7 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

No chance for an experienced manager, especially return of Tuchel, would be an admission of guilt and these owners won't have any of that. They just want someone coaches the team and leave all the decision makings to them, a head coach not a manager. I'm sure there are takers out there, would someone like Mckenna risk it before he gets a real feel of the PL? I doubt it, although in football anything could happen. Poch is probably the favorite to get the Bayen job, at least he never got relegated like the Burnley manager.

I don't think it's quite like that. They're American businessmen. They don't want someone to coach and not get involved.  They want someone to agree with them on everything. So they want their transfer decisions to be agreed with unquestionably especially outward sales.

I am convinced this all centres around the sales of Gallagher and Chalobah and Poch not wanting them periodically dismantling parts of the team in order to cover the costs of some of the crap decisions from the idiots Winstanley and Stewart.

Edited May 22, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

It is so easy to just remember the last two and a half months, 5 wins and a draw after the absolute sh*te show in January & February. At that stage I was very much "Poch OUT" and I have got what I wished for. Wind the clock forward three months and I was now "Poch IN" and I realise that comes across as fickle. So taking a hard look at the Season as a whole, 6th place, European qualification, losers in the Carabao and an FA Cup semi final. Good enough ??  No probably not for Chelsea.

I think that the main reasons for Poch not working out are his demand for a large say in transfers, openly railing against the likelihood of Gallagher &  Chalobah being sold, Our crippling injury list being associated with Poch's "antiquated" training methods and his poor in game management & tactics, which we have ALL questioned on here.

So, although I would have given him another Season (at least) I'm not surprised or sad that he has gone. The real hard work for the Club is now finding that "young" Coach (forget Manager) who ticks all the boxes, but with their shocking record of mistakes, I do not have much faith in Stewart, Winstanley and Egbhali, coming even close to succeeding 😞😞

Hoping McKenna doesn't take the job for his own sake. Seems like a good young manager and I think the Chelsea job and the club's expectations would be a bit much for him. Good luck to the guy with Ipswich and I'm sure whatever he achieves with them in the Prem will be good for his future. Let's not forget Graham Potter. Good manager with Brighton, in over his head at Chelsea. Where is he now? We need someone with good experience in taking us back to where the club needs to be.

No manager is going to go into a new season with his contract running out. He would get asked questions about his job security every press conference he attends, players might also not be committed knowing he might be leaving and the press would have a field day linking everyone to his job. Tuchel walked away from the Bayern role in similar circumstances.

Gallagher has looked a different player next to Caicedo in a deeper role, and I am not convinced a fit Enzo works in a 2 with Caicedo. IMO Chalobah is a clear upgrade on their 2 signings in defence; Badiashile & Disasi. Selling either of the two will be ridiculous.

Just checked online- started supporting club as a nipper in early 70s when Dave Sexton…the next manager will be the 38th appointment including interims- had to double check- quite staggering 

I'm not bothered about him going. He never fitted in at Chelsea given his background and the fans never took to him. Whatever the injury situation this season we have under achieved.  He'll walk away with his pockets stuffed with gold and I won't lose a moment's sleep over it. I don't care if he does win things at his next club. He wasn't the right man at ours.  

6 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

 

• 9 wins out of last 18 games - 5 of which were narrow wins from compromising a strong position

 

This puts the "4th best in the league since blah blah" argument into perspective doesnt it. 50% win rate, only 3 or 4 of them we actually played really well. In amongst this was pathetically throwing away the cup final, scraping past an injury hit Boro (after being out managed in the first game, when they lost 2 defenders in the first 20), 

We were one of the best of a bad bunch, clubs sh*t the bed more than us, thats it. I get recency bias is a thing, but we havent "turned the corner" at all, we were still seeing the same massive failings throughout the team. I honestly couldnt see anything other than more abject failure under him next season, he had nearly a full season to sort out he midfield and defensive frailties, and only sort of fixed the midfield due to losing a player to injury.

There is absolutely no doubt that since Christmas things clearly improved . That needs to be put there but as they say the league table doesn’t lie but let’s face it we all know what we have witnessed over the last season and that’s what my focus is rather than just half a season

Some will say that’s down to the coach and  maybe that’s correct but I have watched game after game and for the majority of those games it’s been down to the brilliance of the likes of Palmer the fact remains that in most games we were either shipping goals or allowing opponents to create chance after chance the goals agains column doesn’t lie.

Of course there have been games where we have been close to faultless games like Everton and Spurs but for me some of the players look as if they haven’t been coached or shall I say haven’t been prepared properly. Look at our record when it came  to defending corners or when we turnover an attack in the latter it seemed like the charge of the light brigade most  players seemingly wanting to occupy the same space whereas dummy runs  wide would have created angles and confused defenders.

