experience. Imagine still that they'd lost 12 players, 5 of them starters. Why would you think these would fair any better with this group? We are actually very much in control of most of our games, give away few chances, and our metrics back this up.

I won't lie and say I'm not fuming at the results and efforts in the final third. But generally I'm happy with what I'm seeing ***given the state of the squad. I will not judge Poch critically until I've seen him after some time and with a squad near its peak condition. i.e. the exact same that was said of Pep, Klopp and Arteta.

I actually have a somewhat similar situation with my own team. We lost 10/14 players last year, including all the best ones, and have cobbled together a whole new team. We also haven't scored yet in 3 games, and are losing every game. It takes a lot of time for players to get used to playing together, to learn who is likely to do what, to learn to communicate well. Of course this shouldn't take anywhere near as long for professional players, but the general situation is the same. As much as it pisses me off and I hate this new ownership and don't really like Pochetinno or what he's doing so far, you need a good few months before you can start to really see players gelling.