3 hours ago, evissy said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/26/chelsea-prepare-offer-new-100000-a-week-contract-striker-tammy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I think it is fair but is the timing right? Lets see 10 goals from him and think about then? 3 years of contract left and the boy is not short for Cash as it is. Not sure if this is healthy.

If this takes anywhere near as long as CHO's contract, he'll be a 25 goal scorer by the time he signs.

Danny Drinkwater signed a 5 year / £26,000,000 contract with the Chelsea F.C., including an annual average salary of £5,200,000. In 2019, Drinkwater will earn a base salary of £5,200,000, while carrying a cap hit of £5,200,000.

CONTRACT:5 yr(s) / £26,000,000    SIGNING BONUS-    AVERAGE SALARY£5,200,000    TRANSFER FEE£34,110,000    FREE AGENT:2022 / UFA
YEAR         AGE    WEEKLY SALARY    ANNUAL SALARY    SIGNING BONUS    INCENTIVE    TOTAL SALARY
2017-18        27    £100,000    £5,200,000    -    -    £5,200,000
2018-19        28    £100,000    £5,200,000    -    -    £5,200,000
2019-20         29    £100,000    £5,200,000    -    -    £5,200,000
2020-21        30    £100,000    £5,200,000    -    -    £5,200,000
2021-22        31    £100,000    £5,200,000    -    -    £5,200,000

14 hours ago, sonic90 said:

If he has a good season and ends up scoring 15+ goals he can demand much more, I reckon even 10 goals and he'll be compared to another young English striker like Rashford and get £200k.

This is maybe what the club are thinking, get him tied down now and it gives us a couple of years breathing room even if he smashes in 25 goals this year. If we leave it to the summer and he’s bagged that - suddenly we’re paying him double. Good move to get all the young guys tied down before they get their breakout seasons!

On 26/08/2019 at 13:23, sonic90 said:

If he has a good season and ends up scoring 15+ goals he can demand much more, I reckon even 10 goals and he'll be compared to another young English striker like Rashford and get £200k.

I know it is off-subject, but I am just not sure if Rashford is all that good. He is undoubtedly a nice scorer, but his dribbling needs work, he does not pass, and I am not sure if he is strong enough to play his style and that centrally. 

I would rather take Tammy's potential over Rashford's. Either way, it is nice that England is producing some nice strikers.

7 hours ago, jking948 said:

I know it is off-subject, but I am just not sure if Rashford is all that good. He is undoubtedly a nice scorer, but his dribbling needs work, he does not pass, and I am not sure if he is strong enough to play his style and that centrally. 

I would rather take Tammy's potential over Rashford's. Either way, it is nice that England is producing some nice strikers.

I disagree. Rashford's ceiling is higher, he's much more naturally talented. He may not ever reach that ceiling, as Lukaku has also not reached his, but he has the raw skilks/talent to carry on scoring. Tammy must learn the nuances of being a forward, and he is currently, if he is going to reach star status. 

The goals last weekend were nice but it remains to he seen if he can repeat. He doesn't have the pace or agility Rashford can call on. 

It's early doors to be able to judge Tammy just yet, he has potential for sure.

I'm also not convinced by Rashford, he has skill yet falls down in some areas. Possibly with such a high manager turnover in a short time he did not get quality coaching.

I have no idea if Tammy will be good enough to be our front-line striker for years to come. What I do know however is that people have written him off prematurely, not just this season but for last season and the season before that as well. I have argued with these people, not because I necessarily believe Tammy will make it but because I know it's far too early to tell. He's 21. He has an incredible record in the Championship and he was prolific at youth level. He's got a chance.

 

Lo and behold he has two goals this season in two PL starts. Playing under pressure as well, a whole new level of pressure. He won us the points on Saturday. Not bad.

 

If you look back over the RLC thread you'll see so many posters writing off Ruben. It's incredible. He was captain of a youth team that swept all before them. He was easily our best youth player of that crop. He was clearly a special talent. People are so intolerant and impatient that they don't even afford a young player breaking through a period of adaptation. All we heard was that Ruben was lazy, or casual, or lacked stamina. We heard he wasn't good enough, time and time again. Go back and read that thread. It makes proper fools of people. They said he'll never make it here.