The rumour I heard the idea of inverting fullbacks wasn’t planned it happened on the pitch. 

We do get into what if territory when it comes to injuries but even on Sunday when we were without just four through injury and at times we were miles better but as the second half wore on the changes made from a strong bench had little impact. Ok the midweek game was a factor but sorry they tweaked things we could easily have lost that game.

What we have to accept that the days of the head coach making final decisions when it comes to incomings or outgoings is a thing of the past. It’s far more complex than looking at a player in a match nowadays data analytics is key as is a deep dive into the player’s background and that’s even before the money men come in and look nit what the club can afford but how that will impact not just in year one but going forward factoring in known regulations and likely changes.

What I do believe is that Poch clearly wanted more control and of course he should have been included in the process but some of his interviews say a month ago weren’t in terms of tone from someone that was comfortable with their remit he could and should have worked within the parameters set by the owners who clearly believe that implementation of the ambition is a team effort not just on the pitch but also senior executives and in that I include the HC.

Am I sorry to see him go ? No .I think we got into 6th position despite him and not because of him. Like any end of period review there has to be honesty and the only one that was talking about him leaving was Poch himself he clearly was doing so for impact .

Of course players are going to be sold that’s the nature of football but in defence of the owners they took over a basket case of a business plan and yes they have made mistakes some big ones but by and large the players in the squad are full of youth, ability and hopefully ambition some will need to be moved on to free up both funds and space for incomings even when a club wins a trophy supporters favourites leave. 
 

Connor clearly wants a bigger contract than the club are prepared to offer. He has had a brilliant season but that all pales into insignificance if the numbers don’t agree similarly look at Trevh he of course has had an excellent end of the season but as I said to my wife in Sunday there is something in his play that concerns me and yes he is a decent player but I don’t see a top player in him just like Kurt Zouma blood and thunder but sorry they lack something and no I don’t think there are many in our CD stock that have that class so probably alongside Silva ( he clearly had that X factor) will not be at Chelsea next season.

 

27 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Just checked online- started supporting club as a nipper in early 70s when Dave Sexton…the next manager will be the 38th appointment including interims- had to double check- quite staggering 

That’s  less than Real Madrid on 42 and one of those was in post for 14 years 

Some gossip here:

Mauricio Pochettino believed that his way is best. He was never going to listen to suggestions that he could ease Chelsea’s injury problems by reviewing and altering training methods that one figure at the club privately described as “antiquated” last week. (via @JacobSteinberg)

Mauricio Pochettino wanted experienced signings last year and this summer. He disagrees with plans to sell 2 of his most important players at Chelsea, Trevoh Chalobah and Conor Gallagher, because of Profit and Sustainability concerns. (via @JacobSteinberg)

On Tuesday night, @MailSport spoke to the representative of one Chelsea star who described his client as devastated by the departure. The turnover of coaches has led to at least one player pondering if this is what he signed up for. (via @kierangill_DM)

From a players’ perspective, they insisted up until the very end that they believed in Mauricio Pochettino, one even making that point to journalists while stood pitch-side after completing the lap of appreciation following Chelsea’s win over Bournemouth. (via @kierangill_DM)

The news of Tuesday night will not lead to celebrations from the majority of the Chelsea squad, some of whom have branded Pochettino the ‘best’ man-manager they have ever encountered. (via @kierangill_DM)

Many of Pochettino’s sessions focused on fitness, which led to accusations that he was contributing to their crippling injury list. He disputed that, citing that he had never even got the chance to train with £58million summer signing Romeo Lavia. (via @kierangill_DM)

Mauricio Pochettino requested he should be allowed a greater say in signings. He called for the targeting of experience – an approach at odds with Chelsea’s strategy to sweep up the game’s most glittering starlets. (via @kierangill_DM)

During 2 days of talks with the club’s hierarchy on Monday and Tuesday, Mauricio Pochettino said he was not happy with only having a single year remaining on his contract. 

It was suggested that they should commit to allowing him an additional year on top of that so he could enter the next campaign with 'stability and security’. That was turned down.

(via @kierangill_DM)

Ok, so he's gone. I have been thinking about this and, while I'm not sorry to see him go I'm concerned in a couple of aspects as well.

I'm not sorry for the following reasons:

1) Wolves at home; horrid, horrid game that made me jump from the fence where I had stood since the beginning of the season; Arsenal away, it was embarrassing and as an away fan one of the worse days of my life.

