On 11/1/2017 at 19:36, charierre said:

Jose in court in Spain on Friday for tax evasion, disrupting preparations for the game on Sunday. Send the facker down...at least till Monday.

He's probably secretly delighted because it gives him a ready-made excuse in case of defeat. The kind of excuse he will mention flippantly and then follow it with "but I don't make excuses". You watch if we beat them, 100% guaranteed.

Saw this on Redcafe:

Since January 2015, Jose Mourinho has led his teams into nine away games against other members of the Premier League’s so-called big six. Mourinho’s team has scored in only one of them. Of Mourinho’s last nine away games against top-six sides, five have finished goalless

 

I'm encouraged! 

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He said: "I think it's my fault because I should cry every week about our injuries.

"I think any other manager would be speaking about Pogba every day - 'Oh I don't have Pogba, oh when I have Pogba, oh 10 matches without Pogba, oh all the Champions League group phase without Pogba, oh all the big matches against Liverpool, against Chelsea, against Spurs without Pogba'. I don't speak about Pogba one single time. We miss our players of course and we had to play big matches without them, and probably we are going to play one more without them again."

He doesn't complain about injuries though. He only constantly mentions them when pointing out that he never complains about them. 

Genius 

So glad we took all 3 points today. If Utd had won or even managed a draw, I feel sure there would have been some largely absent forum members back on here today,, too ready to post about a "Mourinho Masterclass".

Just feel he is being found out in the modern game. If Utd had managed to grab something late on it would have come through the long ball. He is obsessed with filling his sides with big units. On the evidence of today and hearing the displeasure of many Utd fans, can't see Mourinho being at Utd long-term.

I understand people dislike Mourinho these days, but I'm still very fond of him despite the snide comments from him in recent times. It's hard to forget what he achieved with us as managers all those years ago.

In saying that, it's a great feeling that we defeated his Manchester United team again and the fact that it hasn't been smooth sailing for him over there makes it extra satisfying.

1 hour ago, Jezz said:

I understand people dislike Mourinho these days, but I'm still very fond of him despite the snide comments from him in recent times. It's hard to forget what he achieved with us as managers all those years ago.

In saying that, it's a great feeling that we defeated his Manchester United team again and the fact that it hasn't been smooth sailing for him over there makes it extra satisfying.

Agreed. Hate united far more than I like him.

Chequebook Pulis, etc.

11 hours ago, Jezz said:

I understand people dislike Mourinho these days, but I'm still very fond of him despite the snide comments from him in recent times. It's hard to forget what he achieved with us as managers all those years ago.

He is a totally different person these days.

2004 charismatic Jose would tear 2017 miserable Jose to pieces, and took great pleasure while doing so.

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Jose is clueless now IMO. His record in big away games away is absolutely calamitous not just in terms of the result but in terms of performance. He has scored something like 1 goal in 10 games which was a consolation at Spurs. Not only that we struggle to even muster more than a couple of shots on target. Sick of watching on hoping we will hold on because that's all it is. We get absolutely no hope or enjoyment in any part oft he matches. Even lower league sides put up more of a fight than we do at the bigger grounds. Jose seems to carry on playing exactly the same way however despite it clearly not working and I haven't a clue what he says to them at half time because we seem to come out and get even worse.

Not only that though he seems to be utterly clueless when we go behind. He doesn't know how to change it to effect the match. Most of the time with the exception of yesterday which was slightly refreshing he brings on like for like or goes route one. 
The football at the minute is soul destroying. I can deal with losing as long as we are losing whilst putting up a fight. It's the lack of any spirit, positivity that is awful to watch
Then couple with that his constant whining, his digs at fans, his weird obsession with praising the likes of Fellaini yet criticising others such as martial. I mean what was that al about yesterday. Praising Fellaini for what exactly. He stunk the place out when he came on. Could have easily cost us two goals losing it on the edge of the box and passing it straight out of play twice.

Literally I think our only hope of any sort of half decent football this season is if and when Pogba returns.

So similar to what we were saying in 2015 it's scary. Infact swap Fellaini for Ivanovic and "Pogba returns" to "Hazard returns to form" and that could easily be passed up as one of us in 2015.

His stock is falling sharply, especially with City playing great football. 

can't have a Mourinho thread w/out input from Duncan Castles

this guy is such a tool

Don't understand his obsession with the ElbowTree. I mean, to see the day when Marouane Fellaini is expected to be a hero for Man Utd?

5 years ago, people would send you to an asylum for asking that.

14 hours ago, Jezz said:

I understand people dislike Mourinho these days, but I'm still very fond of him despite the snide comments from him in recent times. It's hard to forget what he achieved with us as managers all those years ago.

In saying that, it's a great feeling that we defeated his Manchester United team again and the fact that it hasn't been smooth sailing for him over there makes it extra satisfying.

If he becomes any more of that miserable sod that he is now, I'm afraid it will become very easy to forget his Chelsea achievements. I'll just pretend we became champions without a manager.

2 minutes ago, Valerie said:

If he becomes any more of that miserable sod that he is now, I'm afraid it will become very easy to forget his Chelsea achievements. I'll just pretend we became champions without a manager.

That is how I view the Europa Liga Crown with Telly Tubby at the helm - that trophy will always have an asterisk for me

I think Man U will get fourth this season though with fortune could be 3rd.