 

Maybe, just maybe, the PL is tough, maybe, just maybe, it's a huge step up. Maybe, just maybe, a young player needs to find his feet. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be so quick to judge. We had people on here writing off Tomori because he didn't exactly dazzle in a pre-season game. It's completely ridiculous.

 

By all means discuss their performances, but remember they're young and try and reserve judgement a little bit. With any luck we'll see Reece James, Tomori and Callum get significant minutes this season. Half our team could be academy graduates. We should all be bloody excited, and proud. Instead people won't even allow these kids a chance. It's embarrassing.

7 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

By all means discuss their performances, but remember they're young and try and reserve judgement a little bit. With any luck we'll see Reece James, Tomori and Callum get significant minutes this season. Half our team could be academy graduates. We should all be bloody excited, and proud. Instead people won't even allow these kids a chance. It's embarrassing.

That would be amazing if it turned out that way.

29 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

I have no idea if Tammy will be good enough to be our front-line striker for years to come. What I do know however is that people have written him off prematurely, not just this season but for last season and the season before that as well. I have argued with these people, not because I necessarily believe Tammy will make it but because I know it's far too early to tell. He's 21. He has an incredible record in the Championship and he was prolific at youth level. He's got a chance.

 

Lo and behold he has two goals this season in two PL starts. Playing under pressure as well, a whole new level of pressure. He won us the points on Saturday. Not bad.

 

If you look back over the RLC thread you'll see so many posters writing off Ruben. It's incredible. He was captain of a youth team that swept all before them. He was easily our best youth player of that crop. He was clearly a special talent. People are so intolerant and impatient that they don't even afford a young player breaking through a period of adaptation. All we heard was that Ruben was lazy, or casual, or lacked stamina. We heard he wasn't good enough, time and time again. Go back and read that thread. It makes proper fools of people. They said he'll never make it here.

 

Maybe, just maybe, the PL is tough, maybe, just maybe, it's a huge step up. Maybe, just maybe, a young player needs to find his feet. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be so quick to judge. We had people on here writing off Tomori because he didn't exactly dazzle in a pre-season game. It's completely ridiculous.

 

By all means discuss their performances, but remember they're young and try and reserve judgement a little bit. With any luck we'll see Reece James, Tomori and Callum get significant minutes this season. Half our team could be academy graduates. We should all be bloody excited, and proud. Instead people won't even allow these kids a chance. It's embarrassing.

Sums up my feelings exactly DB!

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by DannyVblue

2 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

I have no idea if Tammy will be good enough to be our front-line striker for years to come. What I do know however is that people have written him off prematurely, not just this season but for last season and the season before that as well. I have argued with these people, not because I necessarily believe Tammy will make it but because I know it's far too early to tell. He's 21. He has an incredible record in the Championship and he was prolific at youth level. He's got a chance.

Lo and behold he has two goals this season in two PL starts. Playing under pressure as well, a whole new level of pressure. He won us the points on Saturday. Not bad.

If you look back over the RLC thread you'll see so many posters writing off Ruben. It's incredible. He was captain of a youth team that swept all before them. He was easily our best youth player of that crop. He was clearly a special talent. People are so intolerant and impatient that they don't even afford a young player breaking through a period of adaptation. All we heard was that Ruben was lazy, or casual, or lacked stamina. We heard he wasn't good enough, time and time again. Go back and read that thread. It makes proper fools of people. They said he'll never make it here.

Even at a young age you should be able to identify who has a chance of making it and who doesn't (and if we can't the coaches should). For example it was pretty clear to anyone that watched him that Patrick Bamford was never going be a PL quality player, something which he spectacularly proved once he played at level. Tammy i have always felt has a chance of making it at PL level infact ironically i see him a similar way i saw Lukaku at the same age, defiently has quality that if fine tuned further could be a real real asset however i think it would be more on a squad player capacity, which there is nothing wrong with, I've said for years we need to use our academy to bloat our squad up instead of the market, it was in my opinion one of the main reasons Fergie was so successful (HG local lads will more than likely choose squad player status at the top club they love as opposed to dropping to midtable for more game time).