2) I'm grateful for the last 5 games, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend that every last game was a dominant performance, because they weren't except for the good second half at Villa, the Spurs game and, though the Spammers had their chances to make it difficult for us, I enjoyed that game too and I thought that we played well.

3) I still didn't see much of a tactical pattern in the team, it was all too freestyle, which is fine when you have Palmer but I'm not convinced it works for other players. We are also diabolical defending, especially at set pieces. Also, this lack of structure could affect the development of young players as they could get bad habits by not learning how to play with your team mates within a structure team. It looked at times as if we were watching kids playing football in the schoolyard.

4) He never, ever made an attempt to earn the fans support or to connect with us. I'm not looking for a Tuchel or Conte type of personality, but acknowledge the fans (home and away) by walking on to the pitch and applaud them after a game now and then. He never got it, maybe it's his Spurs past. He was, after all, the coach that set up the Spurs team to attempt to injure our players in the so-called battle of the Bridge.

5) That final against Liverpool we should have won it. He should have gone for the kill and he didn't.

6) Injury record. I'm still not convinced that our players are breaking just because of Cobham training ground or the medical staff. There's to be something in the training that is making them relapse and/or break. We will see next season, I hope that I'm right and it was Pochettino's method because then we can enjoy a fully fit team.

I am concerned about his departure for these two main reasons:

1) He has the players support and it was obvious by the end that players were keen on him. I'm concerned that having sacked him is going to affect them in a bad way.

2) Who are the owners going to bring to substitute him? So far, evidence doesn't fill me with much confidence that they'll make the right choice. There are also not that many world class coaches available. I'm not sure about Tuchel, and I don't think De Zerbi or Amorim are going to be improvements. Someone I wouldn't have minded is Emery, or the Crystal Palace one, Glasner, who have made a real difference in their teams in a short period of time. Michel at Girona or the Stuttgart coach have had very good seasons as well, but in different leagues to the PL and would prefer if they did show it more than one season.

54 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Some gossip here:

Mauricio Pochettino believed that his way is best. He was never going to listen to suggestions that he could ease Chelsea’s injury problems by reviewing and altering training methods that one figure at the club privately described as “antiquated” last week. (via @JacobSteinberg)

Mauricio Pochettino wanted experienced signings last year and this summer. He disagrees with plans to sell 2 of his most important players at Chelsea, Trevoh Chalobah and Conor Gallagher, because of Profit and Sustainability concerns. (via @JacobSteinberg)

On Tuesday night, @MailSport spoke to the representative of one Chelsea star who described his client as devastated by the departure. The turnover of coaches has led to at least one player pondering if this is what he signed up for. (via @kierangill_DM)

From a players’ perspective, they insisted up until the very end that they believed in Mauricio Pochettino, one even making that point to journalists while stood pitch-side after completing the lap of appreciation following Chelsea’s win over Bournemouth. (via @kierangill_DM)

The news of Tuesday night will not lead to celebrations from the majority of the Chelsea squad, some of whom have branded Pochettino the ‘best’ man-manager they have ever encountered. (via @kierangill_DM)

Many of Pochettino’s sessions focused on fitness, which led to accusations that he was contributing to their crippling injury list. He disputed that, citing that he had never even got the chance to train with £58million summer signing Romeo Lavia. (via @kierangill_DM)

Mauricio Pochettino requested he should be allowed a greater say in signings. He called for the targeting of experience – an approach at odds with Chelsea’s strategy to sweep up the game’s most glittering starlets. (via @kierangill_DM)

During 2 days of talks with the club’s hierarchy on Monday and Tuesday, Mauricio Pochettino said he was not happy with only having a single year remaining on his contract. 

It was suggested that they should commit to allowing him an additional year on top of that so he could enter the next campaign with 'stability and security’. That was turned down.

(via @kierangill_DM)

I posted before and I will post it again these players will down tools at the first opportunity possible. They really fought for Poch, enjoyed playing and working with him but the 🤡🤡 in charge think they know better.

I expect us to not finish on the top 6 spots next season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/21/mauricio-pochettino-paid-the-price-of-rocking-todd-boehlys-boat-at-chelsea
 

This article is interesting. Basically makes the point that the most successful clubs build AROUND their managers. The new owners seem to want the manager to fit into THEIR plans. 

Undeniable improvement from Pochettino ... 

 

Eghbali is fast becoming a bit of a problem child in my book ... 

Man City spent half a decade preparing the club for Pep to arrive. They structured everything around what would work for him - facilities, staff, transfers. Liverpool the same; build a team around a coach, build your club around a strong managerial ethos and personality and you will be rewarded.

