31 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Yeah sorry - if you double-click on the image it'll open in a separate tab which allows you to zoom in.

Yea, the fact that CHO is a very good creator isn't a surprised. He is a player in the mould of neymar/ hazard or course not as good but if developed right he can be an absolute monster

 

Think he would benefit from a year on loan, playing a lot more. 

 

If they offer anything over €50m I would personally seriously consider it. I like him as a player but he is still very raw. I would prefer a 1-2 year loan at a decent team in a good league where he plays regularly like Mount did before he got into the first team.

If you look at the rest of our academy kids Callum is one of the few that hasn't been on loan yet and I think he would benefit from one.

1 minute ago, LongtimerLurker said:

If they offer anything over €50m I would personally seriously consider it. I like him as a player but he is still very raw. I would prefer a 1-2 year loan at a decent team in a good league where he plays regularly like Mount did before he got into the first team.

If you look at the rest of our academy kids Callum is one of the few that hasn't been on loan yet and I think he would benefit from one.

Why should we demand €50m for a player we don’t rate though? It’s a bit pointless pricing him out of the market if we won’t develop him. £25m-£30m seems a fair price to me

Just now, ducavis said:

Why should we demand €50m for a player we don’t rate though? It’s a bit pointless pricing him out of the market if we won’t develop him. £25m-£30m seems a fair price to me

I never said we should value him at €50m, I said if they offered that we should seriously consider. If you read what I put I don't necessarily want him to leave permanently and would prefer a loan

Really wouldn't like this, feel he has a breakthrough season in the near future, remember it took Zouma two years to fully recover from his injury.

If Bayern really want him, then surely they would even prefer a loan, where they don't have to fork out an extortionate amount.

Would definitely work in our favour. He could become a superstar over there like the Sanchos, Musiala's of this world, and then we take him back a year later and slot him right back in. Why sell the guy for like £30m, he plays regularly for Bayern, does well which he will, and then we are kicking ourselves. 

 

Hypothetical. 

If Dortmund wanted CHO as part of a deal for Haaland, would you let him leave? 

6 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Hypothetical. 

If Dortmund wanted CHO as part of a deal for Haaland, would you let him leave? 

I would yes. Its easier to find players like Hudson odoi then it is a player like Haaland. Top strikers are so hard to find these days. I dont want CHO sold though, rather he went out on loan.

14 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

I would yes. Its easier to find players like Hudson odoi then it is a player like Haaland. Top strikers are so hard to find these days. I dont want CHO sold though, rather he went out on loan.

My issue is Bayern have been after him for 3 solid years now, surely the club is missing something. I rate him highly and reckon he would turn into a Musiala if we sold him.

15 minutes ago, ducavis said:

My issue is Bayern have been after him for 3 solid years now, surely the club is missing something. I rate him highly and reckon he would turn into a Musiala if we sold him.

Thats the gamble we take though. Hudson Odoi hasn't been great for us. I know he had his bad injury but how long do we use that as an excuse. Lampard and Tuchel both benched him more than they play him.

I wouldnt sell him at all. He just needs to play regularly, and if its not here, he needs to go out on loan. 

I think he has a lot of good qualities, but he is still very raw. It easy to compare him to Mount and James, but both of those players cut their teeth in the senior game on loan. James played nearly as many minutes at Wigan, than what CHO has played in his whole career, mount played nearly double. 

I think he could be world class, but at the moment he isn't. I think if anyone comes in for him with serious intent, then he's gone.

For 50mill yeah I would let him go.

Bayern clearly see something in him and that makes me think we should hold on to him. If you ask me would I sell him after what I’ve seen, yeah I would. But the fact that Bayern have been after him for 3 years running, makes you think Bayern think he’s got it in him.

I’d give him a few more seasons before we even think about selling him. I can understand why now could be a good time though, in case he never reaches his potential.

3 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Bayern clearly see something in him and that makes me think we should hold on to him. If you ask me would I sell him after what I’ve seen, yeah I would. But the fact that Bayern have been after him for 3 years running, makes you think Bayern think he’s got it in him.

I’d give him a few more seasons before we even think about selling him. I can understand why now could be a good time though, in case he never reaches his potential.

He is with Chelsea training there every day. TT will know him in and out. If we keep him, it should be because we see something in him, not because Bayern keep being interested.

What I find interesting is that both Lamps and TT started out playing him a lot (he played a lot in Lamps' first season right after he came back from his big injury) and then gradually started turning to other players more and more, although to my eyes CHO's performances didn't drastically drop. What I read into this is that he is immensely talented (hence them wanting to play him to get the best out of him), but has some flaws that coaches don't seem to like. Maybe he isn't the best trainer, maybe they aren't happy with his attitude or maybe it's his work against the ball they are not happy with (TT alluded to that after taking him off in the game where he brought him on at half time).

I'd like to see him go on loan to get some regular game time, but if Bayern are willing to pay a hefty fee, we should think about selling.

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Bayern clearly see something in him and that makes me think we should hold on to him. If you ask me would I sell him after what I’ve seen, yeah I would. But the fact that Bayern have been after him for 3 years running, makes you think Bayern think he’s got it in him.

I’d give him a few more seasons before we even think about selling him. I can understand why now could be a good time though, in case he never reaches his potential.