Now onto Ruben as i feel the need to respond to this as i'm one of those 'fools'. I stand by what i said back then, i didn't feel he impacted games enough, he would often have one or two outstanding burst's in a match then almost settle as to say "my work is done". However last season after about November things changed. It was when i went to the PAOK game i noticed a big difference, he was doing the simple things more effectively, he was showing for the ball, positioning himself better of it and taking more responsiblity, no hat trick like there was vs Bate but i came out of The Bridge more satisfied with him that night than the one he took the match ball. Sarri i think was in agreement, because it was around that time he was given more responsiblity in league matches, starting at Molineaux aswell as being trusted to come on to help see out narrow leads vs Fulham and City. Then he took it up a level after returning from injury whereas come the end i was starting to wonder if he may be our new talisman with Hazard going, without the injury and Sarri staying he may just well have been.

What i said a lot circa 15-18 is i love the idea of Loftus-Cheek but the reality isn't adding up as well, at the end of last season it started to (add up) and you'd be hard pressed to find a happier man than me, if Tammy can stick my words down my throat and become our Harry Kane then same again i'd eat the humble pie with a massive smile on my face. 

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by Argo

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Even at a young age you should be able to identify who has a chance of making it and who doesn't (and if we can't the coaches should). For example it was pretty clear to anyone that watched him that Patrick Bamford was never going be a PL quality player, something which he spectacularly proved once he played at level. Tammy i have always felt has a chance of making it at PL level infact ironically i see him a similar way i saw Lukaku at the same age, defiently has quality that if fine tuned further could be a real real asset however i think it would be more on a squad player capacity, which there is nothing wrong with, I've said for years we need to use our academy to bloat our squad up instead of the market, it was in my opinion one of the main reasons Fergie was so successful (HG local lads will more than likely choose squad player status at the top club they love as opposed to dropping to midtable for more game time).

Now onto Ruben as i feel the need to respond to this as i'm one of those 'fools'. I stand by what i said back then, i didn't feel he impacted games enough, he would often have one or two outstanding burst's in a match then almost settle as to say "my work is done". However last season after about November things changed. It was when i went to the PAOK game i noticed a big difference, he was doing the simple things more effectively, he was showing for the ball, positioning himself better of it and taking more responsiblity, no hat trick like there was vs Bate but i came out of The Bridge more satisfied with him that night than the one he took the match ball. Sarri i think was in agreement, because it was around that time he was given more responsiblity in league matches, starting at Molineaux aswell as being trusted to come on to help see out narrow leads vs Fulham and City. Then he took it up a level after returning from injury whereas come the end i was starting to wonder if he may be our new talisman with Hazard going, without the injury and Sarri staying he may just well have been.

What i said a lot circa 15-18 is i love the idea of Loftus-Cheek but the reality isn't adding up as well, at the end of last season it started to (add up) and you'd be hard pressed to find a happier man than me, if Tammy can stick my words down my throat and become our Harry Kane then same again i'd eat the humble pie with a massive smile on my face. 

 

I consider you to be a good poster and a knowledgeable one but Ruben improved at Palace, where he got games. It's as simple as that. A young player can only develop if they play. He hardly played at Chelsea at all prior to his loan, hence any judgement prior to his loan was ridiculous on your part, for it was way too soon, given his inexperience and age. Totally ridiculous, and you weren't the only one.

 

The PL is a massive step up. Like, huge. At Palace he played, and he grew. You can't expect a young player to be the full package immediately. We have to show a degree of understanding.

 

Sarri has nothing to do with it. In fact he criminally underused Ruben, as he did Callum. Once Ruben started getting games last season, what happened? He impressed, big time. It's that simple. He needs games. All season long I said play him. I said play Callum. Many of us did. Sarri eventually saw sense but that didn't vindicate him, that vindicated us, the fans who were imploring him to play them.

 

Sarri had absolutely no interest in youth, or nurturing, or the long-term interests of our club, like many before him, sadly. Finally we've got someone who does, and I'm bloody happy about it. I want to see the kids. This is a fantastic group of kids. I want them to get a chance, and I understand that there will be teething troubles, because they're babies. I'm not expecting anything in terms of league position or trophies. Let's just cherish watching them play. Let's just rejoice in it.

 

Funny that you mention Kane. I don't expect Tammy to be as good as Kane for the simple reason that very few young strikers will prove that good, because Kane is one of the best in the world, but he was given a chance at Spurs, and nobody could have foreseen how good he'd be, given his start at Spurs and his initial loan, at Millwall. Nobody was talking about him as a future superstar. It isn't always obvious. What is obvious, is that young players need nurturing, and fans need to show patience before rushing to judgement.