Chelsea somehow have done the absolute opposite. They keep trying to force managers into their structure. They spend a billion on random young players and then expect a coach to not only turn these raw talents into a competing team, but to do it as some sort of subservient entity - coach our team, build our club, but make sure you don't put any of yourself into it.

There may be method in their madness, but I simply can't see it. Every successful team in history has been shaped by their coach, not in spite of him - backroom staff are there to supplement not to lead.

“Apparently the players are not happy “ 
 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/05/22/chelsea-whatsapp-players-pochettino-palmer-jackson/

Just now, JM7 said:

Man City spent half a decade preparing the club for Pep to arrive. They structured everything around what would work for him - facilities, staff, transfers. Liverpool the same; build a team around a coach, build your club around a strong managerial ethos and personality and you will be rewarded.

Chelsea somehow have done the absolute opposite. They keep trying to force managers into their structure. They spend a billion on random young players and then expect a coach to not only turn these raw talents into a competing team, but to do it as some sort of subservient entity - coach our team, build our club, but make sure you don't put any of yourself into it.

There may be method in their madness, but I simply can't see it. Every successful team in history has been shaped by their coach, not in spite of him - backroom staff are there to supplement not to lead.

No Elite manager touches this disaster, NONE!!

On 16/05/2024 at 00:46, Jezz said:

 

We reached 60 points 😎

Well Back Then We Played Like Utter sh*te, And I Was Wrong So I'll Glady Admit I Was Wrong With What I Said

Shocking timing.

I was very unhappy with Poch for 90 percent of the season but towards the end we stumbled upon something that worked and Caicedo, Gallagher, Chalobah, Cucurella, Madueke, Palmer and many others were shining. The team pulled together and rallied around the manager and we clinched 6th through impressive performances for the last month or two giving supporters some genuine hope there is something to build on for next season.

To now rip that up completely and start from scratch again is absolutely mindboggling. It would be one thing if there was some kind of star manager available that were eager to take the job on but we are talking Thomas Frank, Maresca, Kompany and McKenna. Not exactly inspiring names and whoever we appoint will have an uphill battle on his hands as the entire squad wanted Poch to stay and not have another "young and exciting" manager like Potter to guide them. Shambles.

Edited May 22, 20242 yr by OriginalS

I Personally Don't Think I'm Shocked By Poch Being Sacked/"Mutual Consent", How Many Of Us Were Wanting Poch Sacked A Few Months Ago When We Was Playing w**k And Losing/Drawing Games We Should Of Been Winning, Yes Granted He Finally Changed System To Compliment Our Team But We'd All Been Saying To Change The System For A Few Months Beforehand, He Only Avoided The Sack Because Our Owners Were Waiting Until The End Of Season To Do It Despite How We Ended The Season

Some Names Being Thrown Around Actually Scare Me In The Direction We Are Meant To Be Going, Granted The Owners Are f**king Useless, Stop With The Loving Of Anything Brighton

27 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Man City spent half a decade preparing the club for Pep to arrive. They structured everything around what would work for him - facilities, staff, transfers. Liverpool the same; build a team around a coach, build your club around a strong managerial ethos and personality and you will be rewarded.

Chelsea somehow have done the absolute opposite. They keep trying to force managers into their structure. They spend a billion on random young players and then expect a coach to not only turn these raw talents into a competing team, but to do it as some sort of subservient entity - coach our team, build our club, but make sure you don't put any of yourself into it.

There may be method in their madness, but I simply can't see it. Every successful team in history has been shaped by their coach, not in spite of him - backroom staff are there to supplement not to lead.

The approach from City you detail is great but and here’s the big but very few clubs in football operate in that way and dare I say I suspect Pep would have made it work irrespective.

Utd are a classic example of what happens to a club when you see a long term incumbent, a successful one at that , leave . 
 

I pointed out earlier that Real have had far mor3 head coaches than us over the past 20 years. Bayern in Germany don’t allow a head coach to dictate the staff in the background make key structure decisions the head coach works with the players he is given in a way it’s what happened under RA . 
 

Sorry but I think you are totally wrong when you suggest that background staff are there to supplement its far more complicated than that.

I think at this moment De Zerbi must be the front runner, Poch could end up at Utd.............

 

31 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

I think at this moment De Zerbi must be the front runner, Poch could end up at Utd.............

 

I'm pretty certain de zerbi already has the job and everything is just smoke and mirrors now 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

I'm pretty certain de zerbi already has the job and everything is just smoke and mirrors now 

That is my fear. And I really can't see myself getting behind the little rat faced f**ker.

Just so fed up with what we have become. Never mind the rights & wrongs of parting ways with Pochettino. All other teams & their supporters are laughing at us as we are a f**king circus. We are Watford but with a few more trophies.