Yeah, let’s wait a few more seasons and then realise what we already know now, after all Bayern have been after him for three years already and in that time his improvement has been ??????? Yep, that’ll be it , f**k all !!!!

Listen, it’s not my money so it doesn’t impact on me, but someone at Chelsea bought into this generational talent sh*te with him and awarded him a fantastic contract based upon what ‘might be’ , but he hasn’t produced and from my stand point he won’t, he doesn’t have it in him, he doesn’t even believe it possible imo.

As a winger , he doesn’t take a full back on , one v one , skin him and deliver a goal scoring cross/pass/opportunity and for someone who might get asked to play in a defensive wing back position, he forgets to defend ffs ?!!!!

He doesn’t have what Reece and Mason have , he doesn’t have that fire in his belly, he’s very comfortable on his 5 year contract @ £120,000 a week - Jesus only another almost £19million before I have to re-negotiate my contract.

Let him go to Bayern, put in a buy back and a sell on clause and be done with it, cause he’s not good enough to play for Chelsea , apologies to all of the “ he’s one of our own brigade” but he’s just taking the dough imo and I suspect Frank and TT think so too ?

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

For 50mill yeah I would let him go.

We're apparently already in the talks for signing Haaland and that will cost a whole lot so we don't need any money, we got money. If CHO wants to leave, well that's another aspect to it but we don't need to sell him, he's only 20 years old just watch him become a great player under everyone's noses.

We only have 3 natural wingers so if we lose CHO we would need to spend money on buying a new one, selling CHO for 50m and then buying Sancho for 100m well that's an interesting thought but otherwise no point of selling CHO at all.

He has not done enough to prove he is good enough for the level we are looking for imo. If we could get Comans and CHO goes the other way to Germany then I'd take that. 

16 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

We're apparently already in the talks for signing Haaland and that will cost a whole lot so we don't need any money, we got money. If CHO wants to leave, well that's another aspect to it but we don't need to sell him, he's only 20 years old just watch him become a great player under everyone's noses.

We only have 3 natural wingers so if we lose CHO we would need to spend money on buying a new one, selling CHO for 50m and then buying Sancho for 100m well that's an interesting thought but otherwise no point of selling CHO at all.

Some of our young players will make it, as Mount and James have and am sure Gilmour will. Sometimes we just have to take the sale and add it to the war chest. Like with Tomori and by the looks of it, tammy and CHO.

And to be fair we have never needed to sell anyone since Roman came in. We chose to try and run like a business. So of we are to maintain that sure sales are needed.

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14 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Some of our young players will make it, as Mount and James have and am sure Gilmour will. Sometimes we just have to take the sale and add it to the war chest. Like with Tomori and by the looks of it, tammy and CHO.

Mount had a breakthrough season last year when he was 21, now he's 22 and looking amazing.
James is 21 now and just had a good season but last year when we didn't play with the back 3 most of the time, he was more exposed defensively.

CHO is just 20 years old, scored against Man City in the league (something that Werner couldn't do in more than 325minutes played this season) and scored a good goal in the CL group stage vs Rennes.

Imagine if we had sold Mount at 20-21 years old? 

Edited June 9, 20215 yr by Gol15

21 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Mount had a breakthrough season last year when he was 21, now he's 22 and looking amazing.
James is 21 now and just had a good season but last year when we didn't play with the back 3 most of the time, he was more exposed defensively.

CHO is just 20 years old, scored against Man City in the league (something that Werner couldn't do in more than 325minutes played this season) and scored a good goal in the CL group stage vs Rennes.

Imagine if we had sold Mount at 20-21 years old? 

Will see what TT decides. Could be another KdB or just another Dominic Solanke

Mount, even last season or with Derby, showed far more promise than CHO has so far. MM has routinely taken responsibility in games, scored important goals, brings in incredible energy. Which is why unlike CHO, both Lamps and Tuchel have played him in every game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. CHO is a good player with good potential but doesn't have that X factor to make it with us. Good pace and dribbling ability but very poor shooting technique and ordinary vision.

He may do well with Bayern but I really doubt he is going to turn into a WC player suddenly. If he wants to go for 1st team football, I'll be happy to sell him.

3 hours ago, ashwin said:

Mount, even last season or with Derby, showed far more promise than CHO has so far. MM has routinely taken responsibility in games, scored important goals, brings in incredible energy. Which is why unlike CHO, both Lamps and Tuchel have played him in every game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. CHO is a good player with good potential but doesn't have that X factor to make it with us. Good pace and dribbling ability but very poor shooting technique and ordinary vision.

He may do well with Bayern but I really doubt he is going to turn into a WC player suddenly. If he wants to go for 1st team football, I'll be happy to sell him.

I think what separates Mount and CHO is attitude. Mount gives his all without the ball making him a great fit for our team regardless of his attacking outlet. CHO sadly doesn't really seem to work off the ball. That's fine if you have great attacking output but he doesn't. I suspect the knee injury ruined his x factor.

My preference would be to keep him because I think he fills the HG criteria and will grow to be better. For me it remains a test. The standard now will go up. The test for CHO is whether he can drive himself to a higher standard to compete or whether he is happy to take his pay check and get sold to West Ham et al in a couple of seasons