 

Tammy always had a chance. Those that wrote him off were being ridiculous, and infuriating. They show absolutely no understanding of the game.

On 28/08/2019 at 20:03, Davey Baby said:

 

Tammy always had a chance. Those that wrote him off were being ridiculous, and infuriating. They show absolutely no understanding of the game.

Wise words Davey.

Looks like Tammy just needed someone to show a bit of faith in him. Let's hope there is no stopping the lad now he's getting going.

Time for some people to eat a little crow. 

254 minutes played in the PL ... 4 goals ... what a great start !

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

Wise words Davey.

Looks like Tammy just needed someone to show a bit of faith in him. Let's hope there is no stopping the lad now he's getting going.

I always felt he had a chance. The one thing a striker needs is an ability to put away a chance. Tammy has that. 

What I am really impressed with him is how I think he has improved in the 4 games. He looked stronger today than against united. Holding up the ball. That might be confidence, or getting used to the league, but it's impressive. 

Tammy has never had a problem scoring against lesser teams. I want to see him doing it against the bigger teams before i see him as the answer to our striker problems.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Tammy has never had a problem scoring against lesser teams. I want to see him doing it against the bigger teams before i see him as the answer to our striker problems.

I don't see him as THE answer just yet, but I see him as part of the solution.

We have enough lesser teams on the schedule during the course of a season, that i'm thrilled if he keeps banging them in against them.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Tammy has never had a problem scoring against lesser teams. I want to see him doing it against the bigger teams before i see him as the answer to our striker problems.

If he scores zero goals against the top five home/away, but manages to score twice each game against the other 14 teams home/away, he'll win the golden boot. 

He’s currently 4th in the PL top scores by virtue of playing less minutes the everyone else with 4 goals. 

Well played today Tammy. Link up play is getting better too.

17 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Tammy has never had a problem scoring against lesser teams. I want to see him doing it against the bigger teams before i see him as the answer to our striker problems.

Well TBH a good chunk of a striker's job is to put away weaker opposition. If you can't do that consistently, you'll struggle to score too many, at least in the league. That, and your side will leave quite a few points on the pitch. 

I'm not 100% convinced that he'll work out at the highest level either, but he's done everything that can reasonably be expected of him so far. His movement and link-up play have been pretty good, he's definitely has the instincts of a predator (witness him pouncing on sloppy defending for both goals against Sheffield United) and his finishing has been quite clinical, including from outside the box. Even his aerial play hasn't been too bad (his header leading up to the first goal was on target).  

He’s one goal shy of catching our powerhouse striker from last season - Higuain. 

9 hours ago, Munkworth said:

He’s one goal shy of catching our powerhouse striker from last season - Higuain. 

Yeah and many here felt Higuain could only be judged here after another full season, but 4 games in they are criticising our own youth product.

The reality is in 2-3yrs there is going to be a dearth of forwards in football as the majority of the top players wind down their careers. Your Aguero’s, Benzema’s, Suarez, Aubameyang’s, Lewandowski’s, and Cavani’s are all in their 30s. Below that you have your Lacazette’s & Firmino’s at 28yrs old then Harry Kane. Forwards are going to be sold at ridiculous prices judging by how much wingers & second strikers are going for now, and looking around the only quality ones in the next generation are Jovic at Madrid & Werner who seems hellbent on going to Bayern.

I would invest time and effort into Tammy to see if he can make a step up, as long term looking around Europe I can’t think of a solution. Maybe your Joelinton or Haller might rip up the PL and be an option.

On 31/08/2019 at 22:12, coco said:

If he scores zero goals against the top five home/away, but manages to score twice each game against the other 14 teams home/away, he'll win the golden boot. 

Rather win the league than have a striker winning golden boot.

51 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Rather win the league than have a striker winning golden boot.

I know what you're saying, he does have to get some goals against the top 6, for us to achieve the top 6. it's ten games out of 38, almost 25% of our season, so we need results against them too.

If i said to you at the start of the season Tammy would score 25-30 goals, but none against city, lvpool, spuds, ars, man u. Would you have been happy ?