Think he realises his squad is not good enough so he is back to using every trick in the book to get results.nd

From Redcafe blog, he thinks he needs another summer's purchases to get a title winning squad.

When he first arrived at CFC he was a refreshing force of nature yet then we did have a great squad compared to our league competitors and when he came back with Costa in the team he said he was satisfied with the squad and we won the league. I still think he is a top manager though no longer the best.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41901025

Manchester United: Jose Mourinho will be told to sell before he can buy in January

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41901025

Manchester United: Jose Mourinho will be told to sell before he can buy in January

lol.

Every week I'm reminded of the players he let go just to bring in players he wants.

De Bruyne and Salah has been very good this season. It's weird how they didn't warrant patience and chances with him.

3 hours ago, Deino said:

De Bruyne and Salah has been very good this season. It's weird how they didn't warrant patience and chances with him.

It's valid to criticises Jose for not giving KDB a chance but Salah was consistently poor for Chelsea. 

1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

It's valid to criticises Jose for not giving KDB a chance but Salah was consistently poor for Chelsea. 

Poor, yes but he was 21-22 back then, not every 22yr old is fully developed so growing pains are inevitable. The least Jose could do was give him time when similarly in that timeframe Oscar was nearly untouchable. Ofc, we offloaded him and brought in Cuadrado almost a like for like replacement.

Ofc this is all in hindsight and post-RM Jose isn't really a good manager for developing a young talent, he just gets ready made players as evidenced by Matic, Cesc, Costa and Cuadrado.

Actually, now that I think about it, has Jose ever been a good spotter of talent after his RM tenure? It was always picking a player to suit his 4231 instead of really assessing what he had on hand. I could be wrong on this though.

 

Edited November 7, 20178 yr by Deino

I thought it was weird Mourinho looking so relaxed on Sunday and his obsession with shaking our players hands. Shows that he’s lost some of his mind games and it’s all abit old hat now. I’m intrigued to see whether or not he is on a downward curve, it certainly feels like it and he doesn’t seem to be able to motivate a team to get that extra 5% out of them  

Its also obvious how much he and Conte dislike each other. 

I do highly rate Jose Mourinho, I always have, but his United stint looks like his worst managerial career stint so far. He's barely made any progress, with the money he has spent he should have that side playing much better. People keep bringing up Pogba, but that's one player, look at all the other attackers they have and Jose can't utilise them properly. Mikhi is a good player, but he's got no confidence whatsoever playing under Mou. 

They're getting a lot of protection from the BBC & Sky from the Neville's in particular, it's only Carragher who has been grilling them for the product they've produced. I mean you invest 400 million over 2 seasons and they're playing like this? They finished 6th last season for crying out loud. 

I was strongly tipping Jose to win it this season but I'm not so sure, I know it's early days but if missing out on Pogba is that bad then they're not going to overtake the likes of City even if City drop a lot of points later in the season. If Jose was performing like this at Chelsea with the money he's spent you know far well what the narrative would be, from all mainstream pundits & media. I'm not saying he isn't being criticised, he surely is, but to have the likes of top pundits defend him for "attacking" for a change is abysmal, if that's what you call Jose being offensive in a big game then I worry what his defensive set up looks like... Oh, wait no I don't, I've seen it about 20 times. 

11 hours ago, JM7 said:

I thought it was weird Mourinho looking so relaxed on Sunday and his obsession with shaking our players hands. Shows that he’s lost some of his mind games and it’s all abit old hat now. I’m intrigued to see whether or not he is on a downward curve, it certainly feels like it and he doesn’t seem to be able to motivate a team to get that extra 5% out of them  

Its also obvious how much he and Conte dislike each other. 

 

I actually think the opposite. Mourinho s big on psychology and I think he knew exactly what he was doing. Shaking all our players hands before the game - trying to get into their heads and take a bit of the "fight" out of them. 

Thankfully it didn't work!

Iv'e posted it before but worth saying again:

Jose was a revolution to the game in 2003, he was the new kid on the block knocking down the doors of the established hire-achy. He brought with him new Ideas and philosophy. (in actual fact he's not all that different from Clough if you have read clough and Jose's biography they have the same view on a lot of things) and he was definitely special. BUT you could have made the same claim with Wenger once upon a time, and then he got swallowed up because the game moved, some could say Jose swallowed him up :) and the same is happening now to Jose, he's not light years ahead any more, he should still be considered a top manager, if just for his achievements, even last season he proved he know's how to get teams over the line, but it's harder then it was, the competition is tougher and more teams have money

Very simply, Jose doesn't have the ability to coach attacking coherence beyond the basics, and what may emerge from great attackers linking up through their own knowledge of the game. I'm sure he can still be successful but only when he no longer has the pressure to produce "attacking football". I love what Conte, Pep and even Ancelotti, Klopp or Zidane can do to a team. Jose's teams can be exciting going forward through simple attacking but will always lack the complexity of attacking play that these other managers can coach into a side. Several fans crave that complexity nowadays unfortunately for him.

Edited November 8, 20178 yr by ashwin

17 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

It's valid to criticises Jose for not giving KDB a chance but Salah was consistently poor for Chelsea. 

To be fair, apart from one half of one match, KDB was consistently poor for Chelsea, too.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing, ain't it?